"Point Restriction" tournaments

[Gilligan]

you tourney boys are really cracking me up:

1) only the tourneys that don't piss us off should count

Piss YOU off? Yeah, let's piss off the regulars here and let the newcomers come and do whatever they want. You hardly ever come in here. As far as I'm concerned your opinion means absolutely nothing.

2) all you tourney forum noobs don't know shit

What do you know? I got the 5 minutes it needs for you to share.

3) nothing you could possibly do could possibly be a positive

What the hell have you done to contribute? Should only take 5 seconds to read, if anything.

oh and finally, 4) you are elitists

Wow, amazing job explaining.

how funny! isn't this just a case of the OP and mr. OP getting all pissy b/c something they don't like is happening in their precious forum? you can do all the name-calling you want, but you're the ones coming off as elitist control freaks.

Hmm, amazing how much respect is lost for OP once he turned in his color. It's because the hundreds of tournament regulars don't appreciate what's happening.

thanks to barterer for injecting some reason here. everyone just leave poor blitz alone, he found a new hobby and he can enjoy it how he sees fit. it's not up to you tourney snobs to tell him what he can and can't do.

No one is telling him he can't do anything as it is not currently against the handbook. It's just that the majority of the REGULARS here do not like it, and the high ranked snobs are coming in and 'taking over'. If they have any kind of decency, they would do something to change their ways to the people that keep this forum running. And you, sir, are not one of them.

Let's just put aside everything we've stood for, so some high ranked assholes can come in here and run the party? Sorry, not happening.

[Bones2484]

you tourney boys are really cracking me up:

1) only the tourneys that don't piss us off should count
2) all you tourney forum noobs don't know shit
3) nothing you could possibly do could possibly be a positive

oh and finally, 4) you are elitists

how funny! isn't this just a case of the OP and mr. OP getting all pissy b/c something they don't like is happening in their precious forum? you can do all the name-calling you want, but you're the ones coming off as elitist control freaks.

thanks to barterer for injecting some reason here. everyone just leave poor blitz alone, he found a new hobby and he can enjoy it how he sees fit. it's not up to you tourney snobs to tell him what he can and can't do.

This is extremely pathetic after the post Blitz made. You should be ashamed.

I'm not even going to bother responding to this drivel. Go back to your Quads and Triples point farming games and stay out of things that obviously you don't care one bit about.

[Bones2484]

Blitz, thanks again for the PM you sent me.

Anyways. Now that things have cooled down a little...

While I still am not in favor of point restriction tournaments that don't have divisions for everyone, I think a reasonable solution would be to ask for a gentleman's agreement to limit them. Most of my frustration, and I'm sure it's the same for others, was seeing SO MANY of them on the first page of the sign up forum. It's no fun knowing that you can't even play in half the available tournaments even if you wanted. Can we please just limit them to every few weeks or so since it's apparent they aren't going to go away completely?

[Blitzaholic]

Blitz, thanks again for the PM you sent me.

Anyways. Now that things have cooled down a little...

While I still am not in favor of point restriction tournaments that don't have divisions for everyone, I think a reasonable solution would be to ask for a gentleman's agreement to limit them. Most of my frustration, and I'm sure it's the same for others, was seeing SO MANY of them on the first page of the sign up forum. It's no fun knowing that you can't even play in half the available tournaments even if you wanted. Can we please just limit them to every few weeks or so since it's apparent they aren't going to go away completely?

yes, I will keep them at a minimal for sure, ty for the compromise

respects, blitz

[Godd]

Does anyone else think that point restriction tournaments are a bad idea?

Here's just My opinion on the matter (like it matters now)
1st- I don't like point restriction tourneys for I feel the best players are not just the ones on top of the scoreboard list
2nd- I am not worried about losing points, If a cook beats me then he deserves the points taken.
3rd- There is a place for restrictive tourneys in moderation as well as for non- restrictive ones (I just don't like the restrictive ones myself)

As for the Top players on this site they are all over the scoreboard and not just the 1st page. If they were the only best players then they would not worry about losing points for they would not lose, right? OK we all lose games and win games but I have seen cooks come in and beat the tar out of me and I see some of them now not as cooks but as majors and such. Everyone starts off at a cook no matter how good they are and yes some of the cooks are some of the best players on this site

[Prankcall]

Boo Whoo.Why should Blitz have to limit them?.Instead of him limiting them why don't you try raising your score,how about that?! I'm sure that never crossed your mind. I voted number 1 if you have yet to figure this out

[Optimus Prime]

Boo Whoo.Why should Blitz have to limit them?.Instead of him limiting them why don't you try raising your score,how about that?! I'm sure that never crossed your mind. I voted number 1 if you have yet to figure this out

Or... you could get it through your thick skull that the whole point of tournament enjoyment is the fact that you don't worry about being surrounded by people obsessing over how many of their points you are going to take. Yeah... that could work too.

[Bones2484]

Boo Whoo.Why should Blitz have to limit them?.Instead of him limiting them why don't you try raising your score,how about that?! I'm sure that never crossed your mind. I voted number 1 if you have yet to figure this out

I'm sorry. I didn't realize someone with 58 tournament games has much invested in this discussion.

Oh wait. 18 of those games were in the Olympics tournament, which is a clan contest. Oh, and 10 more are in "point restriction" games.

Ok. I didn't realize someone with 30 tournament games has much invested in this discussion.

How would you like it if the site stopped allowing point gains from beating cooks and new recruits? I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy. No one (well, until now) cared about points in tournaments, only playing games for the fun of it. Worrying about points doesn't belong in this forum.

edit: And since I'm sure you were incapable of reading the thread, I have had the score necessary for these tournaments as early as 2 weeks ago. But since tournaments imply playing against players of ALL ranks, tournament regular scores go up and down pretty frequently. The thing is, a majority of us don't care about our points. I know it's hard for a farmer to understand, but points don't mean everything to everyone.

[Prankcall]

You seem to be missing the point here.Your looking at it from your view,which is pretty obvious it's all you wanna see.The amount of tournaments I play is in proportion to the amount of tournaments I feel safe playing.Get your facts straight I'm not a farmer either I play all games and any games.Most of my games are speed and usually mean they are showing up.It seems everywhere you go in the forum now you have people crying about farming or not having a decent enough score to qualify.This is truly what is killing the site not these 7 tournaments created that your score did not let you qualify for.Maybe you should move this to Flame Wars?!

[prismsaber]

I think I have a unique vantage point in this argument because the first half or so of my cc "career" was largely spent playing in tournaments. At one point my games were exclusively tourney games.

I credit tournaments with helping me develop a good all-around game and a strong foundation. I quickly learned the fundamentals of the game and was able to maintain a major/colonel rank even though I was playing the likes of large scale doodle earth 1v1 tournaments.

Through tournaments, I learned which game styles I like, and which ones I don't like. As a result, I decided a while back to largely stick to the types of games I like and avoid the ones I don't.

Through my experiences I would say those on the top few pages of the scoreboard are the best overall players. Even those who noob farm have to have some skill by definition. I define some skill as able to maintain a status of major through more honorable methods. A noob can't farm other noobs!!

That being said, some people in this thread have been very vicious. I don't see a problem with the point restriction tournies. It's all for fun. I thought the 7 or 8 were a bit excessive myself and that's why I joined only 1, but hey if high ranked players want to enjoy a tournament against other high ranked players, who is it hurting, really? The best reason I can think of for the outrage is that people who don't meet the point requirement feel insulted. They feel like someone is pointing at them and telling them "you aren't good enough." Well don't take it so personally. It's not about that. Play the games you like to play and let others play the games (in this case, tournaments) that they like to play.

[Bones2484]

who is it hurting, really?

The problem that lead to this thread was over half of the open tournaments were point restriction. That is NOT a good way to bring more and more people into the forum.

Blitz has already agreed to spread them out. Why is this still going?

Well, other than Prank coming in here just to be an ass.

[Prankcall]

I'm an ass everywhere.I try not to be it just comes off this way.I like you said don't play these tournies or join many because it's not much fun when u play the best of 5 series and win 3-2 yet still lose 50 points.I have no idea if there is a limit of how many can be going at one time.That being said I will take my ass somewhere else.Have a nice day.

[Nephilim]

and lest prank get all the glory or have all the fun, i must add:

gilligan, you should really go back to school and brush up on a little thing called "reading and comprehension." my three points were spoken/written from the perspective of you tourney forum snobs. if it wasn't such a good job of explaining.....well, you just didn't get it.

bones, my point-farming ass currently owns a 7-0 record vs you in teams games, and i will soon add a nice tourney win over you as well. how fitting.

seriously, do you not recognize all the rampant hypocrisy here? if i join games vs low ranks or set up public games, i'm a point farmer. if i choose to play vs high rankers, i'm a snobby elitist. never mind the inconvenient fact that i own your ass in actual games that we've actually played. oh and btw to all you nice folks that "run" this forum: i don't have to be a regular to have a valid opinion. if you think that i do, you need a lesson in logic.

you know what else won't bring more people to this forum? when they do come in to start tourneys, you bitch at them cause they don't do things according to your preference. then you cuss out people who come to chime in on the discussion. what a bastion of reason and good manners this place is!

[Lufsen75]

I still must reply on this redicoulus argument.

I still believe you all should try to play any tournament in this and if you win that one I can resepect you. I only respect winners of truely open tournament. OK, some tournaments require premium due to how many games you have to play at same time, and one I run are only open to swedish players. But that one only takes out the best swede and so on. Blitz tournament closes the door for most players which will make the winner not respected by me and many other. Open tournament winners gets the respect they deserve, and more respect if it takes more games to win. 4 wins shouldnt get someone called a winner. I have only won one but find it fun to run and play in most tourney. Starting this many at same time with this requirement id nothing more than running for medals and easy wins.

To blitz and all other whiners of risk losing points. GET A JOB!!!

[LFAW]

I thought I should comment and looking through the thread im pretty annoyed by some of the higher ranked responses especially Blitz'.

I am in the top 250 on the site yet I feel aswell that by no means are we the best players on the site. There are so many players lower then me that could beat me on random settings.

I have entered about 18 tournaments and have only won 2 tournaments one of which was a bit of a joke tournament (Doubles Doodle Kill) but one that required 20 rounds of fighting to finish (H-O-R-S-E). I felt a great sense of accomplishment not because of the fact I won but because it was a tough and fun contest.

I have only run one tournament which involved 32 Players aswell as over 150 Battles on a certain type of map. I am also running a second tournament (a quick and easy tournament BUT has 64 Players in it). And am planning to run a third.

I am in the final of Blitz' Space 1v1 Tournament for 2500+ pts. There is no real sense of accomplishment of being there... why would there be? I beat 4 players in a row based on the fact I started in each of them and had good drops... woop de do. Not even like it had skilled based settings. (Unlimited 1v1...)

At any rate, the debate was of course about Point Restrictions. I am against restrictions and feel that higher ranks should take some time playing the rest of the site. You may well learn something

[flexmaster33]

Just got the newsletter and saw this topic...I think TO's should be able to limit entry based on rank if they choose.

I don't like to limit my own tourneys in that way, but if an organizer feels that is the type of tourney he would like to run he should have that right...afterall it is the organizer who is putting in most of the work to keep the tournament running.

Also, there are plenty of tournaments that are open to all players...I don't feel like it's preventing players from joining a tourney somewhere.

[samuelc812]

Just got the newsletter and saw this topic...I think TO's should be able to limit entry based on rank if they choose.

I don't like to limit my own tourneys in that way, but if an organizer feels that is the type of tourney he would like to run he should have that right...afterall it is the organizer who is putting in most of the work to keep the tournament running.

Also, there are plenty of tournaments that are open to all players...I don't feel like it's preventing players from joining a tourney somewhere.

That's just it, there is hardly any work involved, a 1v1 with 16 players, might take a week or 2 to finish, and you could easily run 10 of them, then that is 10 easy medals while everyone else IS putting in the hards yards...

[Bones2484]

afterall it is the organizer who is putting in most of the work to keep the tournament running.

A 6-month long tournament with almost 100 players and 30 games a player like the one you are hosting? Sure, that's a ton of work.

A 16-person 1v1 single elimination tournament? Not so much.

Again, my problem with this most likely stemmed from all of them being released at once. And as Blitz already agreed to, he won't let this happen again. The medals for hosting are another discussion that I'm sure Steel and NS are looking into; medals have no implications on my thoughts in this matter.

[Gilligan]

This tournament lasted 10 days!!

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 92&t=70284

And a whopping 16 games were created.

[samuelc812]

That is one hell of a long tournament

[a.sub]

what about my battle of the n00bs tourney? would that get affected?
in those tourneys the players are divided amongst groups by rank then the winners of all the ranks get to continue to a final battle

[Gilligan]

what about my battle of the n00bs tourney? would that get affected?
in those tourneys the players are divided amongst groups by rank then the winners of all the ranks get to continue to a final battle

I would think it is fine as all ranks can join.

[Bones2484]

what about my battle of the n00bs tourney? would that get affected?
in those tourneys the players are divided amongst groups by rank then the winners of all the ranks get to continue to a final battle

I think that is a great way to do it. Everyone has a chance to participate.