Marijuana...

[Hologram]

All drugs should be decriminalised, no question. You'd halve the crime rate at a stroke.
But of course, most drugs f*ck you up.

Which is why they are illegal to begin with.

Weed I can see legalized, but taxed to death. All the others should remain regulated.

yeah... while I've heard the "is weed better/worse than tobacco/alcohol" debated over and over again, it's hard to contest that if you arranged drugs into "tiers", weed is a lot more comparable (in health risk) to those two legal drugs than to most other illegal drugs.

Which is why I can see weed legalized with no moral hangups, but stuff like Heroin and Cocaine should remain heavily regulated and the killer crap like PCP and Meth should stay outlawed.

This all comes from someone who believes the 21 drinking law is stupid and finds it equally stupid that people can buy cannons out of the mail-order Dixie Gun Catalogue at any age with a credit card, but a handgun can't be bought any earlier than 21 (a good shooter can wax maybe 7-8 people on one clip. Whereas one can take out twenty or more with a cannon loading with nails and other loose stuff that can be picked up anywhere, hmmmm. Gee, I wonder which would do more harm: a piddling 9mm or six or more pounds of nails, broken glass, rocks and whatever else fired out of a cannon?). I like the idea of the waiting period and background checks, but some of the laws are just insensible on the face of them.

Just wait until HeavyCola sees this, it'll cause his poor pencil-necked sheeple Limey heart to seize up.

I still like my idea of complete legalization on the condition of now public intoxication and no healthcare for OD's unless you happen to have insurance that covers that (unlikely).

[DaGip]

Well, interestingly enough the US is about to have a change in government ... it happens ever 4- 8 years, as a rule...

So who knows, you might just get your wish!

Change in governmental policy is not New Government. Going from Democrat to Republican to Democrat and back to Republican again has nothing to do with anything new and surely does not offer any of us true and meaningful change.

What would really happen if the next president were to end the Drug War? Would the street gangs just quit selling all of a sudden? It is actually kind of hard to envision. I would like to believe that it would be a positive step in healing our country, but it is hard to tell what the societal reaction and impact would be.

[suggs]

Just legalise it and be done with it.
Let people make their decisions on how they want to live their lives.
If they choose to waste it in a stoned haze, thats up to them.

The law should only come into it if other people get hurt and the worse for that is booze.
Maybe cocaine as well, can send people nasty. But then you can prosecute for the behaviour, not the injection of a chemical. Since we are just all chemicals anyway, it seems dumb.

[DaGip]

Just legalise it and be done with it.
Let people make their decisions on how they want to live their lives.
If they choose to waste it in a stoned haze, thats up to them.

The law should only come into it if other people get hurt and the worse for that is booze.
Maybe cocaine as well, can send people nasty. But then you can prosecute for the behaviour, not the injection of a chemical. Since we are just all chemicals anyway, it seems dumb.

I am just a walking bag of chemicals ready to spew my chemical glory all over the world!

[suggs]

Ah, a Hockneyite.

[Juan_Bottom]

Ah, a Hockneyite.

LETS GO DEVILS!!!! WHOOOO!!!!

[DaGip]

I just heard the proper way to smoke Marijuana was through a water bong, fill your lungs up, and exhale THROUGH the nostrils.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC9iNZNbIJg

[Jenos Ridan]

But what a slippery slope you climb when government intercedes as the moral authority on our lives. For the government (an entity whose only purpose was to protect our Constitutional rights as Americans and provide us with an army for protection) to become a moral-surrogate is only doomed to failure.

Who said the Federal Government was a Moral Authority? The physical and mental degradation of the citizenry is a Public Saftey and Health Issue.

Unless you want to see more people shot because their addiction compulsed them to steal whatever was lying around his neighbor's property and his neighbor shot him. Or, fearing that he'd get arrested for either trespassing or stealing, he waylaid his neighbor and either mained or killed him so he could pillage unchecked.

I don't think you want that. It is better that the worst remains off limits.

The old "new wine into new wine skins" adage is at play here, and I just don't see any hope for the United States on this front.

It'll be hard work, but I believe it can be done. "Where there is a will there is a way," the old saying goes. If you wish to start over, pick any uninhabited South Pacific Isle and go for it. Seriously, I'd like to see the attempt made. You sound like you could do it, I'm not mocking you or wanting to see you fail, I think you can do it.

But I will remain here and tough it out.

[Hologram]

But what a slippery slope you climb when government intercedes as the moral authority on our lives. For the government (an entity whose only purpose was to protect our Constitutional rights as Americans and provide us with an army for protection) to become a moral-surrogate is only doomed to failure.

Who said the Federal Government was a Moral Authority? The physical and mental degradation of the citizenry is a Public Saftey and Health Issue.

Unless you want to see more people shot because their addiction compulsed them to steal whatever was lying around his neighbor's property and his neighbor shot him. Or, fearing that he'd get arrested for either trespassing or stealing, he waylaid his neighbor and either mained or killed him so he could pillage unchecked.

I don't think you want that. It is better that the worst remains off limits.

Well, the thing is, if you think about it, the only reason they have to resort to a life of crime to pay for their addiction is because the lack of legality has made it so incredibly expensive.

I mean, we used to have heroin kits for sale at drug stores or opium dens all over the place and while the people scared about the moral safety of America cared about it, and crime wasn't a huge factor involved with those addictions until it became illegal.


And if you want proof of my line of thinking, look at Prohibition and how that went. Hell, organized crime didn't exist until Prohibition started, because suddenly there was much less supply for the same amount of demand of alcohol and companies took advantage of it. And it just so happens that those companies were illegitimate and had to resort to crime to keep their profits up.

[DaGip]

But what a slippery slope you climb when government intercedes as the moral authority on our lives. For the government (an entity whose only purpose was to protect our Constitutional rights as Americans and provide us with an army for protection) to become a moral-surrogate is only doomed to failure.

Who said the Federal Government was a Moral Authority?

Surely not the government, as that is only in the realm of God, but I would say getting involved with a non-winnable Drug War is being a surrogate of those associations and institutions that have been dealing with those types of problems from the beginning.

The physical and mental degradation of the citizenry is a Public Saftey and Health Issue.

Unless you want to see more people shot because their addiction compulsed them to steal whatever was lying around his neighbor's property and his neighbor shot him. Or, fearing that he'd get arrested for either trespassing or stealing, he waylaid his neighbor and either mained or killed him so he could pillage unchecked.

Before the government got involved, society was dependent on a more localized solution to the problem via churches and associative voluntary support. The communities took care of its own. Only until the government implemented a prohibitive policy on certain drugs did we end up having drug lords and drug related crime. I agree with Hologram on this issue, and I think he explained the general conservative stance on the issue.

I don't think you want that. It is better that the worst remains off limits.

That is why i am saying it is a slippery-slope and that I believe it is beyond being fixed. I am sorry I am not as optimistic as you are, I used to be, believe me, but in light of the current body politic, I am beginning to see a more dismal array in society. I am trying not to, but I just can't help it. Maybe I have watched too much news, so I am trying to cut down. I am trying to focus on other things to keep my mind off of what is about to happen in a very short time.

The old "new wine into new wine skins" adage is at play here, and I just don't see any hope for the United States on this front.

It'll be hard work, but I believe it can be done. "Where there is a will there is a way," the old saying goes. If you wish to start over, pick any uninhabited South Pacific Isle and go for it. Seriously, I'd like to see the attempt made. You sound like you could do it, I'm not mocking you or wanting to see you fail, I think you can do it.

But I will remain here and tough it out.

I don't plan on going to an island, sorry. Maybe that's what you communists would like, is for all the Libertarian-Conservatives to leave, but we are not. You guys will have to put us in your little chicken wire prisons and ear tag us. And I ain't mocking you, but I want to see Communism fail, and I will remain here and tough it out with you Communist infiltrators.

Liberty or Death.

[chaosfactor]

I TEE hee hee some-time on dope.

I laugh my nuts off

I am the best example on this forum

That is still online

That you should neever neeeevver let your daughter marry.
The amount of furkin future father-in-laws that have become with me and a hard place is negotiable, APPLY the English Headbutt, and His daughter is butt fuckkked. I sometimes feel sorry for CUNTA WANKA BASTARDA WICKEDLESS TWATS.

BUt then that is my problem

[DaGip]

I TEE hee hee some-time on dope.

I laugh my nuts off

I am the best example on this forum

That is still online

That you should neever neeeevver let your daughter marry.
The amount of furkin future father-in-laws that have become with me and a hard place is negotiable, APPLY the English Headbutt, and His daughter is butt fuckkked. I sometimes feel sorry for CUNTA WANKA BASTARDA WICKEDLESS TWATS.

BUt then that is my problem

Sheer poetry, my friend...sheer and utter poetry, Daddeeyo!

[DaGip]

I thought this would be of some interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGuvnJavfus

[Snorri1234]

Damn, why can't CC just take some time off when I'm gone? Now I have to read this thread again.

[DaGip]

Damn, why can't CC just take some time off when I'm gone? Now I have to read this thread again.

Smoke some weed and you won't have to read this thread at all.

[Snorri1234]

Who said the Federal Government was a Moral Authority?

They did when they interfered with our right to do whatever we want with our body.

The physical and mental degradation of the citizenry is a Public Saftey and Health Issue.

Degradation is a big word to describe this. And even so, it's really not that obvious that the government should mingle into this. Take a page from Nappy's book. He at least admits that a society should allow these things because it shouldn't interfere with what we do. Smoking weed should be something allowed regardless of whether you think it's bad or not.

Unless you want to see more people shot because their addiction compulsed them to steal whatever was lying around his neighbor's property and his neighbor shot him. Or, fearing that he'd get arrested for either trespassing or stealing, he waylaid his neighbor and either mained or killed him so he could pillage unchecked.

Stealing junkies are mainly a problem due to the banning of the drugs. If quality-drugs are easily to get it will bring prices down and resort to less crime.


Banning drugs really only plays into the hands of criminals. They profit from it!

[Juan_Bottom]

Banning drugs really only plays into the hands of criminals. They profit from it!

And the government too! Oh wait same difference...

[DaGip]

Banning drugs really only plays into the hands of criminals. They profit from it!

And the government too! Oh wait same difference...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3pl5Wxgyg

Enjoy!

Someday, I will get to reading this guys book.

[chaosfactor]

Dope gets you through

Times of no conquer club


Better than conquer club

Gets you through times of no Dope

[PLAYER57832]

But what a slippery slope you climb when government intercedes as the moral authority on our lives. For the government (an entity whose only purpose was to protect our Constitutional rights as Americans and provide us with an army for protection) to become a moral-surrogate is only doomed to failure.

Who said the Federal Government was a Moral Authority? The physical and mental degradation of the citizenry is a Public Saftey and Health Issue.

True

Unless you want to see more people shot because their addiction compulsed them to steal whatever was lying around his neighbor's property and his neighbor shot him. Or, fearing that he'd get arrested for either trespassing or stealing, he waylaid his neighbor and either mained or killed him so he could pillage unchecked.

[/quote]
REALITY CHECK! This is marahuana, not cocaine, meth or heroine.

Now, I don't smoke or otherwise use marihuana and won't. I have been exposed through wildland fires and such and saw the whole "war on marihauna" evolve.

Marihauna is not even considered physically addictive, though some say it is emotionally addictive. Tobacco, on the other hand is HIGHLY addictive, responsible for large percentages of lung cancer, and fully legal! Alchohol can be used wisely, but causes more crashes every day than marihuana causes in a year. In fact, working with EMT's and such in the CA emerald triangle region, we did not see crashes from marihuana, but saw plenty from alchohol. (though some people do mix the two).

IN fact, it wasn't until the "campaign against marihauna" that we started seeing an escalation of the violance, began to see gangs and even mob involvement. Working on federal lands suddenly became dangerous up there because we had to watch for hidden "planations" gaurded by booby traps. That said, there were a couple of renegade towns up in the mountains. A marshall or FBI agent (can't remember which, but its a pretty well known tale) was murdered up in Denny. BUT that was remarkable because of the rarity. Corruption, idiots happen everywhere. It just so happens that in this case, it was marihuana and not prostitution, embezzlement or some other issue.

Did you read earlier about the REAL history of making marihuana illegal? I will just synopse a bit, but the REAL reasons it was made illegal was that it posed a direct threat to the timber industry (hemp was used for paper before the technology evolved to make it from wood pulp) and fuel industry (similarly, research to using hemp as a fuel source dead ended.. maybe it would not have gone anywhere anyhow, but who knows?)

[chaosfactor]

I am living proof it destroys braincells!!!!

[DaGip]

Unless you want to see more people shot because their addiction compulsed them to steal whatever was lying around his neighbor's property and his neighbor shot him. Or, fearing that he'd get arrested for either trespassing or stealing, he waylaid his neighbor and either mained or killed him so he could pillage unchecked.

REALITY CHECK! This is marahuana, not cocaine, meth or heroine.

PLAYER, You missed quoted that excerpt, as I was not the one stating that. Jenos was.

[DaGip]

Just saw this on CNN. There is legislature in place that would decriminalize marijuana up to 100 grams. This is the smartest piece of legislature that has been presented to date:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYXFZYuoq3U

[danodukebb]

question though, for those of us who are on probation for pot charges, would we be off the hook? or say this bill was passed tomororw, would I still be on probation for the rest of my two years????

[DaGip]

question though, for those of us who are on probation for pot charges, would we be off the hook? or say this bill was passed tomororw, would I still be on probation for the rest of my two years????

Perhaps it depends on the circumstances of your arrest, i guess. If you were just arrested for possessing a joint and that was it...I would say you might be let off the hook, but if you had some other charges along with the marijuana charge, you might still be looking at jail time and/or probation.

Depends on how the legislature is written. The verbiage would have to be pretty specific in dealing with current offenders of laws that would be no longer on the books or not as stringent.