http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=40095(CNSNews.com) – President-elect Barack Obama designated Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) to be his next secretary of state Monday, despite having spent much of the previous two years questioning her foreign-policy credentials.
During the campaign for the Democratic nomination, Obama mocked Clinton’s primary claim that she possessed the necessary foreign policy experience to be president.
“What exactly is this foreign policy expertise?” Obama said to reporters in March, while flying from a campaign event in Texas. “Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no.”
In spite of these doubts, Obama praised Clinton’s credentials Monday, saying she would be able to advance America’s interests due to her knowledge of world affairs and familiarity with world leaders.
“She is an American of tremendous stature who will have my complete confidence, who knows many of the world's leaders, who will command respect in every capital, and who will clearly have the ability to advance our interests around the world,” he said.
Obama said that his new foreign policy team, which will be led by Clinton, would change America’s foreign policy for the better.
“I am confident that this is the team that we need to make a new beginning for American national security,” he told reporters at the announcement.
However, Obama had expressed exactly the opposite view of Clinton during the primary campaign.
“It’s what’s wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected,” Obama said in a January radio ad. “Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything and change nothing.”
Obama also said Monday that he picked Clinton for her intelligence, toughness and work ethic, noting that his new team would need to pursue a new strategy around the globe.
“She possesses an extraordinary intelligence and toughness, and a remarkable work ethic,” the president-elect said of Clinton.
He added that his new team must “pursue a new strategy that skillfully uses, balances, and integrates all elements of American power: our military and diplomacy, our intelligence and law enforcement, our economy and the power of our moral example.”
But last year, Obama’s campaign specifically said that the candidate didn’t need the advice of someone like Clinton, “someone whose ideas were more in line with those of President George W. Bush” than with Obama’s.
“Barack Obama doesn’t need lectures in political courage from someone who followed George Bush to war in Iraq,” the campaign said in a December 2007 statement.
A few months later, Obama reinforced the sentiments of his campaign, saying that Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy wasn’t the change Americans wanted.
“Real change isn’t voting for George Bush’s war in Iraq and then telling the American people it was actually voting for more diplomacy,” he said in March.
In his introduction of Clinton on Monday, however, Obama also seemed to contradict the prior statements of two of his top incoming advisors; both of whom said that Clinton had never been involved in foreign policy issues before.
Greg Craig, incoming chief counsel, said of Clinton in a March conference call: “There’s no evidence that she participated or asserted herself in any of the crises that took place during the eight years of the Clinton presidency. White House records show that she was consistently absent when critical decisions were being made and that her trips abroad were largely ceremonial.”
Susan Rice, Obama’s choice to become U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, meanwhile, said that a First Lady doesn’t deal with international issues.
“There is no crisis to be dealt with or managed when you are First Lady,” Rice said in March. “You don't get that kind of experience by being married to a commander-in-chief.”
In the most hotly debated dust-up of the primary season – over Clinton’s famous “3 a.m.” ad asking which candidate would better handle a crisis call at three in the morning -- Obama himself said Clinton had already failed the foreign policy test.
“The question is, what kind of judgment will you exercise when you pick up that phone,” Obama said. “In fact, we’ve had a red-phone moment. It was the decision to invade Iraq. Sen. Clinton gave the wrong answer.”
On Monday, meanwhile, Obama called Clinton “a friend, a colleague, a source of counsel.”
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Does seem quite contradictory. No comment..
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Yeah...uhm...duh?
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Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?
The big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart.
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Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
So he likes Hillary Clinton, he's keeping the Bush tax cuts in place, and he has changed his position on Iraq as well...Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?
So how is he better than John McCain again? and I'm not talking about being a better liar...
Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
He's letting Bush's tax cuts expire. McCain wanted to extend them definitely.GabonX wrote:So he likes Hillary Clinton, he's keeping the Bush tax cuts in place, and he has changed his position on Iraq as well...Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?
So how is he better than John McCain again? and I'm not talking about being a better liar...
He hasn't changed his position on Iraq, and in any case it's still certainly better than McCain's position.
You clearly don't like the "team of rivals" philosophy of a Cabinet...
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There's a difference between having rival policies in a cabinet and putting someone in that the person views as incompetent.InkL0sed wrote:He's letting Bush's tax cuts expire. McCain wanted to extend them definitely.GabonX wrote:So he likes Hillary Clinton, he's keeping the Bush tax cuts in place, and he has changed his position on Iraq as well...Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?
So how is he better than John McCain again? and I'm not talking about being a better liar...
He hasn't changed his position on Iraq, and in any case it's still certainly better than McCain's position.
You clearly don't like the "team of rivals" philosophy of a Cabinet...
Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
*newsflash: politicians sometimes say things that they know aren't exactly true in order to get elected. also, during primary campaigns, people that genuinely respect each other are forced to exaggerate the weaknesses of their opponents.*
*oh and another newsflash: obama won. get the f*ck over it.
*oh and another newsflash: obama won. get the f*ck over it.
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InkL0sed wrote: He's letting Bush's tax cuts expire. McCain wanted to extend them definitely.
After swearing that he was going to over turn them immediately upon taking office.
He hasn't changed his position on Iraq, and in any case it's still certainly better than McCain's position.
No? Bringing home all the troops, as opposed to now only 15,000 over 18 months? please!
You clearly don't like the "team of rivals" philosophy of a Cabinet...
Almost half of them are the same team from 16 - 12 years ago. This is change? What rivals? Hillery is his rival? I would bet my nut that Secretary of State is compensation for her support following her loss in the primaries.
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Right.. I'll make it a point never to criticize a politician who is in office even if their caught red handed lying.Nephilim wrote:obama won. get the f*ck over it.
Just out of curiosity, did you heed your own advice in regards to Bush for the last 8 years?
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Nephilim wrote:*newsflash: politicians sometimes say things that they know aren't exactly true in order to get elected. also, during primary campaigns, people that genuinely respect each other are forced to exaggerate the weaknesses of their opponents.*
*oh and another newsflash: obama won. get the f*ck over it.
yes, everyone, gather around... its okay for this president-elect to lie. Never mind that it is a testament to how he will run the white house just like all the rest... ushering in "change we can believe in (except that you really can't believe it because it is all a wild pack of lies, used for the sole purpose to punish america and the republican party for the awesome presidency of bush)"
Hey, in other news, Obama praises bush for all he has done for aids victims. thats nice at least!
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Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
Omfgawd.. . Obama disputed Clinton's credentials before applauding them?
well no duh! cnsnews.com is obviously the new brain trust of the free world.
Were they not in the opposite corners of a presidential election?
Here's another headline for you...
McCain Disputed Obama's Credentials Before Applauding Them
well no duh! cnsnews.com is obviously the new brain trust of the free world.
Were they not in the opposite corners of a presidential election?
Here's another headline for you...
McCain Disputed Obama's Credentials Before Applauding Them
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oVo wrote:Omfgawd.. . Obama disputed Clinton's credentials before applauding them?
well no duh! cnsnews.com is obviously the new brain trust of the free world.
Were they not in the opposite corners of a presidential election?
Here's another headline for you...
McCain Disputed Obama's Credentials Before Applauding Them
And this makes it right?
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It makes it apparent that the dumbing down has begun,
even before Obama has even taken office.
even before Obama has even taken office.
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oVo wrote:It makes it apparent that the dumbing down has begun,
even before Obama has even taken office.
You haven't answered my question. BO is every bit as guilty, in my opinion, of the same campaign tactics as GW for his two terms.
America is too far gone. We are finished if this is the level of integrity we can expect from our politicians.
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Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
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Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.
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Well....she isn't vice president is she?black elk speaks wrote:Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.
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Secretary of State is the next best thing.Snorri1234 wrote:Well....she isn't vice president is she?black elk speaks wrote:Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.
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Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
black elk speaks.
other elk pretend to be knitting little elk mittens.
may it ever thus be so
other elk pretend to be knitting little elk mittens.
may it ever thus be so
had i been wise, i would have seen that her simplicity cost her a fortune
Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
This is exactly the point. It's no surprise that they criticized each other durring the primaries and it's no secret that it was a rather nasty battle. What is unnerving is that he would give her the number one diplomatic position in his administration after saying that she was an unqualified diplomat.black elk speaks wrote:Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.
He went as far as to say
andBarrack Obama wrote: “It’s what’s wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected,”
If you replace "Hillary Clinton" with "Barrack Obama" in these statements it describes the situation perfectly.Barrack Obama wrote: “Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything and change nothing.”
Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
Welcome to politics?
Had McCain won the election and chosen Romney or Huckabee to his cabinet, how would you defend the choice as a republican?
Don't be a hypocrite with double standards.
Had McCain won the election and chosen Romney or Huckabee to his cabinet, how would you defend the choice as a republican?
Don't be a hypocrite with double standards.
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Well ofcourse McCain would have realised that that person was a very valuable asset and his experience in a particular field was very good. All that mudslinging in the campaign was just a bit of joking around.Bones2484 wrote:Welcome to politics?
Had McCain won the election and chosen Romney or Huckabee to his cabinet, how would you defend the choice as a republican?
Seriously, it's like people fail to realise how you are supposed to win an election.
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Wait. You mean kind of like what McCain said in his concession speech to Obama??Snorri1234 wrote: Well ofcourse McCain would have realised that that person was a very valuable asset and his experience in a particular field was very good. All that mudslinging in the campaign was just a bit of joking around.
Oh no! Republicans can go back on what they say during campaigns too!??! Say it ain't so!
Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them
This would be a point if he had chosen Romney (not so regarding Huckabee as the two ran a very positive campaign towards each other), but he didn't so you're grasping for straws. For the record I don't like Romney but he still would have been preferable to Clinton or Obama.Bones2484 wrote:Welcome to politics?
Had McCain won the election and chosen Romney or Huckabee to his cabinet, how would you defend the choice as a republican?
Don't be a hypocrite with double standards.
You're right in asserting that this is politics as usual, so lets stop pretending that B O is something special. Aside from his alleged speaking ability and chrisma (and race) his resume is frighteningly slim. He's truly the American Idol of politics and by being so outspoken against the people who he has chosen he's beginning to show his true character
