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Postby t-o-m on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:05 am

Ok, new poll.

Question:
Should the legend backgrounds be lighter (A) or darker (B)?


Poll Options:



A (lighter/normal):
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B (darker):
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Please feel free to suggest any other option, or vote "A mix of the two"
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 XML 1st draft [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby cena-rules on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:05 am

b
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 XML 1st draft [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:13 am

cena-rules wrote:b

that was quick :lol:

but the poll creation is fvcking up big time - i do it and they come out 4 times and in no order at all.
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so annoying, so like Zeak and Mj did - i will do a manual poll.

A - 0 votes
B - 1 vote (cena-rules, t-o-m)
C - 0 votes
Other - 0 votes
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby ZeakCytho on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:14 am

I vote A.
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 XML 1st draft [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:15 am

t-o-m wrote:A - 1 votes (Zeak)
B - 1 vote (cena-rules, t-o-m)
C - 0 votes
Other - 0 votes
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby cena-rules on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:21 am

does your vote not count?
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:24 am

cena-rules wrote:does your vote not count?

lol
i forgot, ill just update it.
t-o-m wrote:
t-o-m wrote:A - 1 votes (Zeak)
B - 2 vote (cena-rules, t-o-m)
C - 0 votes
Other - 0 votes
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby jakeo94 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:30 pm

i think that vrs 2.5 is perfect and then it was down hill from there but very ambisios
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby MrBenn on Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:17 am

MrBenn wrote:I'm not sure it's just the colour... have a play around and try something different - remember the aim is to improve on what you've got.

I still dislike the legend changing the brightness won't help that much...

As for the poll, please keep track of the posts in one place by editing, rather than continual bumping/spamming. I'm not sure you can count your own vote either ;-)
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:34 am

MrBenn wrote:I still dislike the legend changing the brightness won't help that much...

do you mean different shapes?
MrBenn wrote:As for the poll, please keep track of the posts in one place by editing, rather than continual bumping/spamming.

it doesnt bump it if i post right after the person votes, but i will sort something out.
MrBenn wrote:I'm not sure you can count your own vote either ;-)

why not?
I can have a say in the map as well cant i?
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:54 pm

ok - XML done i hope, ill have another scan through it soon.
small coordinates done:

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I will center the large when do the higher quality large.


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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby MrBenn on Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:56 pm

You need to drop the Menebe number down 1px
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:03 pm

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Everything So Far

Postby t-o-m on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:09 pm

Large:

Image

To-Do on Large:

  • Fix the title background bevel.
  • Fix army circles.
  • Fix some mountain tops.
  • Center Coordinates.


Small:

Image

To-Do on Small:

  • decide on legend.
  • Tidy anything up that anyone wants tidying up.
  • anything else anyone brings up.


Small Centering:

Image


Large Centering:

  • To-Do


XML:

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        <smallheight>600</smallheight>
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        <filetype>png</filetype>

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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby snapdoodle on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:17 pm

Does anyone else think the island looks like it's floating above the water rather than in it? I think it's because there's a shadow of darker water immediately around the island. Deeper water should be darker.
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:20 pm

snapdoodle wrote:Does anyone else think the island looks like it's floating above the water rather than in it? I think it's because there's a shadow of darker water immediately around the island. Deeper water should be darker.

Mr Benn does :P

how do you think i could improove on this?
im not sure a glow would help.
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:39 pm

what left for FF?
and minor nitpicks?
(or major? :P)
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby snapdoodle on Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:20 pm

not a glow. it needs to blend better. i'm not sure what you would do exactly since you've got the bevel on this. i thought you had a drop shadow going on but i think maybe it's the texture of the sea.

also, why does the legend on the large and small differ so much?

the text "impassables"... can you move it further off the mountains?
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby ZeakCytho on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:43 am

snapdoodle wrote:Does anyone else think the island looks like it's floating above the water rather than in it? I think it's because there's a shadow of darker water immediately around the island. Deeper water should be darker.


I've been saying the coasts and water texture look off since version 1 :roll:
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:04 am

snapdoodle wrote:Does anyone else think the island looks like it's floating above the water rather than in it? I think it's because there's a shadow of darker water immediately around the island. Deeper water should be darker.

so are you saying that the water immediately around the island should be lighter?
ZeakCytho wrote:I've been saying the coasts and water texture look off since version 1

have you compared version 1 to the current?
it isnt the same map,
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby snapdoodle on Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:18 am

no... i think what i'm saying is that right now is that it doesn't look intentional. if you don't mind it floating i think you need to experiment how it blends with the surrounding body of water.

it might be the bevel that you're using to texture the land doesn't fit too well with the style of the water and the paint strokes used for the bonuses. Those 2 elements have an very specific look to them.

Essentially the island and the water are clashing and drawing attention to the point where it's the most obvious: the coast. I'm not entirely certain what's causing it but i know it needs a bit of care.

You might also consider outlining the entire island in the thick brush you used to separate bonus. That might be an easy way to go through with it but i'm not sure if it will visually get you what you want.

I don't think just lightening the water will solve what i'm talking about.
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:20 am

snapdoodle wrote:no... i think what i'm saying is that right now is that it doesn't look intentional. if you don't mind it floating i think you need to experiment how it blends with the surrounding body of water.

i do quite like the clash of strong colours, i like the sea colour a lot.
snapdoodle wrote:it might be the bevel that you're using to texture the land doesn't fit too well with the style of the water and the paint strokes used for the bonuses. Those 2 elements have an very specific look to them.

yes it is the bevel i think.
snapdoodle wrote:You might also consider outlining the entire island in the thick brush you used to separate bonus. That might be an easy way to go through with it but i'm not sure if it will visually get you what you want.

a stroke? i dont think that would look very good :(
snapdoodle wrote:I don't think just lightening the water will solve what i'm talking about.

yes, i dont think so either, however for me it isnt a big deal because i like the clash of colours, i know i could have the clash with the island blending - but i am yet to find a way.

thanks for the comments snap, ill try to find a way but i think its the style of the island that wouldnt really go with many things.
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby t-o-m on Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:09 am

is this any better?
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby Lubawski on Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:56 am

Looks great. I hope it gets passed. I like B better. The colors are more distinct.
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Re: Madagascar- Page 1&29 New Legend Poll [I, Gp, Gr]

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:56 pm

Additionally, it might be worthwhile to consider adding an outline around the minimap, just so there is some separation between the minimap and the background. Or something, just so it doesn't blend in all together.


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