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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:53 am

The poll seems to have said lets do this
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:57 am

sailorseal wrote:The poll seems to have said lets do this

Because anyone pays much attention to polls? Half the people that vote in them do not take the time to read much more than the title.
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:02 am

The Neon Peon wrote:
sailorseal wrote:The poll seems to have said lets do this

Because anyone pays much attention to polls? Half the people that vote in them do not take the time to read much more than the title.

Well in this case the title says it all
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:12 am

1. Separating ranked and unranked games... that defeats the purpose of rank. Rank is how good you are at playing the game. If you separate that, then people will only play on 1 single type of game for rank, and then play all other games as unranked. Right now, if I choose to specialize that much, I give up 99% of the good things about the site. If this suggestion comes through, specialists will be giving up absolutely nothing.

2. If you care so much about score that you do not join some games because you do not want to lose your points, then you have to really rethink a lot of things. If you want to join a game with a friend, go ahead. If you want to join a flat rate 2 man doodle and a cook has started one, you might as well find enjoyment in CC and play it rather than stick to one game type.

3. Unranked games will cause a lot of problems.

Firstly there is the problem of freemium members (not all, but some is enough). You have only 4 games that you can play... you join some unranked games, and every time you no longer have a chance, you simply suicide into the player you like least and then you can play another game. Would be fun to be that other player, Wouldn't it?

Secondly, not all the people on the site are, well... nice. In unranked games, if I don't like you, all I have to do is join your game, throw the game by attacking only you the entire match, resulting in an unpleasant experience for you, and no cost for me. There are a lot of people that do not like someone else on the site, and a heck of a lot of do this since they accomplish their goal of giving you a bad time yet do not lose their points and become cooks like they would these days.

I am not saying that people would stop playing to win, no doubt many people would continue to do so. But even if this is a minority that you encounter every 1 in 20 games, do you think you'll have much fun having someone like I just described above do that to you that often?
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby blakebowling on Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:22 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:1. Separating ranked and unranked games... that defeats the purpose of rank. Rank is how good you are at playing the game. If you separate that, then people will only play on 1 single type of game for rank, and then play all other games as unranked. Right now, if I choose to specialize that much, I give up 99% of the good things about the site. If this suggestion comes through, specialists will be giving up absolutely nothing.

Exactly what neon said, Rank is supposed to be a measure of skill, it's not like betting in a poker game.
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby Bones2484 on Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:02 pm

Wait, I thought ALL games are just for fun?

Am I doing something wrong here?
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:21 pm

Bones2484 wrote:Wait, I thought ALL games are just for fun?

Am I doing something wrong here?

Just read the first page
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby Bones2484 on Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:16 pm

sailorseal wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:Wait, I thought ALL games are just for fun?

Am I doing something wrong here?

Just read the first page


Ok.

Wait, I thought ALL games are just for fun?

Am I doing something wrong here?
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby Joodoo on Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:18 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
sailorseal wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:Wait, I thought ALL games are just for fun?

Am I doing something wrong here?

Just read the first page


Ok.

Wait, I thought ALL games are just for fun?

Am I doing something wrong here?


:lol:
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:24 pm

The community voted yes, lets see this happen
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:30 pm

sailorseal wrote:The community voted yes, lets see this happen

Might I also mention that you have not managed to come up with a reply to any of the problems I pointed out.
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:32 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:
sailorseal wrote:The community voted yes, lets see this happen

Might I also mention that you have not managed to come up with a reply to any of the problems I pointed out.

Alright name the problems lets see what I say
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:33 pm

sailorseal wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:
sailorseal wrote:The community voted yes, lets see this happen

Might I also mention that you have not managed to come up with a reply to any of the problems I pointed out.

Alright name the problems lets see what I say

Why don't you read your own thread?
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:39 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:
sailorseal wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:
sailorseal wrote:The community voted yes, lets see this happen

Might I also mention that you have not managed to come up with a reply to any of the problems I pointed out.

Alright name the problems lets see what I say

Why don't you read your own thread?

Went through the whole thing you only tell em to improve my search skills and that you are not a farmer
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:44 pm

sailorseal wrote:Went through the whole thing you only tell em to improve my search skills and that you are not a farmer

Can you please write a more coherent response? I do not understand what you are saying at all.
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:46 pm

I read this thread from start to finish. Your "comments" were only regarding farming and my search skills. No suggestions for the suggestion
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:59 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:1. Separating ranked and unranked games... that defeats the purpose of rank. Rank is how good you are at playing the game. If you separate that, then people will only play on 1 single type of game for rank, and then play all other games as unranked. Right now, if I choose to specialize that much, I give up 99% of the good things about the site. If this suggestion comes through, specialists will be giving up absolutely nothing.

2. If you care so much about score that you do not join some games because you do not want to lose your points, then you have to really rethink a lot of things. If you want to join a game with a friend, go ahead. If you want to join a flat rate 2 man doodle and a cook has started one, you might as well find enjoyment in CC and play it rather than stick to one game type.

3. Unranked games will cause a lot of problems.

Firstly there is the problem of freemium members (not all, but some is enough). You have only 4 games that you can play... you join some unranked games, and every time you no longer have a chance, you simply suicide into the player you like least and then you can play another game. Would be fun to be that other player, Wouldn't it?

Secondly, not all the people on the site are, well... nice. In unranked games, if I don't like you, all I have to do is join your game, throw the game by attacking only you the entire match, resulting in an unpleasant experience for you, and no cost for me. There are a lot of people that do not like someone else on the site, and a heck of a lot of do this since they accomplish their goal of giving you a bad time yet do not lose their points and become cooks like they would these days.

I am not saying that people would stop playing to win, no doubt many people would continue to do so. But even if this is a minority that you encounter every 1 in 20 games, do you think you'll have much fun having someone like I just described above do that to you that often?

Obviously, my comments on your search skills were correct.

The page right before this, all you had to do was scroll up to find this post. I would think that These are comments pointing out problems in the suggestion. I don't seem to find anything in them to do with farming.
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby sailorseal on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:13 pm

I don't see how this gives me anything to change
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:14 pm

sailorseal wrote:I don't see how this gives me anything to change

Exactly. If you can't come up with a solution, or some else does not, then these are still serious problems with the suggestion.
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Re: Just for Fun Games

Postby john9blue on Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:37 am

The Neon Peon wrote:1. Separating ranked and unranked games... that defeats the purpose of rank. Rank is how good you are at playing the game. If you separate that, then people will only play on 1 single type of game for rank, and then play all other games as unranked. Right now, if I choose to specialize that much, I give up 99% of the good things about the site. If this suggestion comes through, specialists will be giving up absolutely nothing.


Most top players already specialize in one game type. People have fun when they win, and lots of people only play game types that they can win. They don't care about the "99%" right now, and they won't when unranked games come out, either. In fact, people could find that they are good at other types of games, and start playing even more.

The Neon Peon wrote:2. If you care so much about score that you do not join some games because you do not want to lose your points, then you have to really rethink a lot of things. If you want to join a game with a friend, go ahead. If you want to join a flat rate 2 man doodle and a cook has started one, you might as well find enjoyment in CC and play it rather than stick to one game type.


Like I said, some people have fun when they win and when their score is high. They don't have to "rethink" anything. Maybe you find losing to a cook who gets a mixed set on Doodle Earth fun, but most of us don't.

The Neon Peon wrote:3. Unranked games will cause a lot of problems.

Firstly there is the problem of freemium members (not all, but some is enough). You have only 4 games that you can play... you join some unranked games, and every time you no longer have a chance, you simply suicide into the player you like least and then you can play another game. Would be fun to be that other player, Wouldn't it?


Some freemiums do that now... what's your point? Or did you just fail to realize that?

The Neon Peon wrote:Secondly, not all the people on the site are, well... nice. In unranked games, if I don't like you, all I have to do is join your game, throw the game by attacking only you the entire match, resulting in an unpleasant experience for you, and no cost for me. There are a lot of people that do not like someone else on the site, and a heck of a lot of do this since they accomplish their goal of giving you a bad time yet do not lose their points and become cooks like they would these days.


Then you foe 'em.

The Neon Peon wrote:I am not saying that people would stop playing to win, no doubt many people would continue to do so. But even if this is a minority that you encounter every 1 in 20 games, do you think you'll have much fun having someone like I just described above do that to you that often?


Nope. The probability would be lower if you use the foe list. They're wasting their time, too. :lol:
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how about unrated games

Postby dyrtydog on Sat May 23, 2009 6:18 pm

for training purpsoses? i realize unrated games may create more games, but so what? Im sure the new server can handle it. It might also create more paid members....

I suggest a check box to make games rated or not
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Practice games

Postby Fingaz10 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:34 am

I was thinking....since i have alot of people that i play regurarly with...some way higher levels some way lower....that having an option to set a game to "practice" where no points are at stake and we can larn maps...try strategies etc.

without having to worry about ranks and what not....
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Re: Practice games

Postby Strife on Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:46 am

Two things:
First, use the form, don't just delete it. It's there for a reason.
Second, use the search button, it has been suggested and rejected.
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Re: Practice games

Postby Sun Su on Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:33 am

You found a way to practice and try new things without risking ending up as a potato peeler... I think it's a really good idea...

PS - Erick I'd play you more often because I enjoy it... but from 6 pts away from the swords I'm still struggling in this bad losing spiral... and we both know my stats against you where I lose 2/3 of the games... but we're on the way to make a good team playing together.
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Re: Practice games

Postby campbell555 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:55 am

=D> I'm all in for a practice game, that is a great way to learn new game without losing points. I'm for it. campbell555
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