Maxatstuy [blocked]

[maxatstuy]

let me just say, that i think it is very sad when someone is so desperate for attention that they have to accuse someone of violating the act of secret diplomacy ON THE FIRST GAME THAT I EVER PLAYED

i didnt even know how to play

moreover, that rule didnt even exist in most of the games you sited. you must be a very desperate person to go through all that work to accuse me of something like that. maybe if you spent that time learning how to play instead of accusing them of egregious allegations that have no legitimacy, you could one day be a decent player; until then, stop wasting the mods time and energy reading this crap when it is clear this entire link belongs on flame wars

[Bruceswar]

Bruce your talking crap mate, I also babysit peoples accounts. You going to accuse me to?

Babysitting is one thing. Abusing is another.

[InkL0sed]

I'm staying out of this - but I will say this: I know maxatstuy's brother (elistuy) personally. They are brothers, not multis.

[Bruceswar]

Max has played taken turns for me more than once .Maybe a mole-hole is trying to be turned into a mountain.What with the bickering and fighting trying to drag him down.Seems like an alright person to me.Cheers and gl MAx

Prank taking a few random turns is not such a big deal. Taking turns seemingly daily for some people as you would say is another thing. I am not referring to Phanom either.

[gameplayer]

i'm not going to get into a big argument about this like some other people, but a lot of those links you posted don't even make sense. Take Game 2177240, there were 8 lines of chat, most of them good luck's and good game's. Max and Paddy farm freestyle dubs like that all the time, is that abuse or something?!? I don't really get what you are trying to prove here.

[Bruceswar]

let me just say, that i think it is very sad when someone is so desperate for attention that they have to accuse someone of violating the act of secret diplomacy ON THE FIRST GAME THAT I EVER PLAYED

i didnt even know how to play

moreover, that rule didnt even exist in most of the games you sited. you must be a very desperate person to go through all that work to accuse me of something like that. maybe if you spent that time learning how to play instead of accusing them of egregious allegations that have no legitimacy, you could one day be a decent player; until then, stop waiting the mods time and energy reading this crap when it is clear this entire link belongs on flame wars

The game I listed as secret diplomacy was just the first one on the list of games I checked. I only even mentioned it after taking a quick look at the chat. I then looked at the logs and could see how the attacks went. I might have said the same thing as the other 2 players if I was in the game. Sure Eli is your brother, but looks it went something like this. "Hey Eli lets not attack each other and take the other 2 players out, then we can fight it out." A quick comment in real life. Even if you did not openly say it in real life, it can be somewhat natural by nature not to attack people you know.

[Bruceswar]

i'm not going to get into a big argument about this like some other people, but a lot of those links you posted don't even make sense. Take Game 2177240, there were 8 lines of chat, most of them good luck's and good game's. Max and Paddy farm freestyle dubs like that all the time, is that abuse or something?!? I don't really get what you are trying to prove here.

It is not about the farming, which I am note sure they were. The point is if you run thru the logs in nearly all these games you will find large gaps in times between attacks and or forts. It does not take 45 seconds to fort from Siam to Middle East. with India being owned by the 2nd player. Maybe I should have listed the fishy rounds. I did not want to get to technical with this all, but at a time max was taking about 1 spot every 7 secs, Pre CM according to the logs, while a player like Paddy The Cat would take 1 spot every 4 secs. All of a sudden there is a game in which paddy somehow got really slow and is now taking 1 spot every 7 secs, or just as long as it would take max.

You would not see any chat if one person was playing for 2 people, unless they enjoy talking to themsevles.

[InsomniaRed]

....is what ever crap Bruce could find that he could use to get back at me for telling him off. He is a moron with no life who deosnt understand sarcasm and is to much of an idiot to probably ever figure it out.

Why don't you keep these things to Flame Wars? No one has flamed you in this thread, why start this? And why don't you wait until after this is looked at to have your 'I told you so' moments and such...

[gameplayer]

i'm not going to get into a big argument about this like some other people, but a lot of those links you posted don't even make sense. Take Game 2177240, there were 8 lines of chat, most of them good luck's and good game's. Max and Paddy farm freestyle dubs like that all the time, is that abuse or something?!? I don't really get what you are trying to prove here.

It is not about the farming, which I am note sure they were. The point is if you run thru the logs in nearly all these games you will find large gaps in times between attacks and or forts. It does not take 45 seconds to fort from Siam to Middle East. with India being owned by the 2nd player. Maybe I should have listed the fishy rounds. I did not want to get to technical with this all, but at a time max was taking about 1 spot every 7 secs, Pre CM according to the logs, while a player like Paddy The Cat would take 1 spot every 4 secs. All of a sudden there is a game in which paddy somehow got really slow and is now taking 1 spot every 7 secs, or just as long as it would take max.

You would not see any chat if one person was playing for 2 people, unless they enjoy talking to themsevles.

there could be a lot of explanations for that, your internet is not exactly the same every single day. It has a lot to do with how many people on your network are browsing the internet on their computers, or how much demand is on the carriers. Maybe that day Paddy had a lag or something...i don't know.
And as for your 45 second comment, its a team game, they're coordinating their strategy in team chat, figuring out what they want to do. Look at my team games with max, we'll consistently take 15-20 minutes on our turns. Not all of it is making the move, there's a lot of typing going on in game chat that you can't see because you aren't on the team.
@ your last comment, a lot of things are being said in team chat, so there isn't a huge need to say anything in normal chat unless provoked by the other team. And there other team wasn't saying much in those games, so there was no need for max or paddy to reply.

[Scott-Land]

GamePlayer- Max has personally asked me if I had the passwords to Paddy's and KG's accounts on different occasions when he wanted to take turns for them. Don't ask me why he would think that I'd know- desperation maybe. I didn't think anything of it at the time- but it makes sense now.

[poo-maker]

After reading all of this and looking at a few of the games myself, I definitely believe that Max has broken cc rules with his account sitting. I know that these rules aren't written down, but this is what i believe them to be.

-Players should post in chat when sitting for an account
-Players should try to take turns as late into the round as possible to try to reduce the amount of turns taken by a sitter.
-Players should not use account sitting as a way for teams to play at the same time in freestyle.
-Account sitting is to make sure that players don't miss turns. It should not be used for taking someone elses turn at an advantageous moment while they are not online.
-You should only sit for players accounts when they have specifically told you that they will not be able to access a computer to take their turns at specific times.

That is my interpretation of the account sitting rules. I'm pretty sure that Max has broken all of them.

This was what he wrote to me in response to being asked why he never played competitive games;

'' I Do.....just not from my account...LOL, I watch the accounts of 3 people regularly and finish up games for another 5....LOL ''

one game hes taking paddys turn and eli is taking his turn... hes asked me if i had the pws for kg and paddy so he could take their turns after they changed them.

I know that Max does offer to sit for alot of players accounts. I think this is due to his attitude towards playing competitive games on his own account. Even though quite alot of his account sitting (which he has done alot of) is within the rules and was solely to help a friend out, it's obvious that there have been times where Max has abused account sitting rules to help to win games for himself and for other people.

EDIT Game 2406484 --- that is cheating.

[maxatstuy]

What?

do you read Scott?

I have the password and had the password for both King and Paddy. Try reading those pms I sent you because in them, I clearly stated that I was wondering if you had their passwords so that you could play for them because they looked like they might miss and I didnt want to give their passwords away to people. Actually, this was only in reference to King, paddy I never had the issue, but there was one game where it look like King would miss, I didnt want to break the rules by playing for my teammate

learn to read or dont talk

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

if found guilty, he will be added to the wall of shame.

[maxatstuy]

And to poo-maker-

while I do not wait to the last hour of peoples turns to play for them because I find it unnecessary when they tell me they are going on vacation for two weeks, I dont play for my teammates in doubles games. I find others that can possibly play for them, but I myself do not.

i find playing for people fun, and yes, it is because I dont like taking the risk of losing point on my account. I dont see what the issue is with playing for different people. I dont join games for the people I play for and none of the games i play would give me an advantage by playing them

[Scott-Land]

Game 2406484

Is this a violation of account sitting rules- lol... if not then I wouldn't know what would be.

2008-05-11 23:22:39 - Paddy The Cat: this is elistuy in for paddy the cat
2008-05-11 23:23:15 - Paddy The Cat: actually, this is maxatstuy in for paddy the cat
2008-05-11 23:23:24 - Paddy The Cat: elistuy is in for maxatstuy
2008-05-11 23:23:39 - Paddy The Cat: quite fun thinking about that logic
2008-05-11 23:36:10 - maxatstuy: I am me again btw


Indeed I am having fun with that logic-

[The Neon Peon]

I have no side on this issue, and have not read the entire thread, but parts of it. Here is an interesting log I found in that first game: (you were refering to it, but it is faster for people if it is in the thread)

2007-11-07 22:53:27 - redboost62: bs
2007-11-07 23:03:24 - maxatstuy: bs for what, that this is my first game, or for what else because this is my first game!
2007-11-07 23:11:54 - the_desTroyer: ok then why not attack yellow from chilean claim to austrailian claim all the way into asia? yellow has no protection there against u but seems to be protecting from both me and red
2007-11-07 23:15:30 - the_desTroyer: if u are not cheating, i suggest u prevent yellow from getting the bonuses
2007-11-07 23:45:06 - maxatstuy: he is trying to secure his own area first i believe

That last comment goes perfectly for yellow (in the game), talking about the accused, but makes no sense the other way around.

[Bruceswar]

if anyone is actually curious for why bruce decided to post it, his reasons had nothing to do with me cheating, as that would be unfactual and untrue, it was because I told him, insomnia, scott, and rashid off, after their posts on my thread (the one in flame wars)

If this had nothing to do with cheating I would not have posted it here.I would have posted this in Flame Wars if that was the case.

[maxatstuy]

elistuy played in that game...what about it, I didnt want to lie and say he was playing for paddy when that wasnt true...why would I lie for?

If I am such a cheater, why would I incriminate myself...you just showed that I am honest enough not to lie in game chat, if I was playing for my teammates so often, why didnt I admit to it then as well?

and bruce, I dont respond to you in flame wars and by seeing this thread, you are clearly a needy brat who has to incite trouble to make up for you lack of skill

[poo-maker]

And to poo-maker-

while I do not wait to the last hour of peoples turns to play for them because I find it unnecessary when they tell me they are going on vacation for two weeks, I dont play for my teammates in doubles games. I find others that can possibly play for them, but I myself do not.

i find playing for people fun, and yes, it is because I dont like taking the risk of losing point on my account. I dont see what the issue is with playing for different people. I dont join games for the people I play for and none of the games i play would give me an advantage by playing them

Yes, the rule about taking the turns at the last possible time is a very lenient one, i admit. But, I am more intrested in things like these:

Game 2406484-- You were playing for paddy, while elitstuy played for you (gross abuse)

Game 1139206-- Obvious secret alliance. Even if it was your first game, playing as badly as you did only points towards retardation or a secret alliance.

If I am so bad at playing on conquerclub as one would perceive based on your comments that I need to prove myself (which would be the only possible reason I can imagine for wanting me to join those brigadier games) you should probably tell fanta to leave his account with someone else and to hand back the points I won him in his 4 player speed which I turned around and won for him, JCKing to return the points I won for him in his 3 player speed, paddy to change his password and ask someone else to play for him when he is away, phantom to change his password, free to change his, and my brother to have someone else win his 8 players for him"

- account sitting is to prevent players from skipping turns, not to win games for them.

I dont join games for the people I play for and none of the games i play would give me an advantage by playing them

I realise that. I do think that it is unfair to solely blame you for this account sitting abuse because others such as elistuy, paddy and a few others must have known that they were bending the rules. That being said, i do thing that the account sitting abuse was started by you, and "aided and abetted" by paddy, elistuy, etc...

[Scott-Land]

elistuy played in that game...what about it, I didnt want to lie and say he was playing for paddy when that wasnt true...why would I lie for?

I don't buy the innocent routine- you just admitted to abusing at least one account sitting rule. Perhaps Paddy was indeed away on vacation or whatever but since you're on the CC site playing for Paddy, you're violating the same rule on your own behalf. You can't have someone sit for you as you're not away.

[maxatstuy]

Even in that game where elistuy played for me and I played for paddy, that wasnt against the rules. conquerclub changed its policy on playing for teammates; its not like I played that game yesterday, it was months ago, before the policy changed

[Bruceswar]

and bruce, I dont respond to you in flame wars and by seeing this thread, you are clearly a needy brat who has to incite trouble to make up for you lack of skill

Naturally another diversion. I do not incite any trouble Max. Anything that is happening is all your doing. Nobody forced you to send any PM's to get all this started. TBH I had never really cared to much to take much time into looking into this until recent. The Mods here will decide your fate.

[maxatstuy]

You can, with the stipulation that the account babysitter is not your opponent in any current game and does not start or join new games (except for ongoing tournaments). It is common courtesy to announce in game chat that another player will take your turn(s) during your absence. Furthermore, you should only take another player's turn if they are in danger of missing a turn, not for the purpose of gaining a tactical advantage.

teammates are never specified

[Scott-Land]

Even in that game where elistuy played for me and I played for paddy, that wasnt against the rules. conquerclub changed its policy on playing for teammates; its not like I played that game yesterday, it was months ago, before the policy changed

I am glad to hear that you are very familiar with account sitting rules. You can't use the " I didn't know it was wrong" defense.

You can, with the stipulation that the account babysitter is not your opponent in any current game and does not start or join new games (except for ongoing tournaments). It is common courtesy to announce in game chat that another player will take your turn(s) during your absence. Furthermore, you should only take another player's turn if they are in danger of missing a turn, not for the purpose of gaining a tactical advantage.

teammates are never specified

In no way am I saying that the turn you took for Paddy was right or wrong ony the Mods can determine that, but what I am saying Max is that since you were not away- it was clearly abuse for you to have someone sit for you... in this case Elistuy.

[Bruceswar]

You can, with the stipulation that the account babysitter is not your opponent in any current game and does not start or join new games (except for ongoing tournaments). It is common courtesy to announce in game chat that another player will take your turn(s) during your absence. Furthermore, you should only take another player's turn if they are in danger of missing a turn, not for the purpose of gaining a tactical advantage.

teammates are never specified

I guess you failed to see where this was brought up in a huge long heated thread in GD. So Max is this your way of justifying this on your mind... "teammates were never specified" Granted I think it is safe to say a good many of us have sat for people who were in a team game or 2 with us. This is not what is being talked about here. I think we clearly know what is being discussed here.