hmsps and others [cleared and noted]

[yuckfou]

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game # 3063765....2756127........look at these two.......i see hammertime is the sacrificial lamb for hmsps.


The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse
Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):

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Comments:

[hmsps]

HMSPS here, I am accused of being whatever this guy says i have done, I have played loads of games and only two with the co accused. yuckfou was probably irratated and i only responded after he started. I stick with my original assumption the guy is a tit

[gorban]

The manner in which these two conducted their attacks is very suspicious - sparingly attacking each other and then only after an accusation has come out of cheating that hammertime92 wins the game. As I've stated in the game that I share with yuckfou, it's a token show. Magicians have been misdirecting observer's gaze for centuries. Are they cheating? I've already said it. It's very suspicious.

[hmsps]

Gorban I am very suprised at you. I have played loads of games with you and this has never come to light. I am very disappointed you felt that way.

[HammerTime92]

its clear that yuckfou is just a bad player looking for excuses as to why he is loosing. if you look at the game log, it is apparent that for much of the game, hmps and I were not in any position to attack one another. i was located in S. America. hmps was somewhere in India / East Asia. the other players had territories in between each of us.

the first time hmps and I came in direct contact was when i conquered mexico and hawaii from green. at that point i was trying to eliminate the silver player... so i chose Not to attack into Asia. the reason was b/c that would have been a Poor strategy move. i'm sure yuckfou cannot appreciate that point, considering his record.

finally, the fact i eliminated hmps last is irrelevant. you don't lose any fewer points for being the last player eliminated.

yuckfou simply came to a false conclusion based upon one fact -- that hmps and I hadn't attacked each other as much as he would have liked. boo hoo. he should realize that attacking all of your opponents equally isn't necessarily a good strategy.

[hmsps]

I realise now that i have discovered time travel, I am a multi both here in the UK and in the USA. I would possibly use those powers for better things than CC.

[gorban]

HMSPS,

I have played many, many games with you. Until this last game with you and hammertime92 I have never seen anything suspicious from you. But, I have never been in any game with hammertime92 before now and could come to no suspicions about cheating - multi or secret alliances. This suspicion - and that's all it is imo, a suspicion - isn't just based on this one game. It's based on two games where there have been similar strategies and similar attack patterns. Don't take that to mean exactly the same strategies and attack patterns - just similar.

You are a very talented player and I have great respect for your ability to play. This is the first time i've even had some form of suspicion of cheating. All i ask is that you look at this from yuckfou's position and mine. With this said, I hope to see you in more games. You are a worthy opponent.

Gorban

[yuckfou]

hmsps and hammertime........
gorban said it.....my observation is based on two games, not one!!!
i'm not one to just sit back and keep my mouth shut when i see something that gets my attention.........not in real life or on the internet, i call it the way i see it.
if this gets me called a whiner, a tit or an a-hole...so be it.
yes. i have only been on cc for a little over a month now, i can take being beat and i can accept just about any strategy.....but i can't accept coincidence, i don't believe in that concept.
if you weren't cheating, then i say good game.......if you were cheating, it will be known.
no hard feelings here.......i'll kick your ass next game!!!! that's the way i see it.

[SlayerQC]

I realise now that i have discovered time travel, I am a multi both here in the UK and in the USA. I would possibly use those powers for better things than CC.

I think there's a way to pick the flag it shows.
I might be wrong.
IF im right, your statement is then false. (logically)

[hmsps]

Yuckfou

Your comments are noted. You cant accept coincidence? That is a very strange thing to say. Anyhow, if I could be bothered (which I can't) I would analyse your games and gorbans games more closely. You both play a lot of games together, I have played 2 with Hammertime, that is coincidence. You have played many with Gorban, is that a coincidence or something more. I have no hard feelings either. What i do object to is crap ratings when they are not justified maybe its just a sore loser thing. Also what I cant get away with is that if you really thought we were cheating, fill the form in then we can get this sorted once and for good. The moderators can check the IP addresses look at the 2 games and let us know what they think. You seem to have strong views so fill the form in and then we can draw a line under this sorry incident. I have played over 600 games and if i did have a multi (like some), I would be top of the tree.

[mccallan25]

What a croak. In no way does Hmsps cheat. I have played with the gentleman perhaps even as many as a hundred games. He has more honor then anyone here. If you take the time and realize how many games he plays and is in at one time you realize he loves to play the game. If he wins great if he loses great...it all doesn't matter since we can always start another game. That in itself makes cheating illogical and not worth the time. A win or loss means nothing.

I too having foed the one who started this thread thinks this is a ridiculous accusation. Too bad we can't try this in my court room.

[mwaser]

Accused:
hmsps
atax


The accused are suspected of: Being Multis

Game number(s):
Game 3235131


Comments:
Check out the log. In four turns out of five, their turns are interspersed with one frequently leading the way so that the other can clean up his singletons and get a block OR so that they can kill another player (check out how Andre Luiz died).

If they aren't a multi, then they live in the same house with two computers . . . .

[mwaser]

I also note from his profile that this is apparently not the first time hmsps has been accused of this.

[atax]

Its a team (doubles) game Mwasar. I know HMSPS and we time our turns to go together, Thats the best way to do it. As for HMSPS being accused before, i wasnt even in the game and the claim was a heap of crap anyway. Why dont you check out a few more games and see how others do it. And check your facts before insulting people. (PS have you never heard of MSN)

[hmsps]

All i can say to this post is the guy is obviously an idiot. It is a team game and we take our turns together like many team players do. Personally i am getting sick of this. Please Mwaser fill in the form like i told yuckfou to do and we can have this sorted once and for all.

[mccallan25]

You can't be serious! Laughing...hsmps time to foe that one... Looking at my games now... I must be a multi too since I have at least 15 guys that regularly play my games and we usually sit at our computers all day taking back to back turns. Better yet hsmps must be me! Haven't you ever looked at our games together! Ridiculous.

[setti]

Accused:
hmsps
RedWolf2565

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis or Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Other: During this game; one has gone, and then when his turn was over the other would go with in a minute or two of the other. I suspect they are multis.

Game number:

Game 3248156

[hmsps]

What another tit, look at the game log, scan my PM's etc, I want the moderators to come forward NOW and sort this out once and for all. I have been accused on no less than 3 occassions by obviously ill educated ignoramus and it is no longer funny. I came online to play the game hard and fair and to win and this sort of shit is putting me well off. People who accuse others who are found to be wrong in their accusation should be deducted points. This would make them think carefully before making stupid accusations based on one game. I would like a moderators quick response on this.

HMSPS

[atax]

Thanks for this. It was bad enough that prat MWASER making a false claim in a team game. Now another idiot makes a stupid claim probably because he saw mwasers post, wasnt doing to well in his game and thought yeah lets jump on the bandwagon. I have had a look at the game and yes he took his turn a couple of times right after the other. Then again so did you. ARE YOU A MULTI?, Most of the time there was a clear break between turns but i guess that dosnt count. HMSPS has been a good friend of mine for over 20 years and is one of the most honest people i know. far to honest to cheat in a game that would rob him of any pride in his victorys. So ask yourself. are you being fair slandering someone for nothing. Look at the game and think about it. Then be a man and apologise. Because at this moment you have someone thinking about jacking in somthing he enjoys because he dosnt need the hassle of people callling him a cheat.

[setti]

First off, calling me a tit and other names because I said POSSIBLE multis is the bad form here. I followed the rules after seeing multiple times in the same game. If the Mods find that he is not a multi, or can not prove it than I will apologize for the accusation. Now why don't you apologize?

As for this MWASER thing... I do not even know what you are talking about, so you are wrong on that. Perhaps you do not know nearly as much as you claim to.

[lancehoch]

I have consolidated the three threads concerning hmsps: hmsps and hammertime92 [No Form] by yuckfou 8/21-8/28; hmsps and atax by mwaser 9/14; Possible Multis! by setti 9/15

Names of Accused:

• hmsps
• HammerTime92
• atax
• RedWolf2565

Suspected of: Being Multis

Related Games:

• Game 2756127
• Game 3063765
• Game 3235131
• Game 3248156

Comments: See thread

EDIT: reserded = reserved when you cannot spell and are typing quickly.

[hmsps]

What does reserded mean? i have checked the dictionary and cant find it?

[hmsps]

ok no worries, i await your report.

[mccallan25]

It is interesting how very few of us older gentlemen are on here. I know hsmps, atax, camone, King James and more than a few others that I usually play with have put some time between our younger years of youth and now. Having said that, this game I know for us is about passing some spare moments throughout our day and competing. Sure we will win some and lose some but it's about the thrill of the game and the competition. All of us have achieved whatever goals we had in life and are intelligent enough that if we wanted to be a cheat, we easily could. But for our generation, it was never a thought for men that have honor. If you cheat you are only competing with yourself rendering the verdict of the game useless since you are only trying to beat yourself. There's no cash reward for winning nor gain. Statistics mean nothing.

Another thing to realize is to cheat takes time Hsmps usually has around 50+ games going and do you know what kind of time it takes to play that many during a day and play well? I usually play nearly 30 and it takes more time than I should ever devote to this.

Cheating kills the game. If you cheat you can easily win this game and therefore make the game being played worthless. This whole logic above will fly over most heads I am sure since they don't understand what being a gentleman is since they have not encountered one in their life. In this day of video games with magazines devoted to “cheat” codes it has become the norm and mainstream. The honor of achievement and personal success it seems is lost to the newer generations when competing.

They have the ability to trace an IP of course so hopefully the site will and end these accusations. I personally love looking for multi's. Being a judge I have spent most of my life deciding innocence or guilt. So having played with him so much and chatting on and off as we try to kill each other, I can easily reach my verdict that he is indeed innocent.

On another note I would love to purchase this site. If ever given the chance I would make one major change and that is to be able to exclude “freemiums” (as an option when we create games) from being able to play with those of us that pay to play. Because the main reason someone has multiple accounts is to play more games since they are limited to 4. As you can see it’s rare for someone that actually pays to play to cheat with multi’s.

[Bruceswar]

I took a look here. Nothing to see here, other than sour grapes from some losers. Move along...