Map Blaster IV: The Pantheon Jihad [See 1st Post]

[TaCktiX]

Game 2994528
Bravo Game 75
2008-08-28 09:47:51 - Dazoot eliminated familyguy#1 from the game in round - 7
2008-08-29 09:48:06 - TaCktiX eliminated Dazoot from the game in round - 8
2008-08-29 09:50:30 - TaCktiX eliminated MasterEddie38 from the game in round - 8
2008-08-29 09:53:20 - TaCktiX eliminated Scotti2558 from the game in round - 8
2008-08-31 12:54:11 - TaCktiX eliminated ienjoyit from the game in round - 9
2008-08-31 12:55:54 - TaCktiX eliminated Jack_Strap from the game in round - 9
2008-08-31 19:20:55 - TaCktiX eliminated Carolus Magnus from the game in round - 10

[Drunk_Idiot]

Map Blaster IV: The Pantheon Jihad - Group Alpha_Game 26
Game 2994173

DI Wins

[brandoncfi]

Map Blaster IV: The Pantheon Jihad - Group Alpha_Game 26
Game 2994173

DI Wins

Damn I thought I had this one

[Drunk_Idiot]

Map Blaster IV: The Pantheon Jihad - Group Alpha_Game 49
Game 2994220

DI Wins

[TaCktiX]

Game 3051678
Bravo Game 85
2008-08-27 06:42:07 - Dazoot eliminated MasterEddie38 from the game in round - 4
2008-09-01 16:02:04 - TaCktiX eliminated Carolus Magnus from the game in round - 7
2008-09-01 16:05:16 - TaCktiX eliminated Scotti2558 from the game in round - 7
2008-09-01 16:06:19 - TaCktiX eliminated Dazoot from the game in round - 7
2008-09-01 16:07:33 - TaCktiX eliminated ienjoyit from the game in round - 7
2008-09-01 16:08:22 - TaCktiX eliminated Jack_Strap from the game in round - 7
2008-09-01 16:08:36 - TaCktiX eliminated familyguy#1 from the game in round - 7

[aaronvollrath]

one thing about these escalating games is that a player can essentially move on to the next round by playing not to win the game. i guess this adds an additional element of strategery to the mix, but it is kind of a loop-hole (though a valid interpretation of the rules as they currently stand). as an example, player x can just deploy every round and not attack to obtain a card thus making himself an undesirable target; because, in my opinion, cards are probably a (or the) key to winning an escalating game. as an undesirable target (i.e., without cards), player x can basically set himself up to be one of the last four remaining players in a majority of the games he is in. i'm not sure if others think this is an issue, but this practice could be attenuated by putting more emphasis on a win than 2nd-4th place. from a mathematical standpoint i don't know how complex this would need to be, but if there was a scale like 12-3-2-1 for 1st-4th place respectively this might punish those who essentially don't play to win the game and reward those who do play to win.

[conquerAce]

one thing about these escalating games is that a player can essentially move on to the next round by playing not to win the game. i guess this adds an additional element of strategery to the mix, but it is kind of a loop-hole (though a valid interpretation of the rules as they currently stand). as an example, player x can just deploy every round and not attack to obtain a card thus making himself an undesirable target; because, in my opinion, cards are probably a (or the) key to winning an escalating game. as an undesirable target (i.e., without cards), player x can basically set himself up to be one of the last four remaining players in a majority of the games he is in. i'm not sure if others think this is an issue, but this practice could be attenuated by putting more emphasis on a win than 2nd-4th place. from a mathematical standpoint i don't know how complex this would need to be, but if there was a scale like 12-3-2-1 for 1st-4th place respectively this might punish those who essentially don't play to win the game and reward those who do play to win.

That's part of the tournament... it's late in the game to introduce a different scoring structure because i'm sure that there have been some people who have followed your strategy... I have witnessed cadets become majors during this tournament yet they will not move on because of their tournament points....

[Cash_Box]

one thing about these escalating games is that a player can essentially move on to the next round by playing not to win the game. i guess this adds an additional element of strategery to the mix, but it is kind of a loop-hole (though a valid interpretation of the rules as they currently stand). as an example, player x can just deploy every round and not attack to obtain a card thus making himself an undesirable target; because, in my opinion, cards are probably a (or the) key to winning an escalating game. as an undesirable target (i.e., without cards), player x can basically set himself up to be one of the last four remaining players in a majority of the games he is in. i'm not sure if others think this is an issue, but this practice could be attenuated by putting more emphasis on a win than 2nd-4th place. from a mathematical standpoint i don't know how complex this would need to be, but if there was a scale like 12-3-2-1 for 1st-4th place respectively this might punish those who essentially don't play to win the game and reward those who do play to win.

still need to go after a number of wins regardless as the cost of points in "losing" each game is too high ...

[gordito]

group charlie, game 60


2008-08-31 22:59:14 - gordito eliminated Jackofalltrades from the game in round - 9
2008-08-31 23:04:17 - gordito eliminated AtreidesHouse from the game in round - 9
2008-08-31 23:16:28 - gordito eliminated danalan from the game in round - 9
2008-08-31 23:19:03 - gordito eliminated edgarhons from the game in round - 9
2008-09-02 00:20:41 - gordito eliminated golson from the game in round - 10
2008-09-02 00:28:34 - gordito eliminated KeggerAL2 from the game in round - 10
2008-09-02 00:30:38 - gordito eliminated elzunsal from the game in round - 10

[brandoncfi]

one thing about these escalating games is that a player can essentially move on to the next round by playing not to win the game. i guess this adds an additional element of strategery to the mix, but it is kind of a loop-hole (though a valid interpretation of the rules as they currently stand). as an example, player x can just deploy every round and not attack to obtain a card thus making himself an undesirable target; because, in my opinion, cards are probably a (or the) key to winning an escalating game. as an undesirable target (i.e., without cards), player x can basically set himself up to be one of the last four remaining players in a majority of the games he is in. i'm not sure if others think this is an issue, but this practice could be attenuated by putting more emphasis on a win than 2nd-4th place. from a mathematical standpoint i don't know how complex this would need to be, but if there was a scale like 12-3-2-1 for 1st-4th place respectively this might punish those who essentially don't play to win the game and reward those who do play to win.

This has been discussed at length in MBII to check out the discussion click on the link below
Map Blaster II: The Redemption

I'll boil it down if you do not have the time to read it
1. Scoring will remain the same
2'. It is a legit strategy to not take cards so that you are undesirable to take out
This strategy will not get you to the final round (if you look at the track record of the players reaching the final round none of them have used the strategy to get there. they were all very aggressive and smart with there moves)

I have more thoughts on the subject bit it's to late to think about tonight

[danalan]

one thing about these escalating games is that a player can essentially move on to the next round by playing not to win the game. i guess this adds an additional element of strategery to the mix, but it is kind of a loop-hole (though a valid interpretation of the rules as they currently stand). as an example, player x can just deploy every round and not attack to obtain a card thus making himself an undesirable target; because, in my opinion, cards are probably a (or the) key to winning an escalating game. as an undesirable target (i.e., without cards), player x can basically set himself up to be one of the last four remaining players in a majority of the games he is in. i'm not sure if others think this is an issue, but this practice could be attenuated by putting more emphasis on a win than 2nd-4th place. from a mathematical standpoint i don't know how complex this would need to be, but if there was a scale like 12-3-2-1 for 1st-4th place respectively this might punish those who essentially don't play to win the game and reward those who do play to win.

Score it like the sets are awarded:
1st: 20
2nd: 15
3rd: 12
4th: 10
5th: 8
6th: 6
7th: 4
8th: 0

The higher score for winning should drive people to try to win, rather than just hang on. I understand you can't implement the change for this round -- although I'd love to see the numbers -- but you might consider it for following rounds, or at least for future tourneys.

[Sun Tzup]

i would like to see someone try this. have you a link to any games where this has hasppened or is this just a hypothetical proposal?

Sun Tzup

[Jondalar]

I've got to say, the same thought crossed my mind... And surely thats part of the tournament... there have been games where I might have cashed a set early, knowing I wont win, but with only one card left and loads of armies, I am sure to probably come second last and get seven points...
Maybe there should just be extra points for the winner. Though the idea above of scoring it like the cards in an escalating game isn't a bad plot either...

[brandoncfi]

I've got to say, the same thought crossed my mind... And surely thats part of the tournament... there have been games where I might have cashed a set early, knowing I wont win, but with only one card left and loads of armies, I am sure to probably come second last and get seven points...
Maybe there should just be extra points for the winner. Though the idea above of scoring it like the cards in an escalating game isn't a bad plot either...

I have done exactly this to stay in the round...believe me placement will be vital in future rounds I missed the MBII final round by only 2 points and I know there were several plays that I made that if I would not have i would have made it. Sorry folks but for this tourney scoring will remain the same. Win I get closer to MBV we can talk about any scoreing changes then

[brandoncfi]

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[KidWhisky]

Just thought I would say that I don't think that there is any thing wrong with the scoring system. If someone is using the strategy of not getting card so they last longer then you as the eliminator have to decided if you should attack for cards or points. I think it adds a bit to the stratagy of the game. I like it

[HAWK79]

game 80


Darin44 eliminates Choco in round 7
Hawk 79 elimimates Legionaire in round 8
HAWK79 eliminated Darin44 from the game in round 8
HAWK79 eliminated Smokingdude420 from the game in round 8
HAWK79 eliminated Ignite from the game in round 8
Hawk79 eliminated Julia Gulia from the game in round 8
HAWK79 eliminated conquerAce from the game in round 8

[HAWK79]

Game 3

conquerAce eliminated Smokingdude420 from the game in round 7
conquerAce eliminated Darin44 from the game in round 7
conquerAce eliminated Choco from the game in round 7
conquerAce eliminated Legionaire from the game in round 7
conquerAce eliminated Julia Gulia from the game in round 8
conquerAce eliminated HAWK79 from the game in round 8
conquerAce eliminated Ignite from the game in round 8



GAME 73


Darin44 eliminated Legionaire from the game in round 7
conquerAce eliminated Smokingdude420 from the game in round 8
Darin44 eliminated HAWK79 from the game in round 8
Darin44 eliminated Choco from the game in round 8
Darin44 eliminated Julia Gulia from the game in round 8
Darin44 eliminated Ignite from the game in round 8
Darin44 eliminated conquerAce from the game in round 9

[HAWK79]

game 13

Julia Gulia eliminated Ignite from the game in round 8
Julia Gulia eliminated HAWK79 from the game in round 8
Julia Gulia eliminated conquerAce from the game in round 8
Julia Gulia eliminated Darin44 from the game in round 9
Julia Gulia eliminated Smokingdude420 from the game in round 9
Julia Gulia eliminated Legionaire from the game in round 9
Julia Gulia eliminated Choco from the game in round 10


GAME 54
Darin44 eliminated Smokingdude420 from the game in round 7
Darin44 eliminated Ignite from the game in round 8
Julia Gulia eliminated Legionaire from the game
Choco eliminated Darin44 from the game
Choco eliminated conquerAce from the game in round 9
Choco eliminated HAWK79 from the game
Choco eliminated Julia Gulia from the game


GAME 60
Choco eliminated Smokingdude420 from the game in round 7
Darin44 eliminated HAWK79 from the game in round 8
Ignite eliminated Choco from the game
Ignite eliminated Julia Gulia from the game
Ignite eliminated Legionaire from the game
Ignite eliminated conquerAce from the game
Ignite eliminated Darin44 from the game


GAME 26
conquerAce eliminated Ignite from the game in round 7
Choco eliminated Darin44 from the game in round 8
Choco eliminated conquerAce from the game in round 9
Choco eliminated Legionaire from the game
Smokingdude420 eliminated HAWK79 from the game in round 10
Choco eliminated Smokingdude420 from the game
Choco eliminated Julia Gulia from the game in round 11

[brandoncfi]

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[Drunk_Idiot]

Map Blaster IV: The Pantheon Jihad - Group Alpha Game 84
Game 3033119

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[brandoncfi]

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[TaCktiX]

Game 2994498
Bravo Game 60

2008-08-29 12:16:11 - Carolus Magnus eliminated ienjoyit from the game in round - 7
2008-09-02 08:27:05 - TaCktiX eliminated Scotti2558 from the game in round - 8
2008-09-03 11:17:43 - TaCktiX eliminated familyguy#1 from the game in round - 9
2008-09-04 12:34:32 - TaCktiX eliminated Dazoot from the game in round - 10
2008-09-04 12:38:01 - TaCktiX eliminated Carolus Magnus from the game in round - 10
2008-09-04 12:41:22 - TaCktiX eliminated Jack_Strap from the game in round - 10
2008-09-04 12:42:40 - TaCktiX eliminated MasterEddie38 from the game in round - 10

[Dazoot]

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[Calidrmr]

Tournament Game: Map Blaster IV: The Pantheon Jihad - Group Delta_Game 59
Game 2994706

2008-08-28 10:12:48 - mikoto1610 eliminated smasher_123 from the game in round - 6
2008-08-29 11:07:14 - Phr34ky eliminated Vikermac from the game in round - 6
2008-08-29 11:49:41 - goneb4sunrise23 eliminated mikoto1610 from the game in round - 6
2008-08-31 06:36:17 - Calidrmr eliminated bearcat7734 from the game in round - 8
2008-09-04 15:59:59 - Calidrmr eliminated goneb4sunrise23 from the game in round - 11
2008-09-04 16:02:16 - Calidrmr eliminated Phr34ky from the game in round - 11
2008-09-04 16:09:17 - Calidrmr eliminated Wind Talker from the game in round - 11