Das Schloß [QUENCHED #2]

[barterer2002]

[quote="cairnswk]I am not sure we would be able to, even though i would like it also, to have a special "win the objective" where a player wins as soon as they capture the objectives just for this map.
It would be worth asking the question.
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Personally I've always thought that the objectives, as described on the maps that use objectives, is confusing. The mapmakers all understand the idea that you have to hold an objective through all the opponent's turns but IMO it is not communicated well on the maps themselves. Most of them describe an objective but don't tell a player that you have to hold for a whole turn.

I wouldn't object to the idea that holding an objective-ever-is a win. Holding Sanctuary (and breaking through its 75 neutrals) in AOR2 seems like it should garner a win as a strategy. Holding the entire Gazala line, plus Tobruk plus whatever else you need in the WWII Gazala map similarly seems to be reasonsable. I would contend that the same holds true in Das Schloss.

In short I will disagree with the hard line stance that is sometimes taken that says that anyone who doesn't think that objectives need to be held through a turn is an idiot. I disagree with it in Feudal, AOR and I'll disagree with it here even more vehemently when its impossible to kill the opponent.

[cairnswk]

When You write AA can bombard positions C1-C2 through to Y1-Y2. The "to" is an unnecessary word, possibly incorrect English.

I'd question that! When i was taught english it was correct, and if my guess is correct you're from the USA aren't you fireedud....so i wouldn't quote that way you learn and speak English in the States is exactly correct English, as the States has developed some phraseology of its own, and what you are offering there sounds to me awfully like the American way of saying the same thing. Americans drop lots of words in their daily speak. I prefer what i have there thanks.
But i am not worried about that. How about some comment on gameplay please.

[cairnswk]

....and I'll disagree with it here even more vehemently when its impossible to kill the opponent.

You have my vote on this

[brandoncfi]

Can you comment on my proposal:

Solution to stalemate proposed is:
1. Escape aircraft starts with 20 or more neutrals
2. After Capture, the escape aircraft can conquer the parachutes
3. So that the escape aircraft is not captured too early in the game, the airport road would be re-configured so that players would have to battle into town and back out again
4. The helipad remains a killer neutral.

I like your proposal...I love the idea of just an objective map but I think that this would be the best fix to the problem.

[cairnswk]

Can you comment on my proposal:

Solution to stalemate proposed is:
1. Escape aircraft starts with 20 or more neutrals
2. After Capture, the escape aircraft can conquer the parachutes
3. So that the escape aircraft is not captured too early in the game, the airport road would be re-configured so that players would have to battle into town and back out again
4. The helipad remains a killer neutral.

I like your proposal...I love the idea of just an objective map but I think that this would be the best fix to the problem.

Well, i will keep this in reserve if the objective only map doesn't work out. Thanks brandoncfi

[Lufsen75]

Can you comment on my proposal:

Solution to stalemate proposed is:
1. Escape aircraft starts with 20 or more neutrals
2. After Capture, the escape aircraft can conquer the parachutes
3. So that the escape aircraft is not captured too early in the game, the airport road would be re-configured so that players would have to battle into town and back out again
4. The helipad remains a killer neutral.

I like your proposal...I love the idea of just an objective map but I think that this would be the best fix to the problem.

Well, i will keep this in reserve if the objective only map doesn't work out. Thanks brandoncfi

I can live with this suggestion as long as I can kill the other players. If it is hard or not doesnt matter, the possibility must be there.

[*manimal]

Can you comment on my proposal:

Solution to stalemate proposed is:
1. Escape aircraft starts with 20 or more neutrals
2. After Capture, the escape aircraft can conquer the parachutes
3. So that the escape aircraft is not captured too early in the game, the airport road would be re-configured so that players would have to battle into town and back out again
4. The helipad remains a killer neutral.

I like your proposal...I love the idea of just an objective map but I think that this would be the best fix to the problem.

Well, i will keep this in reserve if the objective only map doesn't work out. Thanks brandoncfi

I can live with this suggestion as long as I can kill the other players. If it is hard or not doesnt matter, the possibility must be there.

If your going to make this a map where killing is possible I loved the original idea of objective only. Put like 75 on escape aircraft so it is still a pretty long game and can't be captured early. Also make the escape aircraft a killer neutral.

[cairnswk]

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I can live with this suggestion as long as I can kill the other players. If it is hard or not doesnt matter, the possibility must be there.

Lufsen75...at this stage the map will remain an objective only map with no possibility of killing others completely. If this doesn't work out this time around, then i will change it again to include that option for the aircraft attacking the paratroopers.

[*manimal]

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I can live with this suggestion as long as I can kill the other players. If it is hard or not doesnt matter, the possibility must be there.

Lufsen75...at this stage the map will remain an objective only map with no possibility of killing others completely. If this doesn't work out this time around, then i will change it again to include that option for the aircraft attacking the paratroopers.

I would love for this to stay an objective only map.

[cairnswk]

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I can live with this suggestion as long as I can kill the other players. If it is hard or not doesnt matter, the possibility must be there.

Lufsen75...at this stage the map will remain an objective only map with no possibility of killing others completely. If this doesn't work out this time around, then i will change it again to include that option for the aircraft attacking the paratroopers.

I would love for this to stay an objective only map.

Aye, that it will, i was going to answer your other post shortly, so please forgive. Thanks for posting your feedback.

[pamoa]

If your going to make this a map where killing is possible I loved the original idea of objective only. Put like 75 on escape aircraft so it is still a pretty long game and can't be captured early. Also make the escape aircraft a killer neutral.

It is impossible to put an objective as killer neutral, it would be impossible to hold it for 1 turn because you would be killed doing so!

[*manimal]

If your going to make this a map where killing is possible I loved the original idea of objective only. Put like 75 on escape aircraft so it is still a pretty long game and can't be captured early. Also make the escape aircraft a killer neutral.

It is impossible to put an objective as killer neutral, it would be impossible to hold it for 1 turn because you would be killed doing so!

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl do you even read I was talking about if he didnt make it an objective map.

[t.e.c]

cairnswk, can you please put what page the new map is on in the title? thanks.

[cairnswk]

cairnswk, can you please put what page the new map is on in the title? thanks.

sorry t.e.c.

Current Version

[seamusk]

cairnswk, can you please put what page the new map is on in the title? thanks.

sorry t.e.c.

Current Version

btw, I keep having trouble with your images loading.

I know that the bonus shift helps, but I think AA is gonna be killing fields again. I thought you had changed that earlier but obviously didn't keep up on it. How about if AA could only attack one line (say C2 to Y2) instead of both C1 to Y1 and C2 to Y2). This would significantly limit what it can do and allow folks to position themselves for rushes a bit better. Sorry if I missed discussion of this that contradicts my thoughts.

The perspective on the new bridge on the new road isn't working for me. Not sure exactly why.

[cairnswk]

btw, I keep having trouble with your images loading.

must be something in the air....

I know that the bonus shift helps, but I think AA is gonna be killing fields again. I thought you had changed that earlier but obviously didn't keep up on it. How about if AA could only attack one line (say C2 to Y2) instead of both C1 to Y1 and C2 to Y2). This would significantly limit what it can do and allow folks to position themselves for rushes a bit better. Sorry if I missed discussion of this that contradicts my thoughts.

that is good suggestion....

The perspective on the new bridge on the new road isn't working for me. Not sure exactly why.

yes me also....it's the top down-side on thing

[Lufsen75]

You must have the oppostunity to take the other out cause otherwise you must hold it to a fewer players and surely without cards.

[cairnswk]

You must have the oppostunity to take the other out cause otherwise you must hold it to a fewer players and surely without cards.

Lufsen75,,,,why would you play a map like this "without cards" when you know it has "issues" of not being able to eliminate players.

[AndyDufresne]

On a slight side note, Lackattack has now added to the Instructions--> How To Play --> Game Play Notes:

Some maps have objectives which you must conquer and hold for one round to win the game.

--Andy

[*manimal]

You must have the oppostunity to take the other out cause otherwise you must hold it to a fewer players and surely without cards.

ffs dude most people want this to be an objective only map cairns isnt going to just change it for you.

[pamoa]

...The perspective on the new bridge on the new road isn't working for me. Not sure exactly why.

yes me also....it's the top down-side on thing

I think it's because it's the only object in the map to have perpective... get rid of it

[seamusk]

...The perspective on the new bridge on the new road isn't working for me. Not sure exactly why.

yes me also....it's the top down-side on thing

I think it's because it's the only object in the map to have perpective... get rid of it

hahaha. so true. that explains it quite well.

[cairnswk]

...The perspective on the new bridge on the new road isn't working for me. Not sure exactly why.

yes me also....it's the top down-side on thing

I think it's because it's the only object in the map to have perpective... get rid of it

hahaha. so true. that explains it quite well.

Already done....next version.

[cairnswk]

Version 30

Changes:
1. AA can only bombard one line starting postions now....the 2 positions
2. small adjustments to borders on wahce qwert and wache dim.
3. legend changes.

[BaldAdonis]

8. Helipads are now killer neutrals also, reverting to 14 after each players turn....so don't leave piles of armies on the killer neutrals otherwise they might desert somewhere.

This is very good. Those territories are excellent choke points, I've been holding them in one game to slow people down and gain access to the important parts. If I had to stay off (and fight through 28 armies to use them) then the game would open up more.