Soo...we're all going to die...apparently

[Snorri1234]

Looks like some people didn't read the topic at hand properly. Allow a humble mad scientist to put you lot to rights.

A) Actually the scientists there are thinking that black holes will be created during the experiment, but they will be so small and unstable that they will disappear instantly.

B) You can neither see a black hole, nor will it be painful to fall into one. All your atoms will be ripped apart at the speed of light. Whether they rearrange on the other side is another matter....

C) This experiment isn't just to find the Higgs Particle. Some "spin-off" results could mean cures for cancer, plus a way to dispose of nuclear waste cleanly.

thats nice.

A. they still have no real idea what will happen. no one has ever created a black hole, so how can there be any predictions as to the outcome of having created one.

There is not enough mass to sustain it.

[Neoteny]

Looks like some people didn't read the topic at hand properly. Allow a humble mad scientist to put you lot to rights.

A) Actually the scientists there are thinking that black holes will be created during the experiment, but they will be so small and unstable that they will disappear instantly.

B) You can neither see a black hole, nor will it be painful to fall into one. All your atoms will be ripped apart at the speed of light. Whether they rearrange on the other side is another matter....

C) This experiment isn't just to find the Higgs Particle. Some "spin-off" results could mean cures for cancer, plus a way to dispose of nuclear waste cleanly.

thats nice.

A. they still have no real idea what will happen. no one has ever created a black hole, so how can there be any predictions as to the outcome of having created one.

There is not enough mass to sustain it.

Duh. The mass is created out of nothing.

Are we dead yet?

[comic boy]

Damn those scientists,if it isnt specifically aproved in the Old Testament then it is clearly the work of Lucifer.


Note : 87.4 % of all Americans believe the above to be an eminently sensible statement

[Frigidus]

I don't get why any Christians would be afraid of this, they're guaranteed an apocalypse in which the forces of evil battle the forces of good. There's no black hole in the Bible, why worry?

[jonesthecurl]

God doesn't want us to cheat and destroy the world ahead od schedule. We might - we have free will. Apparently.

[duday53]

So the scientists are trying to re-create the big boom right? I think I watched a show on it. The way I see it, if they get the machine operational in 2012 we will die.

Perhaps if there is a god then it will step in and stop us from destroying ourselves

Edit: Sorry I didn't read MM's post before this, I agree with what he says...plus this^^

[mandalorian2298]

Looks like some people didn't read the topic at hand properly. Allow a humble mad scientist to put you lot to rights.

A) Actually the scientists there are thinking that black holes will be created during the experiment, but they will be so small and unstable that they will disappear instantly.

B) You can neither see a black hole, nor will it be painful to fall into one. All your atoms will be ripped apart at the speed of light. Whether they rearrange on the other side is another matter....

C) This experiment isn't just to find the Higgs Particle. Some "spin-off" results could mean cures for cancer, plus a way to dispose of nuclear waste cleanly.

thats nice.

A. they still have no real idea what will happen. no one has ever created a black hole, so how can there be any predictions as to the outcome of having created one.

There is not enough mass to sustain it.

Things that produce enough gravity to draw even photons into themselves, tend to gain weight kind of quick.

The way I see it, they will either fail to produce a black hole, or it's duck-and-cover time.

[duday53]

Looks like some people didn't read the topic at hand properly. Allow a humble mad scientist to put you lot to rights.

A) Actually the scientists there are thinking that black holes will be created during the experiment, but they will be so small and unstable that they will disappear instantly.

B) You can neither see a black hole, nor will it be painful to fall into one. All your atoms will be ripped apart at the speed of light. Whether they rearrange on the other side is another matter....

C) This experiment isn't just to find the Higgs Particle. Some "spin-off" results could mean cures for cancer, plus a way to dispose of nuclear waste cleanly.

thats nice.

A. they still have no real idea what will happen. no one has ever created a black hole, so how can there be any predictions as to the outcome of having created one.

There is not enough mass to sustain it.

Things that produce enough gravity to draw even photons into themselves, tend to gain weight kind of quick.

The way I see it, they will either fail to produce a black hole, or it's duck-and-cover time.

QFT

(In 2012)

[william18]

Im a bit exicted. If all goes well and the results exceed expectations that that means space colonization,force fields, energy barriers, it will all become possible (theoretically).

[Snorri1234]

Things that produce enough gravity to draw even photons into themselves, tend to gain weight kind of quick.

Hmm. The problem is creating the hole. To actually make it stable enough you have to put a lot of mass into a very tiny space, which I don't think is likely to happen here.

[Snorri1234]

Things that produce enough gravity to draw even photons into themselves, tend to gain weight kind of quick.

Hmm. The problem is creating the hole. To actually make it stable enough you have to put a lot of mass into a very tiny space, which I don't think is likely to happen here.

Anyway, I'm not a physicist. Anyone know anything about this for reals?

[Ryall55]

But scientists reckon if enough are created they may become stable

[Snorri1234]

But scientists reckon if enough are created they may become stable

Some scientists.

[Shatners Bassoon]

http://quegrande.org/countdown/

[Ditocoaf]

They are not trying to make a black hole.

They are not trying to re-create the Big Bang.

They are smashing particles together to (among other things) a) see what they're made of, b) see how certain things react and c) attempt to force subatomic particles into new elements and configurations. It's like taking apart a watch to see how it works, but with the building blocks of matter and energy. The "black hole" theory: if a lot of matter was forced into a really dense space, it could theoretically cause a black hole. But that's not what they're doing. If there were as many of these machines as there are people who play lotteries, then it might happen by some freak chance. But there aren't. It'd be like taking apart a watch to see how it works, having a spring shoot out and hit you in the eye, causing you to fall into the fireplace, burning down the entire city.

Seriously, if you don't have a PhD in physics or something similar, you don't have any grounds to comment on the risks (this includes me). None of us here have any real clue what's going on. If there was the slightest real risk, there would be a large debate among the scientists involved about whether the experiments were ethical. But the only people worried are people who don't know what they're talking about.

As the molecules of our atmosphere move randomly, there is an incredibly small chance that all of them would end up in one half of the room, suffocating everyone in the other side. We can even calculate that probability. Better start buying some oxygen tanks, huh? Also, don't buy mechanical watches.

[duday53]

They are not trying to make a black hole.

They are not trying to re-create the Big Bang.

They are smashing particles together to (among other things) a) see what they're made of, b) see how certain things react and c) attempt to force subatomic particles into new elements and configurations. It's like taking apart a watch to see how it works, but with the building blocks of matter and energy. The "black hole" theory: if a lot of matter was forced into a really dense space, it could theoretically cause a black hole. But that's not what they're doing. If there were as many of these machines as there are people who play lotteries, then it might happen by some freak chance. But there aren't. It'd be like taking apart a watch to see how it works, having a spring shoot out and hit you in the eye, causing you to fall into the fireplace, burning down the entire city.

Seriously, if you don't have a PhD in physics or something similar, you don't have any grounds to comment on the risks (this includes me). None of us here have any real clue what's going on. If there was the slightest real risk, there would be a large debate among the scientists involved about whether the experiments were ethical. But the only people worried are people who don't know what they're talking about.

As the molecules of our atmosphere move randomly, there is an incredibly small chance that all of them would end up in one half of the room, suffocating everyone in the other side. We can even calculate that probability. Better start buying some oxygen tanks, huh? Also, don't buy mechanical watches.

But particles colliding/smashing together is a theory of how big bang was created(if there was a big bang). Right? I don't know for sure...I'm making an educated guess.

[ParadiceCity9]

I'd love to see a black hole up close, even if I might be screaming in anguish and panicking.

Ya I think that would be the best way to go. Think about it. You wouldn't really feel anything, and it would be an amazing sight.

[Ditocoaf]

They are not trying to make a black hole.

They are not trying to re-create the Big Bang.

They are smashing particles together to (among other things) a) see what they're made of, b) see how certain things react and c) attempt to force subatomic particles into new elements and configurations. It's like taking apart a watch to see how it works, but with the building blocks of matter and energy. The "black hole" theory: if a lot of matter was forced into a really dense space, it could theoretically cause a black hole. But that's not what they're doing. If there were as many of these machines as there are people who play lotteries, then it might happen by some freak chance. But there aren't. It'd be like taking apart a watch to see how it works, having a spring shoot out and hit you in the eye, causing you to fall into the fireplace, burning down the entire city.

Seriously, if you don't have a PhD in physics or something similar, you don't have any grounds to comment on the risks (this includes me). None of us here have any real clue what's going on. If there was the slightest real risk, there would be a large debate among the scientists involved about whether the experiments were ethical. But the only people worried are people who don't know what they're talking about.

As the molecules of our atmosphere move randomly, there is an incredibly small chance that all of them would end up in one half of the room, suffocating everyone in the other side. We can even calculate that probability. Better start buying some oxygen tanks, huh? Also, don't buy mechanical watches.

But particles colliding/smashing together is a theory of how big bang was created(if there was a big bang). Right? I don't know for sure...I'm making an educated guess.

Big Bang Theory in a nutshell: Looking at the state of the universe as it is now, and reverse engineering everything based on different kinds of energy levels and motion, we can tell that apparently everything has been expanding from an original size of "really really small". That amount of mass, condensed that small, would have so much pressure that it would explode, hurling the matter and energy in all directions, traveling further apart like everything is now. That's all we can really tell (we don't know what could have "caused" the big bang), since we can only look at the results from the big bang, not at the event itself.

[duday53]

They are not trying to make a black hole.

They are not trying to re-create the Big Bang.

They are smashing particles together to (among other things) a) see what they're made of, b) see how certain things react and c) attempt to force subatomic particles into new elements and configurations. It's like taking apart a watch to see how it works, but with the building blocks of matter and energy. The "black hole" theory: if a lot of matter was forced into a really dense space, it could theoretically cause a black hole. But that's not what they're doing. If there were as many of these machines as there are people who play lotteries, then it might happen by some freak chance. But there aren't. It'd be like taking apart a watch to see how it works, having a spring shoot out and hit you in the eye, causing you to fall into the fireplace, burning down the entire city.

Seriously, if you don't have a PhD in physics or something similar, you don't have any grounds to comment on the risks (this includes me). None of us here have any real clue what's going on. If there was the slightest real risk, there would be a large debate among the scientists involved about whether the experiments were ethical. But the only people worried are people who don't know what they're talking about.

As the molecules of our atmosphere move randomly, there is an incredibly small chance that all of them would end up in one half of the room, suffocating everyone in the other side. We can even calculate that probability. Better start buying some oxygen tanks, huh? Also, don't buy mechanical watches.

But particles colliding/smashing together is a theory of how big bang was created(if there was a big bang). Right? I don't know for sure...I'm making an educated guess.

Big Bang Theory in a nutshell: Looking at the state of the universe as it is now, and reverse engineering everything based on different kinds of energy levels and motion, we can tell that apparently everything has been expanding from an original size of "really really small". That amount of mass, condensed that small, would have so much pressure that it would explode, hurling the matter and energy in all directions, traveling further apart like everything is now. That's all we can really tell (we don't know what could have "caused" the big bang), since we can only look at the results from the big bang, not at the event itself.

That clears it up

Thanks a lot.

[jiminski]

heheh .. don't forget the 'Dark Matter' ... to make the theory cohesive they had to add a purely theoretical 'thing' or the sums don't add up.

[duday53]

This is about the entire thing. The science, what they are hoping to do, how it works, etc :
http://ncronline3.org/drupal/?q=node/1786


This is a link to an article about how it will be "safe" :
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008 ... ml?ref=rss

EDIT:

This is another story, but this one is about how religion ties in. "The search for the God particle"

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/ ... nbach-text

[Phobia]

doesn't it start in 6 hours?

[Snorri1234]

doesn't it start in 6 hours?

You can get all my gear when I don't wake up tomorrow.

[Skittles!]

heheh .. don't forget the 'Dark Matter' ... to make the theory cohesive they had to add a purely theoretical 'thing' or the sums don't add up.

Dark Energy as well.

[Ditocoaf]

This is one situation where links to news articles are meaningless. Only reporters who are physicists themselves should do commentary, and the only sources that reporters should use are people directly connected to the project.