magiiiiiic multi or newbie farmer [Warned]

[jazzyd]

Accused:

magiiiiiic



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Other: newbie farming



Game number(s):

4287004
4286994
4286993
4286943
4286600
4283357
4282446
4282443
plus others


Comments:
this guy is either setting up multi accounts to gain points or is a newbie farmer,in his last 12 games 8 are with newbies plus more before that,i read lackattack's thread about newbie farming on 01/01/09 and how its not cool and now forbidden.

[demonfork]

Accused:

magiiiiiic



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Other: newbie farming



Game number(s):

4287004
4286994
4286993
4286943
4286600
4283357
4282446
4282443
plus others


Comments:
this guy is either setting up multi accounts to gain points or is a newbie farmer,in his last 12 games 8 are with newbies plus more before that,i read lackattack's thread about newbie farming on 01/01/09 and how its not cool and now forbidden.

Dude there is nothing wrong with the games that this guy has joined, he has done absolutely nothing wrong!

seriously get a clue, the announcement that lack made was to end the "systematic targeting of new recruits".....

"This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits."

Out of his last 400+ games, he has played against 35-40 new recruits. Do you consider this to be systematic targeting?

God damn I don't know why it's so difficult for some of the people on this site to get this concept through their heads!

[simplesim]

if you care to look dick you will see that just in the last 12 games 8 are with newbies now thats a high percentage to me,whats the matter is he a friend of yours or does the thread make you uncomfortable because its what you like doing when you need some points

[simplesim]

if you care to look dick you will see that just in the last 12 games 8 are with newbies now thats a high percentage to me,whats the matter is he a friend of yours or does the thread make you uncomfortable because its what you like doing when you need some points.now maybe your maths is not great but that equates to 66% of his newest 12 games with newbies,do you not think thats unuasually high if not systematically targeting

[cowboyz]

if you care to look dick you will see that just in the last 12 games 8 are with newbies now thats a high percentage to me,whats the matter is he a friend of yours or does the thread make you uncomfortable because its what you like doing when you need some points.now maybe your maths is not great but that equates to 66% of his newest 12 games with newbies,do you not think thats unuasually high if not systematically targeting

Banned for being a noob

[jazzyd]

in response demonfork if you look at just his last page which has a hundred games on i would say that 50% of the games are with newbies at the time of the game,now that to me seems like he is targeting newbies.
i think you need to get real and get a clue,the lights are on but i dont think anyones at home!!

[AAFitz]

i think its safe to say he will get a warning for this... in his last 11 games, most are ?'s and only one has played more than 20 games. And you dont have to scroll too far to find more...

Jazz, you need to use the links on these though... if you highlight the game number, and click game, it makes it easier...also on the player you can do the same thing....

In this case though, looking at the games played is really the best way to see it.

[hundredand1aces]

I say if he paid for preimum then he has the right to join whatever game he wishes, so long as its not private and he guessed the pw.

Just my 2 cents................

[AAFitz]

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73745&hilit=noob+farming

Well, as it turns out he doesnt. Management posted the rule that targeting new players wont be tolerated, because it ruins the experience for the new player, and makes the scoring system a joke, and most of the community applauded it. Once in a while is fine, but he is targeting new players for easy points, and probably in the hopes they dont even finish. Its the definition of noob farming.

A few games here and there is fine, i even do that occasionally...but 10 out of 11, plus the rest that he joined, is clearly him trying to take advantage of people on their first day or days.

At the same time, I doubt very much he even knows its against the rules, and its fairly obvious you dont either, so im sure it will just be a warning unless of course hes been warned before

[jazzyd]

fitz i dont get your thread,its fairly obvious i dont either?
i posted the topic after i read lacks thread and if you look at my games i have not played with a lot of newbies,please explain

[AAFitz]

I was talking to the guy that posted before me who posted that he thought it was ok for him to join whatever games he wanted.
I suppose i should have quoted him.. But its fairly clear im supporting you on this. But as I said, im sure the guy just doesnt even know about the rule. If he wasnt warned before, im sure thats all he needs. I would not at all be surprised to see him post an apology, and that he had no idea this was against the new policy.

for you I was just suggesting the links for the player and the games so its easier for people to actually look at them

[cowboyz]

He isn't playing strange map that noobs won't know. He isn't mass sending pm's.
Also...if you have a high rank, you risk a lot of points playing lower ranked players. If he wants to play lower ranks there shouldn't be anything wrong with it.
The site mechanics allow him to play vs a "?" ranked player, so he should be able to. If no one is allowed to play the new players...who will they play against?
They guy paid his money. If he is not allowed to play who he chooses, CC is getting a little bit too Nazi for me.

[AAFitz]

Everyone can play the new player. Its the systematic targeting of them, which is what makes this wrong, and why the rule was put into place. The nazi's tried to exterminate a race by the way. This rule is actually set up to keep people from taking advantage of other players. If anything, protecting the weak is anti-nazi. You need to work on your terminology a bit.

Also, paying $25 does not mean he gets to break the rules. And this is just a suggestion that he might be doing that.

[jazzyd]

thanks for that fitz,have taken on board what you said,it was only my second or third thread but will in future put in the links.

[cowboyz]

Everyone can play the new player. Its the systematic targeting of them, which is what makes this wrong, and why the rule was put into place. The nazi's tried to exterminate a race by the way. This rule is actually set up to keep people from taking advantage of other players. If anything, protecting the weak is anti-nazi. You need to work on your terminology a bit.

Also, paying $25 does not mean he gets to break the rules. And this is just a suggestion that he might be doing that.

"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options

Those arent exactly difficult game options. And if you want to have a discussion about Nazi's, please leave it out of this thread.

[AAFitz]

Everyone can play the new player. Its the systematic targeting of them, which is what makes this wrong, and why the rule was put into place. The nazi's tried to exterminate a race by the way. This rule is actually set up to keep people from taking advantage of other players. If anything, protecting the weak is anti-nazi. You need to work on your terminology a bit.

Also, paying $25 does not mean he gets to break the rules. And this is just a suggestion that he might be doing that.

"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options

Those arent exactly difficult game options. And if you want to have a discussion about Nazi's, please leave it out of this thread.

You suggested that CC was nazi not me. I fully agree the word has no purpose in a thread like this.

As far as the difficult settings, that's arguable. What is clear, is that he is newbie farming. The extent to which it is against the rules is arguable perhaps too, and the warning im sure will let him know, but it is fairly clear this is the exact type of behavior that lack and a great majority of CC wants to see stopped.

To say he isnt trying to take advantage of new players and that hes just looking for a fun game, is laughable. Its farming at its most basic level, which of course is obvious. The fact that you dont think there's anything wrong with it has been noted.

[demonfork]

"systematic targeting of new recruits"

sys⋅tem⋅at⋅ic
   /ˌsɪstəˈmætɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sis-tuh-mat-ik] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. having, showing, or involving a system, method, or plan: a systematic course of reading; systematic efforts.

This is really not that difficult here, magiiiiiiiic does not have a system, method or plan for targeting new recruits.

He does not send out mass pm's containing passwords to already set-up private games.

The vast majority of his opponents are ranked players.

It is so obvious that the spirit of lacks resolution was not meant to include the playing habits of members like Magiiiiiic.

If magiiiiiic so much as gets a warning for this, I will not buy anymore premiums for other players, I will not renew my premium and I will no longer recommend this site to my friends/associates.

[Timminz]

magiiiiiiiic does not have a system, method or plan for targeting new recruits.

I would consider "consistently joining 2 player games started by new recruits" to be a system, or method.

[demonfork]

magiiiiiiiic does not have a system, method or plan for targeting new recruits.

I would consider "consistently joining 2 player games started by new recruits" to be a system, or method.

con·sis·tent

2 a: marked by harmony, regularity, or steady continuity : free from variation or contradiction <a consistent style in painting> b: marked by agreement : compatible —usually used with with<statements not consistent with the truth> c: showing steady conformity to character, profession, belief, or custom <a consistent patriot>


consistent = "free from variation"

I think if anyone were to look at Magiiiiiiics games they would find a great deal of variety in the rankings of his opponents.

[AAFitz]

His "system" is looking for a brand new player, and joining the game, repetitively. His system to fit your definition, is that he hits join game, looks for new recruit, than joins game. He does this repeatedly, and with obvious reason and purpose, which makes it systemic. It is fair to assume, he is looking to take advantage of the player that has only played 1 to 5 games. Or perhaps he is just magiiiiically appearing in these games with brand new players in some amazing coincidence in 90% of his recent games?

All that anyone is going to say, is magiiiiic, be careful, if you keep targeting new recruits, it could be considered against the rules, and there could be consequences. But instead, people are defending what was clearly meant to be stopped by the rule, and people are going so far as to throw out ultimatums, if someone is actually informed of this.

In just the last few days, this guy has joined, 18 players, that are still new recruits, and at least 10 that are under 20 games, and even more that are in the 30 game range, and as mentioned, the last 9 out of 10 were brand new players. Many, he even joined two of their games. This does not happen accidentally. Hes clearly just trying to snag as many new players as he can. The fact that some dont think its wrong, doesnt mean thats not exactly what he's doing.

Also, plenty of those maps he joined could be considered difficult

[Skiman]

Without question, FREESTYLE is a difficult game option. Not only is it tricky the master the strategy - it's much different than the boardgame (for example, you can take and hold big bonuses by playing quickly last), magiiiiic probably has clickable maps and is almost certainly playing against guys without them, and he knows the region names and while they are looking just trying to figure out the name of the region they want to attack, he's rolling over them. It's not even a fair fight.

The easiest way to get points on this site is too play freestyle games against newbies. For newbie, freestyle is a difficult game option

[AAFitz]

I think if anyone were to look at Magiiiiiiics games they would find a great deal of variety in the rankings of his opponents.

Perhaps you should look at his page of games, and see how much variety there actually is. The ranks of is opponents, especially in the games he joined, are almost all cooks or one stripers...those that have finished their 5 games that is...18 of those are still question marks...that is pretty consistent I would say. The fact that he plays a few other games mixed in, doesnt hide the fact of what hes doing...and all of those low ranks that he has played, has been in just the last week or so.

[lancehoch]

We are currently looking into this matter. Please have patience.

[demonfork]

I think if anyone were to look at Magiiiiiiics games they would find a great deal of variety in the rankings of his opponents.

Perhaps you should look at his page of games, and see how much variety there actually is. The ranks of is opponents, especially in the games he joined, are almost all cooks or one stripers...those that have finished their 5 games that is...18 of those are still question marks...that is pretty consistent I would say. The fact that he plays a few other games mixed in, doesnt hide the fact of what hes doing...and all of those low ranks that he has played, has been in just the last week or so.

I have looked at his last page, have you?

Opponents in his last 50 games...

10- New Recruits
2- bakers
9- cadets
8- privates
11- pfc
2- corporal
2- sergeant
4- sfc
5- lt
4- captains
3- majors
1- colonel

He has had 5x as many non New Recruit opponents, in his last 50 games, than he has had New Recruit Opponents!

FIVE TIMES MORE!!!

DO YOU STILL NOT GET THAT HE IS NOT SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETING NEW RECRUITS? NOT EVEN CLOSE!

[AAFitz]

Your numbers are wrong.

These are the number of games of magiiiics latest opponents on his game page
3 20 250 1 2 9 5 5 1 4 87 20 94 1 2 75 2500 1k 1k 0 4 1k 36 the pattern continues...and this isnt new...

these are the scores from the top down... in reverse order...which means they are oldest to newest.
6 12 31 31 53 195 59 37 4 12 12 12 3 10 10 8 6 31 22 5 5 4 4 1 58 5 14 6 5 5

thats at least 33 under 15 on his last page, and I simply stopped counting there...

what you are suggesting, is that if he plays a bunch of other players with more games, in this case... around 30 or so on average... that he is not targeting new players?

The intent of the rule, is not to get people to play a bunch of other games while they farm new players...its to keep them from joining against them and taking advantage of them. Again, some of them he joined two games. Thats farming. Its the definition of it.

Again, I doubt he even knew about the rule. Im sure when he realizes it is frowned upon at the very least, and against the rules he will stop and stop targeting them.

It is kind of interesting that he has played 4 people his rank or higher though, and you are so emphatically defending him.

In fact, as your numbers show, he played 40 players with one stripe or less, and 21 of higher than that.
35 of them are so new on the first page, that their ratings havent even registered yet.

Thanks for helping prove the point.