Rainman23 Abusing Turns [cleared]

[true2paintball]

Accused: Rainman23

Shrinky

The accused are suspected of:

Other: It is my belief that Rainman23 is abusing the rule that others can take turns for him. He has opened many sequential games and within a brief time period (less than a day) left and allowed someone else to be playing for him. The user "Shrinky" outlined above seems to be one of his favorite candidates. By allowing Shrinky to play for him, I believe he has broken the explicit rules found in help:

"You can, with the stipulation that the account babysitter is not your opponent in any current game and does not start or join new games (except for ongoing tournaments). It is common courtesy to announce in game chat that another player will take your turn(s) during your absence. Furthermore, you should only take another player's turn if they are in danger of missing a turn, not for the purpose of gaining a tactical advantage."



Game number(s):

Game 3140657
Game 3153173
Game 3150188
Game 3150188

The above games are ones where they definately were playing together and took turns for eachother. There are also far to many to list where Shrinky was not in the game but ended up taking Rainman23's turn or someone else did.

Comments:

[Shrinky]

a) He told our clan to take turns for him as he was not going to be able to take turns on those days.

b) The only games that i took turns for him were team games where we 2 were on the SAME team and games that did not feature 2 of us as opponents against each other (which is next to none)

c) Have you considered entering the games where we both were not on the same team and checking to see if i took turns in them??? I left them alone.


Got anything more to add?
I will gladly respond

[Shrinky]

And as for me being the favourite candidate for playing his turns, I'm actually one of the ppl in the clan with more time and hence i covered more games

[cowboyz]

I dont understand
Rain is on your team and someone else took his turn, which is legal btw, and you are complaining?
You would rather him miss turns?

[hiddendragon]

Another noob and another crap accusation...Be thankfull it was Shrinky, who is solid, not one of the great members of our clan...If a member in our group is having difficulty, for whaterever reason, our clan tries to assist...we assist one another from friendly advise to taking one anothers turns if need be...The only thing I ask my mates not to do is take turns for someone who is on the opposite side or team...I beg my mate to be honest and fair and they have been...Again, you should be thankfull ot was Shrinky assisting Rainman not me...

[true2paintball]

I have no problem with someone taking turns for someone in a game that has already begun but Rainman23 did not begin this game. The entire game has been played by at least one other player. This is shown because within the first 12 hours of the game's start, someone indicated that they were taking his turns.

Additionally, when I asked what the plan was within 3 hours of the game's start, whoever was taking his turns indicated that they had only played one time before (which is shown in their play). This leads me to believe that someone with significantly less experience than his rating indicated is taking his turns and therefore was a misrepresentation of who I would be playing with.

As for being a noob and all of that Dragon. I did not simply look for a reason to report this. I believe that it is an true misuse of the rules to knowingly sit in 10+ "waiting for player" status games while away for an extended period of time and then having people take turns for you when they are started.

[Shrinky]

Just because someone else took the turn within the first 12 hours does not mean they started it. It means they were taking turns in all the games that were waiting for him to play.

Please show which game u are referring to when u say that someone with less experience was playing there.
Just post the game number and the game chat log. I'd like to have a look at it.

And he has not been away for extended periods of time(just so u know) He's been having problems and hence taking turns irregularly. At least he is asking us to take turns for him so as to not inconvenience other people.

[Paddy The Cat]

rainman23 had an emergency unexpectadly and gave us (his clanmates) his password to take his turns

people arent allowed to have emergencies/a life?

[true2paintball]

Shrinky:

The game that I am referring to is one that I am currently participating in now. At one point you indicated that you were taking his turns but the other comments in bold do not represent your or rainman's play history. Game 3140657.

2008-08-31 15:08:53 - true2paintball [team]: what's the plan?
2008-08-31 20:04:46 - Phatscotty: or, you can take mosul.....blue is trapped in the bathist and had now way to get back in....maybe try a roll on it from tikrit without deploying
2008-08-31 20:05:38 - Phatscotty: i invented the question mark
2008-08-31 23:34:02 - Rainman23 [team]: only played 1 time
2008-09-01 18:58:52 - true2paintball [team]: h
2008-09-01 18:58:56 - true2paintball [team]: k
2008-09-02 03:52:07 - Rainman23 [team]: What paintball gun you have?
2008-09-02 07:07:35 - true2paintball [team]: evo
2008-09-09 08:12:42 - Rainman23: shrinky for rainman
2008-09-09 14:26:53 - true2paintball [team]: what?
2008-09-12 17:22:39 - true2paintball [team]: hey rain, you might want to drop on Ramadi and use it to take blue
2008-09-13 10:01:53 - Rainman23 [team]: k
2008-09-13 10:02:30 - Rainman23 [team]: crap wrong Ramadi
2008-09-14 08:39:42 - true2paintball [team]: no big just drop on the right one next round and then use the 5 on the city to fortify at the end
2008-09-14 08:42:15 - true2paintball [team]: besides it gave you an extra army this coming round
2008-09-16 05:35:03 - true2paintball [team]: Are your 5 armies stuck in the Ramadi City Loyalty then or are you able to fortify them to the Ramadi City?
2008-09-17 00:56:45 - Rainman23 [team]: stuck...
2008-09-17 01:02:01 - Rainman23 [team]: im trying to figure out this map I havent studied it enough
2008-09-17 01:04:21 - Joe B.: Yellow, tried to break Teal at Sulaymania, didn't do so well.
2008-09-17 01:06:15 - Joe B.: Unless green cuts through me, which might be a smart move, Teal is going to pull in 9 extra.
2008-09-17 01:06:52 - Joe B.: I'm leaving 1 on Dyala so maybe green helps too.
2008-09-17 04:00:13 - true2paintball: Very nice tactic orange, as you have 7 armies, are the weakest on the board and have been attacked repeatedly to put you within the realm of elimination, why not try and focus attention elsewhere?
2008-09-17 09:29:39 - true2paintball [team]: You need to get the Baathists in each city you control so that you can start pulling more armies. I need some help in taking back kurd
2008-09-18 00:24:48 - Joe B.: Teal, give me a break, you had 9 + coming, why shouldn't we team up to break you?
2008-09-18 00:25:12 - Joe B.: You don't like me, knock me out of the game.
2008-09-18 00:26:39 - Joe B.: At this point, red and green are the only 1's that really have a shot at you, I'm here as long as the ride lasts.
2008-09-18 00:27:39 - Joe B.: By the way, nice job green.
2008-09-20 07:49:22 - true2paintball [team]: is it possible for you to drop on Anbar and use it to take Salhaddan and then secure Ta'Mim to help defend that area so I can move my armies to the right side?
2008-09-21 01:53:13 - Rainman23 [team]: am I stuck with thos 5 rmies or what in city loyalties Ramidi?
2008-09-21 07:30:28 - true2paintball [team]: if it does not let you fortify them outwards then yes
2008-09-21 07:40:32 - true2paintball [team]: ***Note to self, hit one of Red's Al Queda Citys
2008-09-21 23:16:41 - Joe B.: Green, no place I could help this time, lost 4 straight trying to go though Anbar.
2008-09-21 23:20:16 - Joe B.: Maybe you can hit him at Niniwa through Salahadin and weaken him a little. Only leave 1 on Salahadin so yellow can come back through with his 11 from Adhamiya.
2008-09-21 23:22:50 - Joe B.: Again, if Teal holds, he has 10 coming.
2008-09-22 16:20:56 - true2paintball: Hey green, what do you say we work together to get orange off the board? You can hit him in Babil from one of your three boardering nations and pink can hit him in Karbala from Anbar?
2008-09-22 16:21:33 - true2paintball [team]: wait for green to confirm that he will accept the plan before hitting orange
2008-09-23 15:22:26 - Joe B.: Getting me off the board helps you teal, do you think green really thinks that's in his best interest?
2008-09-23 15:23:19 - Joe B.: Green was the only 1 who stepped up to the plate, obviously, he know's how to play.
2008-09-23 15:23:46 - Joe B.: I'm sure you can take me out all by yourself.
2008-09-23 15:24:20 - Joe B.: Yellow, what happened to you? Was hoping you would save the day.
2008-09-23 15:27:46 - Joe B.: Got good dice, but if you 2 don't step in and beat him up a little, he'll easily recover.
2008-09-23 15:29:14 - Joe B.: Green, if you can get a couple of lucky rolls, maybe you can get a few off teal at salahadan, then yellow can bust him up a little more.
2008-09-23 15:30:07 - Joe B.: This is our last chance guys, yellow, if you don't come through, end is near.
2008-09-24 06:18:48 - Dirk Diggler 54: got bad dice the last round
2008-09-24 07:31:59 - true2paintball [team]: Take out orange
2008-09-24 07:33:36 - true2paintball [team]: what are you doing anyway?
2008-09-24 07:34:08 - true2paintball: Hoq about the 7 red is pulling a round?
2008-09-24 07:34:22 - true2paintball: He and green are the strongest pair on the board right now
2008-09-24 08:44:36 - Phatscotty: you mean the 2...?
2008-09-24 15:33:45 - Rainman23 [team]: never played this map b4...
2008-09-24 16:43:52 - true2paintball [team]: are you using the installation that lets you see what attacks what and how to get bonuses?
2008-09-24 16:49:53 - true2paintball [team]: Ok p our points of defese to hold the bonus are the city if Tikrut, Province of Ramadi, Province of Salhaddin, and Dyala
2008-09-24 16:50:21 - true2paintball [team]: add armies to those areas, especially Dyala and Salhaddin. If they take one, build up defenses to take those areas back
2008-09-24 16:50:52 - true2paintball [team]: Unfortunately I think we already lost because orange will hit me this turn and then green will come through and finish the job
2008-09-24 17:36:21 - Joe B.: I think if everyone gives him 1 more round of beatings, he'll be in line.
2008-09-24 17:37:10 - Joe B.: Green and yellow, maybe you guys can put a hurtin on Salahadan.

Paddy The Cat:

Of course people can have lives, if you would have read the ENTIRE post you would see that I said I do not have a problem with people taking turns for others in an emergency. What I have a problem with is someone starting 10+ games, leaving and then having others start/finish the games for them. If it was an emergency, which is perfectly fine, then whoever takes his turns in existing games should drop the games that he is in that are "Waiting for Players" status. Otherwise people will join the games expecting to play with/against a certain ranked opponent and end up playing against someone with a different level of experience.

[Rainman23]

Having back problems the least most important thing to me is missing turns.I wasnt abusing turns.At least my clanmates said that they were playing for me.....maybe they shouldnt have been decent about it and told the game chat they were playing for me, then you would have no reason to make this post.I am the one that told you it was my first time playing that map and yes I suck at it more so on a crap load of pain medication perhaps you should speak to me in game chat before accusing.Just a thought.

[Shrinky]

The least important thing to us when we are taking someone's turn is to drop their awaiting games. We complete their active games and then leave.

If he knew that he was going to be away for a long period of time, then he would have dropped awaiting games.
But with emergencies, nothing is known in advance.

[true2paintball]

It really is not a good use of my time to have to sit here and continually respond to the same question over and over from various members of your clan I will discontinue posting here until a moderator has a chance to take a look into it. Unfortunately I know how clans work for various games and with my luck one of the moderators will be affiliated with the clan and therefore this will not even be looked at. Regardless of the outcome, please be mindful of others that you are playing with and be curtious.

[Shrinky]

Best idea you have come up with yet

Let the mods decide and fyi none of the mods are affiliated to us. In other words we have no pull with the mods.
So you can expect a fair ruling.

[Shrinky]

It really is not a good use of my time to have to sit here and continually respond to the same question over and over from various members of your clan I will discontinue posting here until a moderator has a chance to take a look into it. Unfortunately I know how clans work for various games and with my luck one of the moderators will be affiliated with the clan and therefore this will not even be looked at. Regardless of the outcome, please be mindful of others that you are playing with and be curtious.

We answered your question. You just don't want to accept those answers.

[ManBungalow]

It should be a fair decision, when it's made, but in the meantime maybe we should warn the accused to take their own turns, not play each other in public games etc...
It's not my decision

[Shrinky]

It should be a fair decision, when it's made, but in the meantime maybe we should warn the accused to take their own turns, not play each other in public games etc...
It's not my decision

The issue here is that he had an emergency and therefore we had to take his turns. So in other words you are saying that emergency be damned and let him miss turns?
I don't mean to sound harsh or rude but I want to be clear on your thinking.

As for not playing each other in public games.... well, we'll continue to play each other unless the admins say otherwise.(shouldn't be problem here as we don't have too many games with each other going on)

[king achilles]

Cleared.

It is very hard to prove if an account sitter allegedly joined new games for another account. I don't think there is a rule that a player should get someone who has the same ranking as he is to babysit for him. Of the games mentioned, one game the accountsitter was not in it, in the other two games, the accountsitter is not an opponent of the reported account. These actions are within the rules.