free will vs omniscience

[MeDeFe]

Now my problem is people like Borg running amuck. And I will meet them, everytime. And though I was quite condesending with him/her, I still gave 'em a chance to correct his/her errors. Should I shout them down? I have always been of the opinion that the only way to change a body's mind is through earnest conversation.

I like your way of thinking.

[Jenos Ridan]

Despite that, even assuming free will exists, that only means we are free to make choices, not that things are so radically free that our personalities are virtually chosen.

I see that I have gotten the responce that was to be expected.

But the question is: How much freedom do we have then? Can we decide what things we like? Can we decide what influences us? Can we decide who we love? Can we decide what we actually believe?

Which in turn begs the question: How much is predetermined? What behaviors are we born with?

At what point is Free Will not really free but a matter of probability and consequences for both random chance and the choices one makes? When does it just the same as "reading from a script".

[PLAYER57832]

Despite that, even assuming free will exists, that only means we are free to make choices, not that things are so radically free that our personalities are virtually chosen.

I see that I have gotten the responce that was to be expected.

But the question is: How much freedom do we have then? Can we decide what things we like? Can we decide what influences us? Can we decide who we love? Can we decide what we actually believe?

Which in turn begs the question: How much is predetermined? What behaviors are we born with?

At what point is Free Will not really free but a matter of probability and consequences for both random chance and the choices one makes? When does it just the same as "reading from a script".

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

[Juan_Bottom]

I suppse the deeper question would be one about time. But I think this thread is dieing...

[Jenos Ridan]

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

Good point.

I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.

[MeDeFe]

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

Good point.

I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.

Yes, you left out god and talked about free will in a somewhat different context.

[PLAYER57832]

Bottom line is that for us, it does not matter. You either believe the Greeks and that all is predetermined by "the fates" or you believe it is up to you ... and act accordingly.

Good point.

I'm also gratified to see that I killed this thread with a twist in the logic of the OP.

Yes, you left out god and talked about free will in a somewhat different context.

In most senses, everything we do IS biology. But, we have the choice of how we respond.

It is like the old Mennonite saying. To re-act is to let someone else decide how you will act. They say they prefer to make their own decisions.