Peloponnesian War [Done]

[Qwert]

by Incandenza on Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:54 am

A few things, qwert:

1. after das schloss, I'm concerned about a map where no one can kill anyone else. In the das schloss revamp cairns put in a couple of helicopters with very high neutrals that would bombard the starting positions, so that way people can still be killed (tho with some difficulty). Why not just have starting positions? They're far enough apart that players will be able to have decent footholds before coming into contact.
2. are you planning on having a connection between sporadians and somewhere on the turkish coast? (maybe the halicarnassans)
3. the starting spots are wildly uneven in terms of access to hoplites, i.e. Dardanians and Skyros have to go only one terit, but the romans and persians have to go a lot farther.
4. do you have some idea what the neutral values will be? that'll help judge the gameplay and flow of the map
5. just to make sure: the objective is to hold all 8 shields, right?

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1.Main problem with das schloss,is to give very huge bonuses,here you dont have these,you start with regular numbers of army,and these mean 3.Now if these cause any problem in game,then will be quit easy to change,just change XMl to be normal territory,and erase one way borders in map,and these will not cause any problem if games all ready start. For now i will stay one way attack.
2.You have very good eye,i dont notice that.Well probably is best to connect with Halicarnasians.
3.Well,i noted these in previous post,that i just put hoplites,and that everybody can give hes view,where to put hoplites,and how many is need hoplites on these map.so you can give yours view,where will be need to put hopiltes.
4.Still not have idea,its open for all to give hes oppinion abouth neutral value.
5.Yes,i have fell that these words look apropriate,instead to add something like"Gameplay objective-hold all 8 shields"

[MrBenn]

Qwert, the map is looking good - sorry for not commenting sooner...

My main concerns at the moment are about clarity - it isn't entirely clear that the objective is to capture all the shields.

The other thing that needs attention is balancing the gameplay.

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[Qwert]

by MrBenn on Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:33 pm

Qwert, the map is looking good - sorry for not commenting sooner...

1.My main concerns at the moment are about clarity - it isn't entirely clear that the objective is to capture all the shields.

2.The other thing that needs attention is balancing the gameplay.

1.What its not clear,give me more info.
2.Im open for any oppinion

[e_i_pi]

Graphics as always are fantastic qwert. You're an asset to the site.

The one area I found difficult was the inset of Corinth and Boetia, it took me a while to work out where on the map it was. Is it possible to draw some sort of boundary around that region of the map, then have an arrow pointing to the inset? The inset almost looks like it's an island west of Crete at the moment, as there is nothing to distinguish it as an inset.

[MrBenn]

by MrBenn on Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:33 pm

Qwert, the map is looking good - sorry for not commenting sooner...

1.My main concerns at the moment are about clarity - it isn't entirely clear that the objective is to capture all the shields.

2.The other thing that needs attention is balancing the gameplay.

1.What its not clear,give me more info.
2.Im open for any oppinion

The objective needs to be clear from the map - the bit on the legend about the shields doesn't make it clear that is the objective.
I'm not sure you need the inset for Corinth and Boetia - is there any way you can get the army circles near the territories?

[Qwert]

new fresh small update.
Its these more clear abouth objectives?
Inset is need,because i realy dont have space there.
I add new territory south from dardanians.

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[MrBenn]

Good update

I think the objective wording would be better if it was "Capture Shields to win the war"

Are you sure there isn't room on the main map for the Corinthian/Megarian circles? If you swap the Boetian circle/shield, you could use some of the sea, or possibly tweak the borders a tiny bit? What do others think?

[Qwert]

by MrBenn on Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:05 am

Good update

1.I think the objective wording would be better if it was "Capture Shields to win the war"

2.Are you sure there isn't room on the main map for the Corinthian/Megarian circles? If you swap the Boetian circle/shield, you could use some of the sea, or possibly tweak the borders a tiny bit? What do others think?

1.ok
2.Im all ready work in boeotians to fit hes circle and Shield and name. Map inset is best option to not create unecessary squeze solution. If i can fit,i will all ready create that,but i realy dont have space to put circles. Map inset help to these area be very good visible,and to not be confusing

[Qwert]

hmm,its quit silence here.
well new update.

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[The Neon Peon]

Why are the three shields right next to the inset? 2 of them border each other, then the third is a territory away... shouldn't they be a little farther apart at least?

[Qwert]

by The Neon Peon on Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:19 am

Why are the three shields right next to the inset? 2 of them border each other, then the third is a territory away... shouldn't they be a little farther apart at least?

Can you give me some sugestion.
I realy try to find some other importan Cities,but in these war-Boeotians(thebes)Athenians(athens)Corintians(Corinth)Lacedaemonians(SPartan),are major powers,and without these,will not be War.
Any way,you dont get bonuses for Shields,you need to hold all 8 shields to win a War(game).

[asl80]

looking good qwert
two small suggestions;

* change the wording from "win a war" to "win the war" ... the first sounds in english like each of the shields will give you something ... the second is more total.

* make the two "blobs" for the "map inset" and "objectives etc." touch eacother ... i.e. make them one bigger blob and push them a tiny bit more into the corner to seperate them better from the rest of the land mass.

[Qwert]

by asl80 on Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:03 am

looking good qwert
two small suggestions;

* change the wording from "win a war" to "win the war" ... the first sounds in english like each of the shields will give you something ... the second is more total.

* make the two "blobs" for the "map inset" and "objectives etc." touch eacother ... i.e. make them one bigger blob and push them a tiny bit more into the corner to seperate them better from the rest of the land mass.

I get these sugestion from Mrbeen,but i forget on that,i hope that im not forget when im next time update.

Blobs? What these mean? Can you show me visual,no need to be artisitic,just create something to understand .

[asl80]

* actually, it would have to say "Capture all the shields to win the war"

* well here goes with the blobs ... hehe ...

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[The Neon Peon]

What did you do with the legend? It looked fine before, but needed one word added

[Qwert]

Asl you dont need to show all map,just these part of map.
I see what you mean,i have some idea abouth that.

[asl80]

:lol: Asl you dont need to show all map,just these part of map.
I see what you mean,i have some idea abouth that.

hehehehehehehe
how's my microsoft paint skills ... pretty good 'ey, hahahahaha ... neonpeon thought it was yours hehehehe

[The Neon Peon]

Once you take out all the territories a player has, you are yourself not doing so well.

A person has a minimum of 3 deploy, so to keep them inside that one last territory, you would need 4 men (because of dice, attacker's advantage). 4 men out of your army will only leave you with 1 or 2 left for other parts of the game.

I suggest adding some bonuses, and/or making the territory right in front of the starting positions have an autodeploy. Either way will make taking over the next region give you more troops than you need to hold it, thus giving you a profit.

[Qwert]

by The Neon Peon on Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:30 pm

Once you take out all the territories a player has, you are yourself not doing so well.

A person has a minimum of 3 deploy, so to keep them inside that one last territory, you would need 4 men (because of dice, attacker's advantage). 4 men out of your army will only leave you with 1 or 2 left for other parts of the game.

I suggest adding some bonuses, and/or making the territory right in front of the starting positions have an autodeploy. Either way will make taking over the next region give you more troops than you need to hold it, thus giving you a profit.

if you notice,that distace bettwen starting position is min 5 territory. I ony can give max 2 autodeploy to starting position,because i realy dont like maps who give to much bonuses.
Now its quit hard for anybody to have any big advantage over other players,but if some player alove to other player expeel hem from all map,then these will be fault from these player not fault from map,because now map not give anybody any advantage.
If you have min 5 neutral territory,these give you +15 neutrals, wery hard to eliminate in short range.

[The Neon Peon]

Wait, I thought you can't eliminate players?

[Qwert]

by The Neon Peon on Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:13 am

Wait, I thought you can't eliminate players?

You can not eliminate players from map,that why i dont understand why you need to big bonuses.
First of all everybody is in long distance to each other,and objectives is in middle of map,
If you play with 5-6-7-8 players,everybody begun with equal advantage,no need for any new bonuses,expecialy for some bonuses who will give advantage to player who starting first.
Ofcourse some autodeply in starting territory is OK,but not to much biger.

[sam_levi_11]

I like the nice hectic map, and it has really great graphics(i wouldnt expect less from you! )

[Qwert]

Thanks sam levi.

well its time for new refreshing update,also i add map description in page 1 post 1(if something not clear please post)

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[ZeakCytho]

If starting positions can't be attacked, won't this map have the same problem Das Schloß does?

[Qwert]

I dont think so, because you dont get big bonuses,like you get in dass scloss.
But we can not know before first game on map,right. We can not know precisely how will these work,because we dont have testing area for that.