Icepeak mafia [Town wins!]

[Sierra_Leon]

I am pretty sure that puts me at five votes. With two more needed for the lynch, I guess it is time to claim.
I am the town angel.
Last night I saved pmchugh.

Cheers mate but can I ask why would you protect me who was at the time ace, who appeared to be scummy to most?

Spiesr needs to answer this question. I could imagine him claiming to have protected pmchugh because pmchugh 's a good player, but forgetting that that was actually ace1217 on day 1.

[sam_levi_11]

if hes the angel and we have a cop, dont you think the game would be very un balanced to have two cops and a doctor, which is likely more than mafia and werewolf put together.

[spiesr]

Spiesr needs to answer this question. I could imagine him claiming to have protected pmchugh because pmchugh 's a good player, but forgetting that that was actually ace1217 on day 1.

I di. The quoting just got a little goofed up the first time around. (And the second?)

Cheers mate but can I ask why would you protect me who was at the time ace, who appeared to be scummy to most?

At that point I wasn't really sure who was all that scummy, and I know that you tend to be night killed.

[pmchugh]

if hes the angel and we have a cop, dont you think the game would be very un balanced to have two cops and a doctor, which is likely more than mafia and werewolf put together.

Yeah but there is at least 4 scum to 9 town which is in scums advantage so it balances out, plus the angel can only stop half the kills.

[farside22]

if hes the angel and we have a cop, dont you think the game would be very un balanced to have two cops and a doctor, which is likely more than mafia and werewolf put together.

Not only that but someone claim wolfsbane and if that is true most like a bulletproff. I don't see that as balanced. I think nate is lying, but I think spiers is lying too. Go figure.

[pmchugh]

if hes the angel and we have a cop, dont you think the game would be very un balanced to have two cops and a doctor, which is likely more than mafia and werewolf put together.

Not only that but someone claim wolfsbane and if that is true most like a bulletproff. I don't see that as balanced. I think nate is lying, but I think spiers is lying too. Go figure.

Im pretty sure this game has a definate split between those who can effect the actions of the werewolves and those who can affect the actions of the mafia, which is why I believe the angel claim. Although it is very suspicious that he would say he protected ace perhaps he is a scum angel?

[spiesr]

if hes the angel and we have a cop, don't you think the game would be very unbalanced to have two cops and a doctor, which is likely more than mafia and werewolf put together.

Not only that but someone claim wolf's bane and if that is true most like a bulletproof. I don't see that as balanced.

Have you ever played a game with mafia and werewolves before? The doctor only saves people from mafia and the angle only saves people from werewolves. Wolf's bane is only safe from werewolves and bulletproof is only safe from mafia. One of the cops can only find mafia the other (usually called a seer) can only find find werewolves. Assuming nate's claim to be true, in this game the cops only works on alternating nights. This isn't really that unbalanced it's just how mafia and werewolves games work. The extra power roles are kind of justified by there being two kills per night.

[farside22]

if hes the angel and we have a cop, don't you think the game would be very unbalanced to have two cops and a doctor, which is likely more than mafia and werewolf put together.

Not only that but someone claim wolf's bane and if that is true most like a bulletproof. I don't see that as balanced.

Have you ever played a game with mafia and werewolves before? The doctor only saves people from mafia and the angle only saves people from werewolves. Wolf's bane is only safe from werewolves and bulletproof is only safe from mafia. One of the cops can only find mafia the other (usually called a seer) can only find find werewolves. Assuming nate's claim to be true, in this game the cops only works on alternating nights. This isn't really that unbalanced it's just how mafia and werewolves games work. The extra power roles are kind of justified by there being two kills per night.

Yes I have played with wolves and mafia and typially there isn't that many protectors. The mod likes to give scum a chance. But like I said maybe things are just different here. I don't like it. Feels unbalanced. I don't really believe 2 cops either.
Being two seperate groups should mean the wolves need to figure out the mafia to win just as the mafia need to figure out who is the wolf to win. It should be majority to win or half if the game is run like I usually see it.
I still dont' get why you protected Ace.

[pmchugh]

SPEISR- Why havent you answered yet? Why did you protect ace?

Farside- Its not really two cops more like one split into two people if you get what I mean.

[Sierra_Leon]

Spiesr needs to answer this question. I could imagine him claiming to have protected pmchugh because pmchugh 's a good player, but forgetting that that was actually ace1217 on day 1.

I di. The quoting just got a little goofed up the first time around. (And the second?)

Cheers mate but can I ask why would you protect me who was at the time ace, who appeared to be scummy to most?

At that point I wasn't really sure who was all that scummy, and I know that you tend to be night killed.

The second part, I can believe. Although I wouldn't think it was likely pmchugh would get targeted, because he hadn't even posted yet - he just replaced in like you did, and I don't think such a person would make a likely target for a kill. Especially when that person replaced in for someone who was the scummiest person that day. If you could see my face while I'm typing this, you would notice a deeper and deeper frown looking back on how I just said I could believe the second part. But anyway, the first part, I don't believe. How can you say you wasn't really sure who was all that scummy, when day 1 ended with ace just about lynched but only saved by the deadline?! Did you read the thread at all?


On another matter:

Im pretty sure this game has a definate split between those who can effect the actions of the werewolves and those who can affect the actions of the mafia, which is why I believe the angel claim.

Uhm, hello?

sheepofdumb - Town Roleblocker has been killed

Also, the input from some people was a bit low last week, especially that of cena-rules and Nickbaldwin. Don't you guys have anything to add?

[Nickbaldwin]

I can't see any of the power roles being able to protect from/investigate both scum and wolves, as it leaves too much power with one person, so I think it is as pmc says, the roles are split. Which in turn leads me to believe that there is not more than one of each power role as it would unbalance the game. (stay with me, I'm getting to the point). What this says to me is that Nate is lying when he says he works every other night. Unless we can get the Seer equivalent (deputy seer or whatever) to confirm that they only work every other night aswell, then this belief will stay with me. As I said before, I think the roles are split, so it wouldn't make sense to have a deputy cop and not a deputy seer. Also, I think this solution is more favourable than revealing the cop, if it is all true then we lose a deputy.... more favourable than losing a cop or seer. If Nate is outed as a liar, we lose a liar.

Im not saying we should go along with this, I'm just putting forward a solution that could be used if we can't unravel the truth about Nate any other way. You may not agree with me about Nate, that is ok aswell, but it just seems to me that he's a bad liar and bad at covering his tracks when we've caught on.

[Nickbaldwin]

@Sierra, you must be psychic, I was literally typing that as you posted.

[spiesr]

As I said before, I think the roles are split, so it wouldn't make sense to have a deputy cop and not a deputy seer. Also, I think this solution is more favorable than revealing the cop, if it is all true then we lose a deputy.... more favorable than losing a cop or seer. If Nate is outed as a liar, we lose a liar.

This is exactly what I tired which nearly got me lynched. I am pretty sure that we don't have a main and deputy for the cop seer roles, but just a "deputies" (the usage of the term does not make sense) who can only investigate on opposite nights.

[spiesr]

SPEISR- Why haven't you answered yet? Why did you protect ace?

In my now firth or so attempt at answering this I will say (in my mind at least I was protecting you not ace and you are much more valuable) that I did it because:

Cheers mate but can I ask why would you protect me who was at the time ace, who appeared to be scummy to most?

At that point I wasn't really sure who was all that scummy, and I know that you tend to be night killed.

Now I see that protecting you may not have been the best move, but it is what I did.

[Sierra_Leon]

@spiesr: are you ignoring my last post?

[Nickbaldwin]

As I said before, I think the roles are split, so it wouldn't make sense to have a deputy cop and not a deputy seer. Also, I think this solution is more favorable than revealing the cop, if it is all true then we lose a deputy.... more favorable than losing a cop or seer. If Nate is outed as a liar, we lose a liar.

This is exactly what I tired which nearly got me lynched. I am pretty sure that we don't have a main and deputy for the cop seer roles, but just a "deputies" (the usage of the term does not make sense) who can only investigate on opposite nights.

How can there be a deputy without a main? I agree, it doesn't make sense, surely it would be called something else if there was no main? Part time perhaps? Who knows. Can Nate clarify that his role is actually called deputy?

[spaceghst44]

does anyone want to make a deputy seerer claim? If there is one, I feel Nate is cleared, and if there isn't one I vote him. It would make no sense to have a deputy and a sheriff without a deputy seerer and a seerer, right? If I am wrong please explain.

[spiesr]

The second part, I can believe. Although I wouldn't think it was likely pmchugh would get targeted, because he hadn't even posted yet - he just replaced in like you did, and I don't think such a person would make a likely target for a kill. Especially when that person replaced in for someone who was the scummiest person that day. If you could see my face while I'm typing this, you would notice a deeper and deeper frown looking back on how I just said I could believe the second part. But anyway, the first part, I don't believe. How can you say you wasn't really sure who was all that scummy, when day 1 ended with ace just about lynched but only saved by the deadline?! Did you read the thread at all?

Well, I looked through the thread and saw the votes and switch and then on ace yes. I looked at that saw the usual day one bandwagon forced together by the deadline. Then I went off to decide who I should protect. I saw pmchugh's name and was like he seems like a person whom I should protect. I did know that he was replacing ace. I did not spend a very long amount of time deciding who to protect. It may not have been the best decision but it is what I did...

[pmchugh]

SPEISR- Why haven't you answered yet? Why did you protect ace?

In my now firth or so attempt at answering this I will say (in my mind at least I was protecting you not ace and you are much more valuable) that I did it because:

Cheers mate but can I ask why would you protect me who was at the time ace, who appeared to be scummy to most?

At that point I wasn't really sure who was all that scummy, and I know that you tend to be night killed.

Now I see that protecting you may not have been the best move, but it is what I did.

Appoligies for missing your reason, and you probably saved us one of those kills as I do always get NK'ed but it still doesnt make sense to me but I suppose your claim seems legit so there isnt much point in harping on about it.

On another matter:

Im pretty sure this game has a definate split between those who can effect the actions of the werewolves and those who can affect the actions of the mafia, which is why I believe the angel claim.

Uhm, hello?

sheepofdumb - Town Roleblocker has been killed

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I didn't literlally mean every role but I suspect about half or more.

p.s agree with you nick.

[farside22]

SPEISR- Why haven't you answered yet? Why did you protect ace?

In my now firth or so attempt at answering this I will say (in my mind at least I was protecting you not ace and you are much more valuable) that I did it because:

Cheers mate but can I ask why would you protect me who was at the time ace, who appeared to be scummy to most?

At that point I wasn't really sure who was all that scummy, and I know that you tend to be night killed.

Now I see that protecting you may not have been the best move, but it is what I did.

Appoligies for missing your reason, and you probably saved us one of those kills as I do always get NK'ed but it still doesnt make sense to me but I suppose your claim seems legit so there isnt much point in harping on about it.

I know there was only one death but this could be either (a) because mafia and wolves chose the same person to attack (b) the doc or angel saved someone (c) there is a bulletproff person as well and the mafia targeted that person. So don't get the you probably saved me. I still have you as a person I think is scummy but most of it came because of ace. I think you are better (more informative and thoughtful as far as discussion) then he but the pick is still weird to me.

I'm going for the next person on my list

vote LSU

Due to lack of scum hunting. The williness to attack others and find an excuse for ace. I had a few reason when I read in here.

[spiesr]

Moving on I am going to vote for the person who actions to seem me the most inexplicable and scummy.
Vote spaceghst44

Space has been acting strange

[spaceghst44]

Moving on I am going to vote for the person who actions to seem me the most inexplicable and scummy.
Vote spaceghst44

Space has been acting strange

Can you please explain how my actions are unexplainable?

I voted for you because you wanted the cop to surface.
I had a feeling about Nate that was wrong, unless you get outed.
I felt dunc was scummy because of his quick trigger vote.

Pretty good explanations I think.

[spiesr]

I said they were inexplicable not unexplainable. I know that that is how you explain your action, but some of them still seem scummy..

[spaceghst44]

I said they were inexplicable not unexplainable. I know that that is how you explain your action, but some of them still seem scummy..

Inexplicable is defined as incapable of being accounted for or explained, i.e. unexplainable.

So how are my actions inexplicable? I gave you my reasons.

I think your vote is nothing more than a retaliatory vote for me causing an uproar about you wanting the cop to come out. Which is fine, I just wish you would admit it. I still do not trust you; you still seem to have a scum side.

[pmchugh]

I know there was only one death but this could be either (a) because mafia and wolves chose the same person to attack (b) the doc or angel saved someone (c) there is a bulletproff person as well and the mafia targeted that person. So don't get the you probably saved me.

I was only joking.

I still have you as a person I think is scummy but most of it came because of ace. I think you are better (more informative and thoughtful as far as discussion) then he but the pick is still weird to me.

I sure hope im better lol.

I said they were inexplicable not unexplainable. I know that that is how you explain your action, but some of them still seem scummy..

Inexplicable is defined as incapable of being accounted for or explained, i.e. unexplainable.

So how are my actions inexplicable? I gave you my reasons.

I think your vote is nothing more than a retaliatory vote for me causing an uproar about you wanting the cop to come out. Which is fine, I just wish you would admit it. I still do not trust you; you still seem to have a scum side.

This is quite ironic you like to OMGUS a lot yourself (which is btw what your were explaining).