Scott-land [Cleared]

[wrestler1ump]

i have to admit max after looking at your games you don't have room to talk.
you are a sad sad little man playing all those blue question marks

Someone takes this game a little too seriously. Why the need to call him a sad little man because he plays question marked players? I love fishing for points off worthless n00bs, and I have no shame in doing it.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

the last 8 player game I played was with Bruce and Scott. Bruce purposely suicide attacked me before I could finish eliminating Scott. The attack left us both extrmely weak to the point we were both eliminated that very same round. The attack was done out of spite just so Scott could win. I will supply the game number later tonight. Bruce was added to ignore for the BS attack. I got to admitt, this issue ran through my head numerous times especially when I see these 2 playing all those games together.

[This Is Sparta]

Solid evidence, good work.

[wrestler1ump]

I love how Scott tells us to keep things on topic, then goes off on a tangent about clickable maps in an attempt to distract us from talking about his cheating.

[poo-maker]

That is a truely pathetic accusation.

The games and reasons that you have provided as evidence that Scott and Bruce cheat together are moronic. I fail to see any real evidence in the first seq game you provided that supports your accusation of cheating. It is a normal strategy to join after players who you think will miss blocks and will take big risks in a game. The fact is that Bruce only took 1 territory on the turn before he was killed. On the turn that Scott killed Bruce, Scott went for 17 and 4 vs 19,1 to kill him (i know this because george posted it in game chat). Do you really think that Scott would go for a 50% chance kill on Bruce, especially if they had a secret alliance together? The answer to my question is of course, "no i don't". We all know that you don't really believe in your own accusations.

As far as I can see, the rest of the games that you provided are freestyle speed. Everyone makes mistakes in them and I can't even remember the last game that I played in where i didn't make a mistake worthy of the list of them that you compiled that Bruce made. Any evidence of cheating in freestyle speed is ridiculously hard to prove. I had a look at the first freestyle speed game that you provided and this is the log 2 minutes leading upto Scott's first kill and therefore, the start of his "easy wipe".

2008-08-28 09:52:58 - InsomniaRed deployed 1 armies on Central America
2008-08-28 09:53:02 - InsomniaRed deployed 1 armies on India
2008-08-28 09:53:05 - InsomniaRed deployed 1 armies on Scandinavia
2008-08-28 09:53:07 - InsomniaRed attacked Ukraine from Scandinavia and conquered it from MrMoody
2008-08-28 09:53:16 - InsomniaRed gets a card
2008-08-28 09:53:28 - Bruceswar cashed in a set of Middle East, Eastern Australia, and Indonesia worth 12 armies
2008-08-28 09:53:28 - Bruceswar gets bonus of 2 armies added to Middle East
2008-08-28 09:53:29 - Bruceswar deployed 15 armies on Alberta
2008-08-28 09:53:29 - Scott-Land cashed in a set of Ukraine, China, and Argentina worth 15 armies
2008-08-28 09:53:29 - Scott-Land gets bonus of 2 armies added to China
2008-08-28 09:53:30 - Bruceswar attacked Ontario from Alberta and conquered it from EckoJ
2008-08-28 09:53:30 - Buizerd gets a card
2008-08-28 09:53:30 - Scott-Land deployed 18 armies on Afghanistan
2008-08-28 09:53:31 - EckoJ cashed in a set of India, Ontario, and Western Europe worth 20 armies
2008-08-28 09:53:31 - EckoJ gets bonus of 2 armies added to Western Europe
2008-08-28 09:53:31 - Scott-Land attacked Ukraine from Afghanistan and conquered it from InsomniaRed
2008-08-28 09:53:32 - EckoJ deployed 20 armies on North Africa
2008-08-28 09:53:33 - Bruceswar gets a card
2008-08-28 09:53:33 - Scott-Land gets a card
2008-08-28 09:53:34 - MrMoody ran out of time
2008-08-28 09:53:34 - EckoJ ran out of time
2008-08-28 09:53:34 - Incrementing game to round 8
2008-08-28 09:53:36 - Buizerd receives 2 armies for holding Oceania
2008-08-28 09:53:36 - Buizerd receives 3 armies for 9 territories
2008-08-28 09:53:36 - EckoJ receives 2 armies for holding South America
2008-08-28 09:53:36 - EckoJ receives 3 armies for 9 territories
2008-08-28 09:53:36 - MrMoody receives 3 armies for 3 territories
2008-08-28 09:53:39 - Scott-Land receives 3 armies for 6 territories
2008-08-28 09:53:43 - Scott-Land deployed 3 armies on Western United States
2008-08-28 09:53:46 - Bruceswar receives 3 armies for 7 territories
2008-08-28 09:53:53 - Scott-Land attacked Eastern United States from Western United States and conquered it from MrMoody
2008-08-28 09:53:55 - Scott-Land attacked Northern Europe from Ukraine and conquered it from MrMoody
2008-08-28 09:53:57 - Scott-Land attacked Southern Europe from Northern Europe and conquered it from MrMoody
2008-08-28 09:53:57 - Scott-Land eliminated MrMoody from the game


I'm an expert at speed freestyle and I sure as hell don't see anything odd there. I bet you didn't either. But I'm sure that the game number and the little comment you provided helped to make the huge list of so-called "cheating" very compelling.

The comments part of the accusation is solely evidence that Scott is a much better player than Bruce. I checked my map rank with the same settings against Bruce and it came out to +539 Won 20 from 43(47%). So, in 8 player speed freestyle games against Bruce, I actually have won 2% more games against him than Scott has. I guess this makes me a cheater too.

You and I both know that Scott and Bruce (and Insom for that matter) don't cheat. This is just a lame attempt to get back at Scott and Bruce for the "maxatstuy" thread.

My advice for the mods is to lock this thread and to issue Kingofgods a warning for a bullshit accusation that wasted the mods time.

[Frop]

This thread deserves the same amount of attention as for instance Max's thread. However, I'm not a freestyle speed expert - I can only say this looks a lot like unintentional favouritism amongst higher ranked players, but it's not limited to Bruce, Scott or any number of reported games. We're just icky, yucky humans.

[RashidJelzin]

I have a hard time believing that KingOfGods would be coming up with something so spiteful, based on vapid accusations that hold zero to none ground... in the past, and I've played my fair share of games with KG, I've always considered him one of the very nicest players on this site (still do, actually, since I don't believe that this is KG).
Of all players- why would KingOfGods consider Scott being a cheat? I mean- I've never EVER heard or read KG posting ANYTHING bad about another player, much less Scott... and now he's turning against a fellow player he's played 80+ games with? Err- I can't be the only person seeing something weird there, can I?
If you check some of their games- you will find that KG is one of the players Scott has a lot of respect for- and vice versa. So to me, it makes little to no sense that KG would do something like THAT- that's way out of character. And most people that know KG to a certain degree will agree.
If you're actually turning on Scott 'cause of some fanboy's petty vendetta, I'm disappointed- however I don't think you are.
What a coincidence; KG's account posting the same shit maxatstuy has been blabbering about for days now. Max has KG's password... hmmm.

Oh yeah, back to the actual topic (I subconsciously confused this with maxatstuys thread- you know, babysitting abuse...):
Bruce & Scott, secret alliance?
Uhh... that's so dumb. Scott can't help it if Bruce simply pulls a lot of dumb moves (no offense, but that's just the case) and benefits from it- I myself have scooped up the remains of a few kills Bruce missed, or have stolen them. You fail to realize- the quickest and smartest player in the lineup gets the steal- 'cause Bruce used to be so damn slow, his kills were stolen frequently- and not only by Scott. It's just the fact that both players played a lot- one of them lost most of the time, the other won 4/10. It doesn't have anything to do with cheating, when one is bad (sry Bruce, just my opinion of your plays at times), and the other is VERY good.

[Bruceswar]

the last 8 player game I played was with Bruce and Scott. Bruce purposely suicide attacked me before I could finish eliminating Scott. The attack left us both extrmely weak to the point we were both eliminated that very same round. The attack was done out of spite just so Scott could win. I will supply the game number later tonight. Bruce was added to ignore for the BS attack. I got to admitt, this issue ran through my head numerous times especially when I see these 2 playing all those games together.

JR I will make this short and sweet for you. Check the logs, chat and game. You will see where you took 6 of my men in North America. (Alaska to be exact) I then next round took you out of Asia. This had nothing to do with scott. This was mearly between me and you. Foe me if you like, for hitting you back after you took out a large stack without reason, but to say I would do that for scott is nuts. Ask any of the regular 8 man speed players. You take out a stack in 5 round before even a 4 cash is laid down, more often than not you are going to lose a stack in return later on. Ask Prank, he used to be the king of hitting people back for taking him out of Aussie, NA, or where ever. These are not team games, JR where hitting big stacks early is a good idea. This is singles Escalating. If I remember correctly you talked about Isolating me, well taking you out of Asia surely did that for you.

Now if you want to talk about winning percentages and 8 man free Speed games, shall we have a look at yours? You have gone 0 for 6. 0% In fact I have only played in 2 games with you of this style and won 1. Anyhow this is not about you JR, but as we can see you must not be doing something right. A quick look shows me you took out 1 player in 6 games.

Like I said JR, foe me if you like. That is OK, I would rather not play with you anyhow. Nobody likes people who take out stacks, early in singles escalating games. BTW if you think I am the only person who has hit someone back, you might wanna check with Fable, Prank, and others. Many players have done it many times over, so either expect it, or do not hit big stacks early.

[Bruceswar]

Rashid, you are not the only person who was shocked KG would post this. I woke up this morning to come to this. This is nothing like KG at all, but totally like Max. I would not know what Max has been saying lately as he is on my ignore. I did figure he would try and retaliate on me, scott, or Insom in some way. As you also said my plays are poor sometimes, and I used to be slow as hell. I would constantly get kills stolen, from all the regs, you, fable, poo, scott, or whoever. My speed was just not up to par. I can take the fact others are better at this game than me. I never once claimed to be good at this game. Regardless of what rank I am. 8 man freestyle is all about speed and timing. Well sure you have to have the mind to make good plays but if you are slow your plays become steals for other players.

To anybody looking from the outside in everybody within the 8 man speed free realm, will tell you what I have just said. This is nothing more than sour grapes from Max.

[Prankcall]

I think you guys are defending Scott great as any friend should.However I don't care if so called speed freestyle experts come in and try telling me differently,I dont need anybody to confirm what I know.That Scott is never killed by Bruce or Insomnia Red.Instead of shooting people's accusations down with just saying he is a better player than Bruce(which he is)why dont you come with some evidence of them killing Scott in his last 100 games make that 150 if you like.I already said in my first post you will be very hard pressed to find such evidence unless Scott went for some1 missed and left himself to weak to not be killed,or some1 who does play to win tried killing Scott and they stole it,other than those 2 instances of it happening one of them 2 players never kill Scott.Poo you have played tops 200 8 man speed games on classic map Scott has played over 1200(pay attention here)he is averaging a 33% win rate vs any and all players on Classic map.However when you map rank him against all the supposed topped rank freestyle players you will notice he is roughly a 26% except against Rashid who carries a 47% win rate Scott also jumps to a high 40's with Rashid in the game(which blows you&Fable out the water with you 2 averaging the next highest with 37%)vs all challengers.He jumps to a high 40 something vs Bruce, Rashid,and a mid 40 something vs Insomnia Red.You guys can argue all you like Im dealing with numbers here not arguing.That could be explained by a number of things for instance lets say he is faster than every1(he probably is) but that does not explain why Bruce and Insomnia Red never kill him or ATTEMPT to kill him when the math tells them to.Maybe they dont wanna piss off their friend so they dont,I have no idea what reasoning they tell themselves except after seeing them eliminated by Scott you can always hear their chants in the backround Go Scott Go!!The point I am trying to make here is if I had 2 friends I knew would not attack me or kill me or try to stop me from sweeping the map(As is the case here) it would give me an added advantage do you not think so?Now let me be VERY CLEAR here I am not saying they talked hey dont attack Scott and let him win.No I dont think they are guilty of any such thing,however i think they are guilty of an unspoken thing to never kill Scott.I have played to many games versus all 3 of them to not have an opinion.You know back when krusher was climbing the Scoreboard,when he won games against me where someone did some retarded ass shit i felt like I was cheated,it gives me the same feeling when Scott cashes in on their mistakes or lack of blocks when they clearly never miss them if its him being killed.This site is a biased friendship,no1 to hold one another accountable for their actions or lack of actions.

[Bruceswar]

For those who are interested here are a number of games where me and scott were in that I won. In most all the games I kill scott. This list was given to me by someone else, so please feel free to have a look.

Game 1866009
Game 2076828
Game 2077086
Game 2130102
Game 2199859
Game 2200088
Game 2217858
Game 2237910
Game 2252678
Game 2319740
Game 2401962
Game 2413954
Game 2441405
Game 2737600
Game 2762927
Game 2899531
Game 2905571
Game 2913494
Game 2954542
Game 2964529
Game 3039170

[poo-maker]

I think you guys are defending Scott great as any friend should.However I don't care if so called speed freestyle experts come in and try telling me differently,I dont need anybody to confirm what I know.That Scott is never killed by Bruce or Insomnia Red.Instead of shooting people's accusations down with just saying he is a better player than Bruce(which he is)why dont you come with some evidence of them killing Scott in his last 100 games make that 150 if you like.I already said in my first post you will be very hard pressed to find such evidence unless Scott went for some1 missed and left himself to weak to not be killed,or some1 who does play to win tried killing Scott and they stole it,other than those 2 instances of it happening one of them 2 players never kill Scott.Poo you have played tops 200 8 man speed games on classic map Scott has played over 1200(pay attention here)he is averaging a 33% win rate vs any and all players on Classic map.However when you map rank him against all the supposed topped rank freestyle players you will notice he is roughly a 26% except against Rashid who carries a 47% win rate Scott also jumps to a high 40's with Rashid in the game(which blows you&Fable out the water with you 2 averaging the next highest with 37%)vs all challengers.He jumps to a high 40 something vs Bruce, Rashid,and a mid 40 something vs Insomnia Red.You guys can argue all you like Im dealing with numbers here not arguing.That could be explained by a number of things for instance lets say he is faster than every1(he probably is) but that does not explain why Bruce and Insomnia Red never kill him or ATTEMPT to kill him when the math tells them to.Maybe they dont wanna piss off their friend so they dont,I have no idea what reasoning they tell themselves except after seeing them eliminated by Scott you can always hear their chants in the backround Go Scott Go!!The point I am trying to make here is if I had 2 friends I knew would not attack me or kill me or try to stop me from sweeping the map(As is the case here) it would give me an added advantage do you not think so?Now let me be VERY CLEAR here I am not saying they talked hey dont attack Scott and let him win.No I dont think they are guilty of any such thing,however i think they are guilty of an unspoken thing to never kill Scott.I have played to many games versus all 3 of them to not have an opinion.You know back when krusher was climbing the Scoreboard,when he won games against me where someone did some retarded ass shit i felt like I was cheated,it gives me the same feeling when Scott cashes in on their mistakes or lack of blocks when they clearly never miss them if its him being killed.This site is a biased friendship,no1 to hold one another accountable for their actions or lack of actions.

I did the map ranks for Scott vs Bruce and Scott vs Rashid in 8 player freestyle speed esc.

Scott vs Bruce= 44%
Scott vs Rashid= 24% (not the high 40's% that you said)

Isn't that to be expected? Rashid is a far better player than Bruce.

I didn't jump into this thread just to defend friends. I decided to post because the accusation by King is only to get revenge on Bruce and Scott for the "maxatstuy" thread. Fair enough if you think they have cheated, but I have played in many games with both of them and I have never thought that they were in a secret alliance with each other. Everyone has to bear in mind that the games where you have become suspicious of each other are Freestyle Speed. Mistakes are made all the time and you only have seconds to decide what to do. The huge winning percentage differences against players of different calibres are to be expected.

[GrimReaper.]

take away his prem

[hiddendragon]

Scotland may be a dick in games sometimes but I have never personally seen him cheat...funny that these noobs roll out of the woodwork with thier accusations of cheating...what happened really noob? you wasted your units and brucewar made a dive at you then failed and scotland took advantage...If your going to accuse scotland of something then accuse him of being one dimensional with his freestyle escalating games...

[BaldAdonis]

I think this all stems from Scott-Land being a dick in games. He gets mad when anyone attacks him, and he can't keep his dumb mouth shut. Then he'll complain about any moves that make it harder for him to win, which may or may not be actually bad moves.

So a player in his games has a few options: put him on ignore so you don't have to read it and play as you usually would; yell back at him; or do what he says. If Bruce and Insomnia do the last, then obviously he'll win more games when they're around. But I don't think it's a secret conspiracy. It's like a third grade cartoon bully who has a couple lackeys around because they like the praise and proximity to power.

I can't speak to Bruceswar's abilities, but one thing I remember about playing InsomniaRed in escalating was that she was really bad. So I bet that helps.

I don't understand what you wanted to come out of this. No one's getting a score reset, because there was no alliance, and everyone won fairly. If they got blocked, you'd just piss off Bruceswar a lot, because he'd be kicked out of those freestyle games. Scott-land will find some other players to take advantage of, so you wouldn't really stop that. You could get them "noted", but that's just what they say when they want you to shut up and move the thread to the subforum. Expect that one to happen.

[Scott-Land]

I don't get jealous over an online game,I may be guilty of sometimes taking it to serious but that is it.4 the record my win rate actually improves when Bruce is not in the game which is odd if you ask me,becuz when Bruce is in I drop from a 31% to a 23% almost 10%.Im not in here to argue Im just stating what I think,which is Bruce or Red don't ever make a move on you to eliminate you when they should.Why wouldn't they kill the best player when the math says they should, they have the men to do it and they get a mid-cash?

My last 50 games with you Prank I'm 14-4. You've won 8% of the games. Being on CM with Bob could've been the reason ? Or am I that much more skilled than you? EDIT: I don't know where my pre CM games but if I did a thorough check your numbers would be in the 2% if that with me on CM.

I'm not sure when you or Bruce turned off Bob w/CM, but I'd venture that my numbers would drop considerably if we continued to play at max speed. I'd still win and have an edge but you'd win more than 8%.

It's no surprise that Bruce is able to win more games now- same as you Prank. Turning Bob makes a huge difference- I said quite some time ago before I downloaded the script- that I'd put the skill back in the game. I've done exactly that.. the marginal player that ran over the game before can no longer do it with me in the lineup. I've crushed everyone Prank- not just Bruce.

[Bruceswar]

BaldAdonis you cannot speak to my abilities, yet you just played me in a 1 vs 1 challenge. Within the last week and my new found speed. I quote you by saying "We both know who can click faster " Lets face it freestyle is about speed and timing mixed with strategy. You refused my RT offer as you most likely thought I would run you over. That is fine as freestyle may not be your preferred setting. Anyhow just because you think Scott is a "dick" does not make him a cheater. What so Prank(old Prank) and code cheat as well? Many people would say those 2 are "dicks" Prank has mellowed in the games lately, but he used to be really vocal in games. Many times he was spot on and just saw the board better than others. Hence why Prank made the 4K club long ago. He is a good player. Every person on this site has different ways they interact with people. Good or bad it is how people are. Do not like it foe the person. It is that simple.

Taken from your post... "No one's getting a score reset, because there was no alliance, and everyone won fairly." - At least you agree that this report is total BS, but we will let the mods put cleared on it. But seeing as you are not a freestyle 8 man player, one would say that if you stepped into a game you might not fair so well. This also means you would not know exactly how much 1 or 2 secs can make or break you. If you take 1 spot every 3 secs, you might as well be playing soccer on crutches. Very tough to win. Yes that was what I was for a good bit using CM + BOB. I was slow as hell as others have mentioned. I got ran over countless times by all players, who were in the know.

Like I said, you can call me terrible at this style, but to suggest anything other than that is just totally ridiculous.

[wrestler1ump]

Scott is a cheater.

[maxatstuy]

While I agree with you Bald in that bruce and insomnia enjoy "the praise and proximity to power," it doesnt change the fact that bruce throws the games and allows scott to kill him in almost every game they are in together. Whether or not scott asks bruce to do it, he understands that bruce will give him the game which is why I made the comment earlier about how scott dropped the game with giga to join the one with bruce. He has made over 3000 points unfairly and I am glad king finally decided to say something about it.

Bruce was claiming that he was unable to stop scott from winning as a result of his lack of speed, but even since he became fast he is still giving scott the wins. No matter what anyone says about bruces skill, his quality of playing would only be the difference in his winning the games; there is no justification as to how scott would be the one to take him out as often as he does other than bruce allowing him to.

Moreover, the two links which were shown by poo as being fair, were completely taken out of context and the wrong parts of the games were cited. I was personally watching those games and I witnessed bruce hand scott those games. What they are doing is nothing less then what krusher did except that scott has made a lot more points from doing so. He is cheating and whether or not bruce is giving the games to scott consciously, he is giving scott the games intentionally and scott know that bruce will continue to let him win which is why scott plays with him so often.

Oh, and congratulations Bruce, winning 21 games is an accomplishment considering that the 50+ links found by king were only from the last 100 games you two have played together and you and scott have played more than 300 in total. But still, 21 games

[GrimReaper.]

ive change my mind... bann him

[BaldAdonis]

BaldAdonis you cannot speak to my abilities, yet you just played me in a 1 vs 1 challenge. Within the last week and my new found speed. I quote you by saying "We both know who can click faster " Lets face it freestyle is about speed and timing mixed with strategy. You refused my RT offer as you most likely thought I would run you over.

I meant abilities in an escalating game. As for clicking fast, it all looks the same to someone who isn't using clickable maps. I played one RT game against you, and it was not interesting. Just attack from one place and click fast. Woop-de-doo! The other two games were more amusing, in terms of strategies.

I did find one escalating game we both played though, and it lasted 13 rounds. Plus I don't recall you doing anything stupid, and I usually do when someone does. But like you said, fast fingers are a big part of the freestyle speed game, and I don't know how you fair there.

[Bruceswar]

it doesnt change the fact that bruce throws the games and allows (Nobody allows anything scott is just better than me) scott to kill him in almost every game they are in together. Whether or not scott asks bruce to do it, he understands that bruce will give (I do not give games to anybody) him the game which is why I made the comment earlier about how scott dropped the game with giga (You also failed to see Detoorteg was in the game. I do not wish to play him as he is known to take out large stacks early) to join the one with bruce. He has made over 3000 points unfairly and I am glad king finally decided to say something about it. (TBH I do not think KG said anything, I think it was all you)

Bruce was claiming that he was unable to stop scott from winning as a result of his lack of speed, but even since he became fast he is still giving scott the wins. ( I have not played scott in an 8 man speed game with my new found speed. About a week or so with it.) No matter what anyone says about bruces skill, his quality of playing would only be the difference in his winning the games; there is no justification as to how scott would be the one to take him out as often as he does other than bruce allowing him to. (Scott takes many many people out often, me being slow has everything to do with me not winning. I cannot help it if scott is better than most everybody who plays 8 man speed)

Moreover, the two links which were shown by poo as being fair, were completely taken out of context and the wrong parts of the games were cited. I was personally watching those games and I witnessed bruce hand (Again nobody hands anything to scott. He wins them outright) scott those games. What they are doing is nothing less then what krusher did except that scott has made a lot more points from doing so. He is cheating and whether or not bruce is giving the games to scott consciously, he is giving scott the games intentionally (Yes Again nobody gives any games to scott he wins them.) and scott know that bruce will continue to let him win which is why scott plays with him so often. - (When you are slow you can only hope to play for a steal half the time. Surely you cannot make as many kills as you like without them being stolen.)

Oh, and congratulations Bruce, winning 21 games is an accomplishment considering that the 50+ links found by king were only from the last 100 games you two have played together and you and scott have played more than 300 in total. But still, 21 games

[GrimReaper.]

ban em all

[koop]

bruce, it's hard to belive that you were good enough to reach the rank of colonel, yet scott is still able to beat you this easily

[GrimReaper.]

ban em all

my arguement stands