****Super Land Swipe**** -- End ~ Mafia Win

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:15 am

OK I'm too tired to read back through this all.

Free, please show us where Bogey contradicted himself? Of course this should not include anything posted by Andy, as those have no real bearing on the game.

AK, where are you on all of this?

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:05 am

Freetymes wrote:SULLY WAS MAFIA
SULLY SAID HE TRUSTED BOGUS MOST

I didnt really trust Bogus, but because of his accusing behaviour at the start... I cant believe sully would give us one of his mafia partners so easily... this could be possibly a trick.

But, I admit that houssam and bogus seem connected:

HoussamTheGreat wrote:Wait a minute, wait a minute! Vote Bogusbet?? Why???
yeah.. I realize that I am the other guy you "suspect" - but voting Bogusbet would be another mistake.. I am almost sure of this. Let me venture this townies - do any of you feel that Bogus' description of what was stolen from him, and with his role has some clear signs of authenticity?? I am pretty sure it sounds familiar! If that premise is true, then I have to suspect Freetyme for pointing that finger - I am also suspicious (very suspicious) at this point of Iceman for reasons I have explained before...

This is an important vote. I honestly feel Bogus would be a mistake? Anyone shares the same feeling?

Looks like Bogus trust in houssam, 4 suspects and hes not in the list.

Bogusbet wrote: I'm not voting yet; I'll decide tomorrow when I go through this whole thing again. List of possibles so far in no order,

Iceman
Freetymes
Sully
Happy

Plus, an interesting thing I researched in wikipedia: Captain America, (sully false character) is an avenger, and we have no more avengers, at least as we know for now. Green Lantern (his real character) is member of Justice League, as Flash (Bogusbet) and Superman (Houssam). Is this a tip?

Beyond that, I dont know what to think about Wicked or Freetymes (with happy being a townie, hes no more looking clearly a mafia member to me), this game is really confusing, but Iceman is really starting to looks suspicious to me. He is only watching all we do, while is not posting, possibly not wanting to commit a mistake.

Of course we know this decision is very important (lynching a townie now, and if we lose another one at night, the game is a draw - 2 townies and 2 mafia - unless our vigilante can kill another one), but I really dont know whats the best thing to do, and I will not vote hastly. However, I can share: most suspicious guys to me are AK and Houssam (I want clean his connection to Bogus).

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:48 am

Sorry again for not posting, I do post almost every time I log in and then when Wicked bugs me again...

We do have a shot at winning now, I dont think the Vigilante should try and kill again because its too big a risk if he dies also.

Bogusbet really looks like mafia to me, since sully was defending him and they agreed on almost everything.

I really dont think Wicked is mafia tho, since she posted earlier about the Godfather role. If she was mafia she would not have shared that info with the noobs in this game.

Marv and Houssam both find me suspicious, any evidence fellas besides my lack of posting?

Bogusbet · Post by **Bogusbet** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:03 am

Oh Jesus you guys. A wheelchair, if thats all you got it's weak. Read the day scenes, some say I walk, some say I'm wheeled, some say I'm carried. Whatever.

I will tell you now that I ain't even going to express my innocence anymore as I can't do more than I have done. I'm the only one expressing my position, I have done this from the start, I dont fear the mafia, in fact kill me tonight, I challenge you to, it will clear me.

I would say lynch Freetymes, but the way he keeps jumping on getting me hung actually makes me think he is a good guy. Remember young one I explained everything that you brought against me. Show me contradictions to match your accusations. So he don't get my vote.

Ak_iceman, very quiet. Don't mean alot except you maybe don't wana trip up. I have little to go on apart from my gut, I was right about Sully and the V took him out so had somehing to go on.

I think I know who the V is so that rules out another, ain't gona say who or why or anything about others yet untill we hear more from everyone.

As it stands;

Vote - AK_Iceman

Fellow Townies join me, it will provide information to me to who the last one standing will be, if he aint talking we cant get a fix on him.

If you can convince me to change my vote with good reason I will.

Freetymes · Post by **Freetymes** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:56 am

I am not going to keep saying the same thing over and over. You only have to go back one page to see my points.

At this point we have absolutely nothing on AK except he is unusually quiet. AK speak up on the issues at hand. Saying you have nothing this late in the game is bound to put suspicion on you! Would that be warrented? I don't think so but give us something to hold on to!

I will split the differance with you Bogus, although I am not convinced of your innocence, I will stand by my accusations.

VOTE HOUSSAM THE GREAT

Freetymes · Post by **Freetymes** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:03 am

Bogusbet wrote:If you can convince me to change my vote with good reason I will.

Like I said... the wheelchair is a NON-Issue!

Convince you? Ok why, with all of the connections Houssan has shown to Sully and the evidence I have shown would you blindly vote for AK Ice? If you want to prove yourself as a townie start giving us reasons for voting and pointing fingers besides that it is a hunch! Speak to what I have said (besides the wheel chair)...

I ask you to join me in voting for Houssam. Then I would know you are a townie.
For the rest of the townies... Ask yourself this...

Would I put all of these accusations out there if I was Mafia?

Well neither would I so I hope you will look closely and see what I believe to be true.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:08 am

WTF? I just posted 2 posts up and the 2 people after are still whining about me not posting?

Let me restate my thoughts, since you both seem incapable of reading.

Bogusbet seems like mafia to me. Reasons being him and sully backed each other up and trusted each other.
Wicked does not seem like mafia. She mentioned the Godfather role earlier to clear up some confusion about happysadfun's information. She would not have posted that if she was mafia. Most people didnt know about that role from last game and mafia doesnt share information like that willingly.

The rest I am not sure about, Houssam is new still and doesnt really seem like he knows whats going on. Freetymes is pretty adamant about Bogus and Houssam being mafia, and I somewhat agree but I do not trust Freetymes either. Marv just runs around making lame guesses, hes still new also so I chalk it up to that.

If you guys think that because I havent posted enough is a reason to lynch another townie and lose the game, then go for it. I already told my role, Hellboy, and he is a good character from what I remember of the movie.

Freetymes · Post by **Freetymes** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:39 am

If you read my last AK I am saying I do not think you should be mis-trusted and I just wanted you to do what you just posted.
I agree with you mostly and if there is any energy to vote for Bogus I am totally willing to change my vote too him!
What do the rest of the townies think?

For now my vote stands...

Bogusbet · Post by **Bogusbet** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:07 am

I killed Sully.

Vote that townies.

Hang AK_Iceman or Hussam, I think they are both Mafia anyway.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:10 am

Bogusbet wrote:Ak_iceman, very quiet. Don't mean alot except you maybe don't wana trip up.

Thats the point, AK. You posted a lot in other games, and now is being much more carefull about share your opinions, and looks like you dont have a reason to it. Lame guesses? Im trying to be reasonable, and although Im fresh to this game, I think we need communicate the most to make better choices, and put some light over suspicious behaviour. For example, post about godfather role is sufficient to clean wicked name? I dont think so... Although I never thought you were connected to Freetymes, you are now seeming just a bit connected to wicked... But I have no convictions about it, since I cant point other evidences. I would really like if you could share your opinions more frequently, ok? I have no other accusations against you.

For now, I really want clean the aparent connection between Bogus and Houssam, and I believe Houssam is the most suspicious, but if people are going for Bogus, its ok to me.

Bogusbet · Post by **Bogusbet** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:11 am

Come to think about it again, Wicked/Freetymes/Marv could also be Mafia. I don't trust any of you.

Just AK and Hussam the least.

I will be glad when this is over, I started sleeping with the light on.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:15 am

Just to mention, that Bogusbet post wasnt there when I was typing my post.

What do you guys think? I dont know if we can trust him, but if we kill another townie now, well, you know. So, is there anyone else who claim to be the vigilante? Is really this what you are, right, Bogus?

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:24 am

Freetymes wrote:

Like I said... the wheelchair is a NON-Issue!

The Wheelchair is totally a non-issue. You making it an issue initially however is an issue, and a big one at that. You misread the roles, hence you were astonished that a super hero is wheel chair bound. Bogus is not a superhero - just a fan, as are the rest of us. You realized that, but it was too late to back pedal.

I hate not voting Iceman first - but at this point, you are panicking more

vote freetymes

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:44 am

Houssam, can you please not ignore my question? What do you think about Bogus? Why do you trust him so much?

Bogus: assuming you are a vigilante (Im not sure), why did you kill sully? In fact, Im wanting to know why you think he was suspicious at the point of kill him. If you had killed a townie, it would be terrrrrible, so, I believe you were pretty sure about he being mafia. Can you share your tips?

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:50 am

Freetymes wrote:If you read my last AK I am saying I do not think you should be mis-trusted and I just wanted you to do what you just posted.
I agree with you mostly and if there is any energy to vote for Bogus I am totally willing to change my vote too him!
What do the rest of the townies think?

For now my vote stands...

Yeah, your last post wasnt there before I started posting mine.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:53 am

Bogusbet wrote:I killed Sully.

Vote that townies.

Hang AK_Iceman or Hussam, I think they are both Mafia anyway.

Good post.

Thanks for sharing your role, but just like happysadfun you posted your role and absolutely no information to go along with it!

Why did you decide to kill off sully?
Why did you announce yourself as the vigilante?

I'm still suspicious os Hussam, but I KNOW I am a townie and it would be a mistake for any of you to think otherwise.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:08 am

Marvaddin wrote:Houssam, can you please not ignore my question? What do you think about Bogus? Why do you trust him so much?

your tips?

Sorry marv, did not mean to ignore your question. I have my reasons before however. Bogus was among the very first people to state his role and what was stolen from him. When I read his description, it rang of authenticity when I compared it with my own. I am assuming that Andy does not share our roles -at least not verbatim- with the mafia, in which case, I have to assume bogus was reading an authentic description, which is why I am inclined to trust him. Of course on the other hand, he is hyper paranoid, which is not helping, albeit understandable.
Obrigado.

Bogusbet · Post by **Bogusbet** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:16 am

Ha,

It was a great post.

Yes I was the V man, I had a ONE time option to kill/not kill. I can't use it again.

As to why I voted for sully, well I had it down to a choice of 2. It was not a rash decision. (The second person was Ice)

I was throwing wild stuff around all through the game, naming different people, throwing Q's at different people, reading the responses. Sully sided with me after I said I suspected him on my list, no other did. That swayed me to do it and I felt I had to take a shot as we had lost Doc/Cop and were getting mauled.

Hussam now sides with me

AK_Iceman is not sure

Freetymes has always suspected me

Wicked sort of trusts me (It's two way, I don't trust her fully)

Marv - He is showing good reasoning and does not want to vote for me and I kind of believe him

I am pretty sure the townies are Myself/Wicked/Marv

AK_Iceman/Hussam/Freetymes I am unsure about.

AK/Hussam the most.

I am willing to go with Hussam and if he is Mafia, I KNOW I can trust Freetymes. Even though I want to string up Ice big time.

If I had another bullet he would get it.

Some of you may be thinking I was rash to do Sully in, but I just knew I had him.

Why do I feel like I am the only one having to defend myself, yes I want to win, but I'll take one for the team (Even if I'm dead and we win its a victory in my eyes). I called the Mafia out to clear me. You guys are wasting a kill by doing me in.

So

I get it of the Mafia tonight (Wonders what death scene) and you guys join me in stringing up Hussam today before they do it;

If I am wrong and he is a townie you got a 2/2 situation with me gone anyway. Bad.

The Mafia dont kill me to make me more suspicious and you kill Hussam and he is Mafia, you trust me and Freetymes. Good.

Bogusbet · Post by **Bogusbet** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:17 am

BTW I want it on record that I am getting paranoid.

Bogusbet · Post by **Bogusbet** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:22 am

Freetymes, you still bother me alot and I bet the Mafia are laughing their balls of at me going scatty.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:26 am

wow you guys have been busy. I'm back in the office today, after being out a week, so need to catch up with real life. I'll read through this all later and cast my vote. Andy, when is the deadline, and can we get a vote tally please? thanks!

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:28 am

Vote-Houssam

He is the most suspicious right now, and when freetymes voted for him he went and voted for freetymes right back, a common mafia defensive move.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:32 am

Bogus,
How much does ice bother you? And why does he bother you more than ferrytmes? And for the record, this is not in defense of ice, a daydream about tying both of them to the bumper of a pickup truck and going through every hill in san Fran. I really think we need to get rid of one of them today, and I do not want to see the votes fragmented.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:39 am

If theres 6 people left, does it take 3 or 4 votes to lynch?

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:39 am

AK_iceman wrote:Vote-Houssam

He is the most suspicious right now, and when freetymes voted for him he went and voted for freetymes right back, a common mafia defensive move.

Wow, you really are pushing your luck icy! I said I would vote freetymes or you since yesterday. Freetymes had 12 hours to explain a specific point, he didn't. I voted him out. Besides, I am the new guy who doesn't know what he is doing anyway!

In any case, it gives me great comfort that you are now actively coming to freetyme defense. The way things are shaping up, one of us 3 is sleeping with the fishies tonight, but regardless of the order it happens, I believe we got 2 more mafias.