Europa [Quenched]

[oaktown]

Poll results:

Which title do you prefer? (see p1/44 for options)
A: 7, 23%
B: 8, 26%
C: 5, 16%
D: 1, 3%
E: 6, 20%
F: 1, 3%
G: 2, 6%

[MrBenn]

so transcontinental is a really +5 total and does not include an override right?

If you hold kgd and Russia you get +1. If you hold those two plus Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Turkey, you get another +3, for a total of +4, right?

edbeard is right on this...

The whole of Transcontinental is worth +5, but 1 of that is the motherland bonus...

[Ruben Cassar]

Ben will you be using that Latin quote in the title since option B was selected?

[The Viking]

How about a similar bonus for Denmark + Faroe Islands + Greenland?

[yeti_c]

How about a similar bonus for Denmark + Faroe Islands + Greenland?

I suspect that we may be overegging the pudding if we add too many random bonuses in?!

C.

[max is gr8]

I believe the Pharaoh islands and Greenland are vassals of Denmark, I believe that is what he is referring to

[The Viking]

Yeah you're probably right.

[max is gr8]

How am I probably right it's your idea. I'm either right or wrong

[yeti_c]

How am I probably right it's your idea. I'm either right or wrong

I assume he was replying to me!!

C.

[max is gr8]

lol, maybe. But I think yeti is right anyway. Motherland works because it adds an extra border and you have to go through a few territories to get to it.

[MrBenn]

Ben will you be using that Latin quote in the title since option B was selected?

I'm going to work on something for the title... I thought the voting was too close to warrant just plumping with B - especially as there were several favourable commnets about the latin phrase. Expect something to pop up during the week.

[MrBenn]

How about a similar bonus for Denmark + Faroe Islands + Greenland?

I totally understand the motive for suggesting this, but am going to pass on it.

The 'Motherland' bonus is there to accomodate the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, and to make it a vaguely attractive target at the beginning of the game. Scandinavia doesn't need this, as it is a contiguos (sp?) region.

[edbeard]

Ben will you be using that Latin quote in the title since option B was selected?

I hope he doesn't blindly use B on a vote where it had 8 votes and other options had 7, 6, and 5 votes.

[yeti_c]

contiguos (sp?)

Contiguous.

C.

[yeti_c]

Ben will you be using that Latin quote in the title since option B was selected?

I hope he doesn't blindly use B on a vote where it had 8 votes and other options had 7, 6, and votes.

Completely agree on this point.

C.

[MarVal]

Question:

Ben will you be using that Latin quote in the title since option B was selected?

I hope he doesn't blindly use B on a vote where it had 8 votes and other options had 7, 6, and votes.

Completely agree on this point.

C.

Answer:

I'm going to work on something for the title... I thought the voting was too close to warrant just plumping with B - especially as there were several favourable commnets about the latin phrase. Expect something to pop up during the week.

Grtz
MarVal

[$t0kA]

i think it is very well done i would love to play it and it is just so realistic as it has about every country in there.the colours are well done and it is very clear...dont listen to these guys...

[MrBenn]

Update!

• I've removed the +1 from the minimap (for the motherland bonus) which helps avoid confusion. I experimneted with putting an asterisk/other symbol there, but this didn't help clarity.
• I've also made the 'motherland' text less fuzzy.
• The territory labels for San Marino (sm) and Vatican City (vc) have been shifted so that they don't look like smo/vco
• The title is temporarily absent - I've asked that the poll be removed, and I'll have a look at trying something based upon the outcome of that!

I'm still working on the title...
....anything else anybody wants to pick up??

[Ogrecrusher]

I think the rivers should look like rivers not fjords, if you see what I mean.
Right now they just look like long narrow inlets.

[iancanton]

does the sea look a bit darker near scandinavia and lighter in the south? can u make it lighter near scandinavia to contrast with the blue of the latter?

the army shadows are suitably subtle. even on the small version, they do not take over the map. are blue armies clearly distinguishable from scandinavian blue?

can u use internationally-recognised abbreviations for country names instead of made-up ones? below are links to both 2-letter and 3-letter iso codes. the 2-letter codes are in wider everyday use because of the internet, although the united nations uses the 3-letter codes.

http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/is ... ements.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/en ... eoname.pdf

the one that most needs to change is liechtenstein, since lt is the official 2-letter iso code for lithuania, which is also on the map (lt is, for example, used as the lithuanian internet top-level domain code, while li is liechtenstein's equivalent).

http://www.liechtenstein.li/en/fl-staat-gemeinden-vaduz

five other abbreviations on our map are used by different territories as their official iso codes and these are given below.

bh: bahrain
mo: macao
sl: sierra leone
vc: saint vincent & the grenadines
mac: macao

connect the peloponnese peninsula to mainland greece by drawing in the isthmus of corinth on the eastern side, to the right of the army count. at the moment, the peloponnese looks too much like a med island.

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/greece/

I think that Malta,Crete and ciprus must be a part of mediteranean,and Grecce part of Balkan.

if we renamed the balkan states continent as north balkans, then do u think everyone would be satisfied?

transcontinental has 6 territories, of which 3 are border territories. i think +5 (+4 and +1 motherland) is too high: classic africa also has 6 territories, of which 3 are border territories, and is only +3, without the benefit of a sub-bonus as a stepping-stone.

ian.

[JNutZ]

erm...just for your information Slovenia isn't balkan state it belongs to Central Europe...that's what they thaught us in school

[Ruben Cassar]

erm...just for your information Slovenia isn't balkan state it belongs to Central Europe...that's what they thaught us in school

Bloody hell...the brainwashing begins at an early age in Slovenia apparently!

[MrBenn]

Thanks for reminding me about that Ian - I know you've mentioned it before

I've got a couple of new titles, but can't get online at home to upload them Hopefully t'internet will be up again soon

[MrBenn]

If there is ever another war in Europe, it will come out of some damned silly thing in the Balkans.

I think that Malta,Crete and ciprus must be a part of mediteranean,and Grecce part of Balkan.

if we renamed the balkan states continent as north balkans, then do u think everyone would be satisfied?

erm...just for your information Slovenia isn't balkan state it belongs to Central Europe...that's what they thaught us in school

Bloody hell...the brainwashing begins at an early age in Slovenia apparently!

[ZeakCytho]

If there is ever another war in Europe, it will come out of some damned silly thing in the Balkans.

I think that Malta,Crete and ciprus must be a part of mediteranean,and Grecce part of Balkan.

if we renamed the balkan states continent as north balkans, then do u think everyone would be satisfied?

erm...just for your information Slovenia isn't balkan state it belongs to Central Europe...that's what they thaught us in school

Bloody hell...the brainwashing begins at an early age in Slovenia apparently!

Though Bismark was proved correct with the onset of WWI, the quote is quite applicable

I'm all in favor of keeping the continents as they are now and not screwing with it any more. Because there's no way to get it 100% accurate or please everybody. So can we stop talking about the continent layout (that's probably been the focus of 60% of this thread so far) and move on to something like graphics?

That being said, I have no new suggestions...