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"The Real University" [recruiting][social]

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:23 pm

"A non-exclusionary group enjoying the rational and reasoned discussion and debate of whatever we find interesting."
1) Rationality
2) Interest in others' perspectives
3) Benefit of the doubt

Anybody is allowed in and given the benefit of the doubt, but this forum is strictly for reasoned, logical and interested debate. You can spam it up and scream insults all you want in TNYB (in fact, you're encouraged to let out your steam there), but when you enter The Real University it's down to business... and we're forming on the principle that we believe people are capable of doing that.

This is my motivation for founding this clan:
A lot of people really don't bother analyzing and assessing their own opinions; they just believe what they do and don't really bother thinking about the other side of it. I (in my own head) refer to these as "Default Believers." There are just as many DB's who are Democrats as there are who are Republican; or rather, it's pretty much proportional to whatever cross-section you might care to take. Then (to arbitrarily divide people up into 2 groups when it's really a gradient), there are Thinkers, by which I mean people who tend to put a lot more thought into issues, and even change their opinion after learning more.

Different thinkers, who really care and try to figure out what's true, consider carefully and reach opposing conclusions. Then, DB's follow both sets of thinkers without thinking at all. It's frustrating to me that we will often end up never knowing why the different thinkers, both groups intelligent and rational, didn't agree, and which, if either, was right.
With this in mind, why is arguing seen as a sign of hate? From me, arguing is only a sign of respect. It says, "I care what you think. I see you as one of the smart people, and want to rectify our difference in opinion. I want us both to find out which of us is right, or if we can't, at least gain some perspective on the issue."


If we only ever discuss things with people who happen to agree with us, then we don't really know anything. If we discuss (debate) things with a thinker who actually has some perspective on the ideas, then we gain that perspective whether or not anyone has changed their minds. I feel a conversation has been successful if I think something that I didn't before entering it.

If there's someone that you consider irrational, annoying, or mentally lazy, don't bother arguing with them. Just let them go on believing whatever they want. You're not going to convince them of anything, and more importantly you have nothing to learn from them.


I'm looking for some co-leaders for this clan, who have opinions and perspective different than my own. I'm atheistic, liberal-leaning, know the sciences more than the arts, and am from the US. Of course, we're looking for at least three leaders in total, so you don't have to oppose all of this. Most importantly, you should value rationality.

Bonus points for recognizing the reference in the clan name.

The only requirements are:
1) A real desire to discuss important and/or interesting issues.
2) A promise to remain civil and avoid insults and ad-hoc arguments at all times within the clan.

samuelc812
ZeakCytho
Iliad
mpjh
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Skittles!
Neoteny
Grooveman2007
khazalid
Haggis_McMutton
PLAYER57832
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jnd94
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Dancing Mustard
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Simon Viavant
Visaoni
john9blue
e_i_pi
Flungus
Stephen Wayne
Juan_Bottom
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jennifermarie
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:33 pm

I'm in :) as a leader if you want but i am in nevertheless :)

*I am a Christian, Know the sciences more than the arts, liberal leaning, and i am in Australia :)
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:33 pm

samuelc812 wrote:I'm in :) as a leader if you want but i am in nevertheless :)

*I am a Christian, Know the sciences more than the arts, liberal leaning, and i am in Australia :)

Glad to have you.

I see you haven't done much internet debating on this forum yet... are you sure you want the job? (btw, the actual leadership won't be determined until we have an actual membership)
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:45 pm

Ditocoaf wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:I'm in :) as a leader if you want but i am in nevertheless :)

*I am a Christian, Know the sciences more than the arts, liberal leaning, and i am in Australia :)

Glad to have you.

I see you haven't done much internet debating on this forum yet... are you sure you want the job? (btw, the actual leadership won't be determined until we have an actual membership)


Which Forum is that??
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:47 pm

If you are talking about TNYB no i don't go in there much as i have never really felt the need ;)
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby ZeakCytho on Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:49 pm

Count me in. But I won't be a leader. I don't have enough free time to be one.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Ditocoaf on Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:24 pm

samuelc812 wrote:Which Forum is that??
samuelc812 wrote:If you are talking about TNYB no i don't go in there much as i have never really felt the need ;)

I just meant the CC forums in general, but yes TNYB would be the place for that. About a third of the threads in there are debates about social and political issues; however they tend to degrade to flaming by page 4 or so.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby samuelc812 on Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:28 pm

exactly the reason i don't go in there for discussion, if this group is for clean discussion without flames and spam then i am in if not then i am not in ;)

I am active in the Tournaments and Map Forums though ;)
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Iliad on Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:48 pm

So in
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby mpjh on Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:56 pm

Never been to a real university -- let me in please
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby InsomniaRed on Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:55 am

I will join.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Skittles! on Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:39 am

This sounds pretty good.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Grooveman2007 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:08 am

In
The big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart.

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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby CrazyAnglican on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:36 am

In as well, please. Good luck with it.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby khazalid on Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:38 pm

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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Ditocoaf on Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:08 pm

Thanks all of you. I think we have enough people now to open up the forum? Or do we need one more.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:24 pm

Sounds good, I`m in as well.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:10 pm

If there's room, I would like to join.
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby samuelc812 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:20 pm

Ditocoaf wrote:Thanks all of you. I think we have enough people now to open up the forum? Or do we need one more.


You have enough ;)
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Ditocoaf on Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:38 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:If there's room, I would like to join.

There's always room. :)

Okay, we already have enough for a forum! I'll send in the request!
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Re: "The Real University" [forming][recruiting][social]

Postby Skittles! on Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:43 am

Awesome.
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Re: "The Real University" [recruiting][social]

Postby Curmudgeonx on Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:43 pm

In

And DM will be requesting membership also
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Re: "The Real University" [recruiting][social]

Postby jnd94 on Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:52 pm

Sounds cool. :) In please.
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Re: "The Real University" [recruiting][social]

Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:52 pm

I want in.
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Re: "The Real University" [recruiting][social]

Postby Skittles! on Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:47 am

Curmudgeonx wrote:In

And DM will be requesting membership also

DM tells me to thank you for your kind and thoughtful efforts on his behalf... he would indeed like 'in' to this organisation.
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