Marijuana...

[Hologram]

YEA!!!! so every fucking idiot in america would get stupider and mor lazy sweet bunch a fuckin morons "pot helps me concentrate"......"pot helps me remeber shit"............no pot makes u believe ur stupid asses are normal!!!

Judging from your grammatical skills, you have no right to judge the intelligence of other people. No intelligent person would post as you have.

GFY and GTFU.

Coming from HOLOGRAM--that's some funny stuff there. GFY

Well, I just really despise stupid people.

Shouldn't it be "GTFO" instead of "GTFU"? I'm just asking.

Hahaha, yeah it should. That's my bad.

[Hologram]

I'd say "yes". I don't smoke, I havn't since about 2000. I know a bunch of people that do. If beer is legal, why not weed? I mean like this joke a comedian told one time "Never have I gotten high with some friends and had someone smash a bong over my head because they thought I was looking at their girlfriend the wrong way". Getting high and lazy has to be safer than getting drunk and violent. Who has ever gotten so high that they forgot what they were doing and slept with the wrong person? Who has ever gotten high and then tried to drive home and crashed head on into another car? Right? Or like Drew Carry said "I can go to a drive through beer store but can't smoke pot in my basement?" That's just my ideas FOR it. I'm sure there are a lot of good arguments against it too.

Actually, marijuana, being a halucinogen, does effect one's ability to drive, so yeah. But I definitely see your point and it is valid. And I'm probably one of the few people who've never done drugs (and won't for that matter) and thinks that drugs should be legalized. But whatever.

[radiojake]

I'd say "yes". I don't smoke, I havn't since about 2000. I know a bunch of people that do. If beer is legal, why not weed? I mean like this joke a comedian told one time "Never have I gotten high with some friends and had someone smash a bong over my head because they thought I was looking at their girlfriend the wrong way". Getting high and lazy has to be safer than getting drunk and violent. Who has ever gotten so high that they forgot what they were doing and slept with the wrong person? Who has ever gotten high and then tried to drive home and crashed head on into another car? Right? Or like Drew Carry said "I can go to a drive through beer store but can't smoke pot in my basement?" That's just my ideas FOR it. I'm sure there are a lot of good arguments against it too.

Actually, marijuana, being a halucinogen, does effect one's ability to drive, so yeah. But I definitely see your point and it is valid. And I'm probably one of the few people who've never done drugs (and won't for that matter) and thinks that drugs should be legalized. But whatever.

A sober person, not ever having done drugs, can't ever come to the conclusion that 'marijuana is a halucinogen and effects one's ability to drive' without any real authority. Driving stoned is in no way comparable to driving drunk (ive done both, - ashamedly driven drunk maybe 2 or 3 times, and it was dodgy - Driven stoned so often I couldn't count and haven't been close to crashing - its fine if you can handle it)

BTW @ Dagip - Stoned and playing guitar now - good times! Quit that lame job that drug tests. How is that even legal? I'm not sure if it is here, only heard of drug testing when starting a job, but no random checks afterwards

[Juan_Bottom]

And I'm probably one of the few people who've never done drugs (and won't for that matter) and thinks that drugs should be legalized.

Me either, and me too! HOLOGRAM is one cool MF.

A sober person, not ever having done drugs, can't ever come to the conclusion that 'marijuana is a halucinogen and effects one's ability to drive' without any real authority.

What are you, stoned?

(ive done both, - ashamedly driven drunk maybe 2 or 3 times, and it was dodgy - Driven stoned so often I couldn't count and haven't been close to crashing - its fine if you can handle it)

Idiot. "I almost crashed, but didn't,....I can handle it." Idiot.

[Nickbaldwin]

(ive done both, - ashamedly driven drunk maybe 2 or 3 times, and it was dodgy - Driven stoned so often I couldn't count and haven't been close to crashing - its fine if you can handle it)

Idiot. "I almost crashed, but didn't,....I can handle it." Idiot.

I think you missed the point....

Anyway, I would like it to be legalised, I much prefer it to tobacco, and it doesn't f*ck me up as much as alcohol. It doesn't make sense for it to be illegal while alcohol is legal.

[Juan_Bottom]

(ive done both, - ashamedly driven drunk maybe 2 or 3 times, and it was dodgy - Driven stoned so often I couldn't count and haven't been close to crashing - its fine if you can handle it)

Idiot. "I almost crashed, but didn't,....I can handle it." Idiot.

I think you missed the point....

Anyway, I would like it to be legalised, I much prefer it to tobacco, and it doesn't f*ck me up as much as alcohol. It doesn't make sense for it to be illegal while alcohol is legal.

Thank you, I did. My apologies.

[DaGip]

BTW @ Dagip - Stoned and playing guitar now - good times! Quit that lame job that drug tests. How is that even legal? I'm not sure if it is here, only heard of drug testing when starting a job, but no random checks afterwards

I really don't know how drug testing even fits in with the Constitution. Isn't it an infringement on a citizen's right to privacy? That's how I always have seen it. I remember once getting a job as a gas station attendant, and they wanted me to take a drug test for that. Now who drug tests gas station attendants? They would never ever have anyone working for them!

I don't know why, but guitar feels so awesome when I am stoned...

The stats on the number of people dying from Heroin vs Tobacco per year is 10,000 vs 450,000...do the math! I don't know what the number is for deaths from Marijuana smoking? Probably close to zero!

I bet this guy smokes or used to smoke weed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02bPPB_0zDw

If you don't have video, then I will transcribe it for you, it is Henry Rollins making his Freedom Is Under Attack speech:

FREEDOM is under attack!

(It's) under attack by hysterical and well-funded Christian psychotics. Intellectually under-nourished leaders, who lie and manipulate information. (They are) overfed, Baby Huey, coward-bitch-motherfuckers like Karl Rove and their suck up weakling apologists, like Sean Hannity.

To question authority is to be somehow unpatriotic, unamerican, and in league with terrorists worldwide? FUCK YOU!

With even election results becoming more and more questionable--the Constitution, a thing to be manipulated, ignored, and frivolously amended--even democracy itself seems to be on the run.

So where is the ONE place you can go and tell your version of the truth? Rail against liars, fakes, and propagandists with your own unique propaganda (and) sign your name to it and let the whole world know how you feel?...That's right--the Internet.

(It is) perhaps responsible for the most substantial shifts in culture in the last several decades. There is so much freedom and potential on the worldwide web, that one is barely able to get one's head around it.

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DARE to regulate or charge websites to be on the Internet? Who would dare to rain on a parade so fantastic, that many of us would not know what to do without our high speed connection and our lives on the Internet.

Actually, some very powerful forces. Teleco-companies want to make you pay for your site to be carried on the Internet. If you can't afford to pay, guess what? That's right, you're cyber-history, pal! The Bush administration wants major Internet and phone companies to keep track of where their customers serve. All in the name on the war on terror, don't you know?

How much do you want to bet (that) they want the Internet regulated, contained, and thrown into a cell at Guantanamo Bay. For a country that talks so much about freedom being on the march, it seems to me that some people want anything but.

If they come for your Freedom, you must not only resist (but you) must strike back with a vengeance that will stun them. On this front if your anger and outrage are not at the forefront, then you are already DEAD! Dead to me, anyway.

FUCK these cowards!

...these traitors!

...these ENEMIES of democracy!

[Juan_Bottom]

The stats on the number of people dying from Heroin vs Tobacco per year is 10,000 vs 450,000...do the math! I don't know what the number is for deaths from Marijuana smoking? Probably close to zero!

That's not a good argument, now I want tobacco to be illegal too. JK?

I don't think anyone in the history of the world has died from Marijuana. All the great things that it can do for your body(prevent breast cancer from spreading too?!?! WOWEE) I'm pretty sure that MJ only makes you stronger.

Is there anything this wonder drug can't do when taken responsably? No.

[DaGip]

Smoke some weed and watch and listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHJA8M0d ... re=related

[Anarkistsdream]

Smoke some weed and watch and listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHJA8M0d ... re=related

Can I smoke and NOT watch this?

[Ditocoaf]

Can I smoke and NOT watch this?

QFT

[chaosfactor]

4 Years ago I met a farmer in Morocco who sold me 150 grammes of his harvest.

A part of the purchase order was the demand that the merchandise be broken up into 5 grammed bullets.

Another was that the 30 OVAL shaped farm produced items, be wrapped in several layers of cling-film and Beeswax. (Obviously for transportation issue's).

After I swallowed the 30 Nuggets(a lengthly gagging process involving a lot of water>?>?>)

Via the port of Tangiers-Gibraltar-London-Brixton I journeyed home

I sat on my toilet awaiting my golden eggs....

I waited,,, I waited and I waited.

Two days passed,,,, and I had past nothing,,, Lacking the money for food as my monetary investment had been already spent, I agreed to a Job working with Bo Diddley.

Half way through the concert I had to run to the WC and I spent 10minutes shitting out Cling-film, Clingfilm, Clingfilm, and nothing else at all.
I made it back to the audience to see the last 30 minutes of Bo Diddely squat stoned out of my fuckin goard on 150 grammes of Morrocan finest.

My question to you,, as it has been to many others,, Should I not have over-dosed??

[fireedud]

I Just read somewhere that they just banned tobbacco in the Netherlands, but marijuana is still legal.

[Juan_Bottom]

My question to you,, as it has been to many others,, Should I not have over-dosed??

And probably died too, I think...

[chaosfactor]

Are you the MAD person that has been driving the forum's insane with your inane drivel?

Welcome JEDI

[Juan_Bottom]

Are you the MAD person that has been driving the forum's mad with your inane drivel?

Ahhhhhhh...................................... no?

[chaosfactor]

A pint of J-B all round I think is in order

"Dope gets you through times of no money"

"Better than money get's you through times of no dope"

An expression taken from Free-Wheelin Franklin

[MeDeFe]

I Just read somewhere that they just banned tobbacco in the Netherlands, but marijuana is still legal.

Wasn't it smoking in bars and public buildings that was banned? Except in designated, separate areas. Something like that I think.

[Jenos Ridan]

All drugs should be decriminalised, no question. You'd halve the crime rate at a stroke.
But of course, most drugs f*ck you up.

Which is why they are illegal to begin with.

Weed I can see legalized, but taxed to death. All the others should remain regulated.

[Ditocoaf]

All drugs should be decriminalised, no question. You'd halve the crime rate at a stroke.
But of course, most drugs f*ck you up.

Which is why they are illegal to begin with.

Weed I can see legalized, but taxed to death. All the others should remain regulated.

yeah... while I've heard the "is weed better/worse than tobacco/alcohol" debated over and over again, it's hard to contest that if you arranged drugs into "tiers", weed is a lot more comparable (in health risk) to those two legal drugs than to most other illegal drugs.

[Jenos Ridan]

All drugs should be decriminalised, no question. You'd halve the crime rate at a stroke.
But of course, most drugs f*ck you up.

Which is why they are illegal to begin with.

Weed I can see legalized, but taxed to death. All the others should remain regulated.

yeah... while I've heard the "is weed better/worse than tobacco/alcohol" debated over and over again, it's hard to contest that if you arranged drugs into "tiers", weed is a lot more comparable (in health risk) to those two legal drugs than to most other illegal drugs.

Which is why I can see weed legalized with no moral hangups, but stuff like Heroin and Cocaine should remain heavily regulated and the killer crap like PCP and Meth should stay outlawed.

This all comes from someone who believes the 21 drinking law is stupid and finds it equally stupid that people can buy cannons out of the mail-order Dixie Gun Catalogue at any age with a credit card, but a handgun can't be bought any earlier than 21 (a good shooter can wax maybe 7-8 people on one clip. Whereas one can take out twenty or more with a cannon loading with nails and other loose stuff that can be picked up anywhere, hmmmm. Gee, I wonder which would do more harm: a piddling 9mm or six or more pounds of nails, broken glass, rocks and whatever else fired out of a cannon?). I like the idea of the waiting period and background checks, but some of the laws are just insensible on the face of them.

Just wait until HeavyCola sees this, it'll cause his poor pencil-necked sheeple Limey heart to seize up.

[MeDeFe]

Feel like posting in the logic dictates thread, too, Jenos?

And don't worry about HC, I think he can handle that.

[DaGip]

All drugs should be decriminalised, no question. You'd halve the crime rate at a stroke.
But of course, most drugs f*ck you up.

Which is why they are illegal to begin with.

Weed I can see legalized, but taxed to death. All the others should remain regulated.

yeah... while I've heard the "is weed better/worse than tobacco/alcohol" debated over and over again, it's hard to contest that if you arranged drugs into "tiers", weed is a lot more comparable (in health risk) to those two legal drugs than to most other illegal drugs.

Which is why I can see weed legalized with no moral hangups, but stuff like Heroin and Cocaine should remain heavily regulated and the killer crap like PCP and Meth should stay outlawed.

This all comes from someone who believes the 21 drinking law is stupid and finds it equally stupid that people can buy cannons out of the mail-order Dixie Gun Catalogue at any age with a credit card, but a handgun can't be bought any earlier than 21 (a good shooter can wax maybe 7-8 people on one clip. Whereas one can take out twenty or more with a cannon loading with nails and other loose stuff that can be picked up anywhere, hmmmm. Gee, I wonder which would do more harm: a piddling 9mm or six or more pounds of nails, broken glass, rocks and whatever else fired out of a cannon?). I like the idea of the waiting period and background checks, but some of the laws are just insensible on the face of them.

Just wait until HeavyCola sees this, it'll cause his poor pencil-necked sheeple Limey heart to seize up.

The War on Drugs has put us into a predicament. At first glance, the Drug War seemed like a good thing, it was meant to be positive. Simple enough, right? You just make drugs illegal and you enforce it as a deterrent.

But what a slippery slope you climb when government intercedes as the moral authority on our lives. For the government (an entity whose only purpose was to protect our Constitutional rights as Americans and provide us with an army for protection) to become a moral-surrogate is only doomed to failure. Before the Drug War, sure there were some stoners, sure there were some coke heads. There will always be addicts, but that is not the place of the government to stick its nose, that is a personal/mental issue, one of which can be handled by a strong community. The community may have supported certain associations or religious institutions before the government got involved, now the Drug War has become a business.

The People's right to property become a mute point, as property was seized by the government and turned into cash to fund itself. The forbiddance of at first Marijuana and then Cocaine, had only lead people to seek other alternatives. To say that you are for one drug being legal and another being illegal is a total double standard. If one drug is bad then how can the others be good? The best thing to do is to let it all be legal, tax it, and enforce societal laws revolving around its use.

Sure Meth is bad, but it wouldn't have such a pull on our society if we didn't have a War on Drugs. For example, when I lived in Arizona, everybody did coke, but very few did Meth. The coke-heads despised the tweekers. But when the government came down hard on the illegal drug trade on the Mexican border and shut down around 30% of the cocaine traffic into America, the Mexican Mafia switched over to making Meth and selling it. The once proud Coke-Heads now found themselves switching their addiction from cocaine to a much more powerful methamphetamine. The buzz was so much bigger and lasted so much longer. You got a bigger ride for your buck. So now Meth is king and coke is just something you mix with Jack Daniels (if you like such things).

The Drug War made small minority gangs large and powerful. If you take the Drug War away, these gangs will disintegrate. Prohibition was found to be a negative thing on society, as Americans found out. The Amendment was repealed and the alcohol lords lost all their power over society, the same would be expected with the gangs in power today.

I think the damage and corruption that has been done by this stint of the War on Drugs is beyond repair. The best thing to do is establish a New Nation as patching up this one only leads to further fissures in our society. The old "new wine into new wine skins" adage is at play here, and I just don't see any hope for the United States on this front.

[MeDeFe]

It's a 'moot point', not 'mute'.

[PLAYER57832]

Well, interestingly enough the US is about to have a change in government ... it happens ever 4- 8 years, as a rule...

So who knows, you might just get your wish!