Election 2006

[happysadfun]

I can't believe the Dems took the Legislative branch well actually I can but is sucks infantile chimpanzees... and Jim Doyle, the freak, has been re-elected. The only good to come out of the Wisconsin election this year was JB Van Hollen as AG and the ban on gay marriage ammended into the constitution.

[jay_a2j]

Ya know? As disappointing as election 2006 was, at least its not as bad as election 1992. That was a sad day.

[andre the giant]

Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. As a Republi-tarian, I was disgusted with their complete lack of progress in the last 4 years. These idiots had both houses of congress and the presidency, yet what were they able to accomplish?

Did they:
Make the tax cuts permanent?
Repair the Social Security System?
Secure our borders?
Cut the size of Government?
Reform our health care policies?
Accomplish meaningful tort reform?
Cut government waste and pork barrel spending?

The answer to all these questions is NO.

Instead, they tried to distract us with flag burning, the ten commandments, the pledge of allegiance, and gay marriage, while the Democrats distracted us with accusations, allegations of scandals, finger pointing and stubborn partisanship.

So who won yesterday? No body did. We all lost. Until the people wake up and vote all these morons out of our system, or add a third party (like the libertarian party) things will get worse and our system will continue to decay.

[cowshrptrn]

I can't believe the Dems took the Legislative branch well actually I can but is sucks infantile chimpanzees... and Jim Doyle, the freak, has been re-elected. The only good to come out of the Wisconsin election this year was JB Van Hollen as AG and the ban on gay marriage ammended into the constitution.

i dont' get people who say gay's dont' have a right to marraige. How is it destroying the sanctity of marraige if two people love each other so much that they're willing to break social taboos to profess their love for each other. Its certainly a lot better than two people getting a divorce or adultery (neither of which have been outlawed)

I really think we need to re-establish a separation of church and state. You cna't go about preaching to people to not do something because you dont' feel its right, so long as no one is being harmed by it (and i'm not talking about your deflated egos). Democrats realise that not everyone believes in the same values as them, and that not believing in their values doesn't make make someone wrong.

Also, the republican party fell into a LOT of corruption the moment they hit office, it took democrats a few decades before their majority got the better of them, and power hungry polticians began joining their ranks, It took republicans about 3 years before they took over the closest semi-justifiable nation.

Also, i have no problem with someone being a republican, i supported a republican state legislator becasue i felt he was honest enough and capable enough to do the job, i'm jsut not happy with the current republican leadership since they have proven on several instances that they are untrustworthy and easily swayed.

[Econ2000]

now we can stop argueing

[cowshrptrn]

Sorry for the double post, but i'm pretty sure this warrants it

Republicans have no one to blame but themselves. As a Republi-tarian, I was disgusted with their complete lack of progress in the last 4 years. These idiots had both houses of congress and the presidency, yet what were they able to accomplish?

Did they:
Make the tax cuts permanent?
Repair the Social Security System?
Secure our borders?
Cut the size of Government?
Reform our health care policies?
Accomplish meaningful tort reform?
Cut government waste and pork barrel spending?

The answer to all these questions is NO.

Instead, they tried to distract us with flag burning, the ten commandments, the pledge of allegiance, and gay marriage, while the Democrats distracted us with accusations, allegations of scandals, finger pointing and stubborn partisanship.

So who won yesterday? No body did. We all lost. Until the people wake up and vote all these morons out of our system, or add a third party (like the libertarian party) things will get worse and our system will continue to decay.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that we need mroe third parties (but thats more of a system flaw if you look at it from a poli-sci point of view, instead of a historical one) but libertarians are the complete wrong direction

With the current state of big business and their agressiveness and compelte disregard for anyone except themselves, i'm not sure smaller government is the right way to go. We need a large RESPONSIBLE government (i know, i'm starting to sound liek an idealist...) which woudl rein in corporations, and not be afraid to ruffle some feathers to cut down on greenhouse emissions, and provide free healthcare to everyone (yes that woudl require taxes, but we'd save money overall since we would give it to the gov. who don't add a lot to our costs to increase profits)

Progressives, while they need to be revived a bit, can defiantely fix up our country. Now i'm not saying we go over the top with excessive manatory vacation like Germany and end up backpedaling with a troubled economy, but we defiantely can reach a middle ground between socialist and capitalist systems. Right now we're defiantely too far to the capitalist sepctrum.

[johnnyrotten]

So...
Which party do you think will control the House and Senate after the election?

Will Kerry's comments about the military affect the Democrat's chances of taking control?

Will the sex scandal of a major Christian conservative surely bury the Republicans?

Make your predictions here.

No-one cares. Next please.

[DogDoc]

With the current state of big business and their agressiveness and compelte disregard for anyone except themselves, i'm not sure smaller government is the right way to go. We need a large RESPONSIBLE government (i know, i'm starting to sound liek an idealist...) which woudl rein in corporations, and not be afraid to ruffle some feathers to cut down on greenhouse emissions, and provide free healthcare to everyone (yes that woudl require taxes, but we'd save money overall since we would give it to the gov. who don't add a lot to our costs to increase profits)

Progressives, while they need to be revived a bit, can defiantely fix up our country. Now i'm not saying we go over the top with excessive manatory vacation like Germany and end up backpedaling with a troubled economy, but we defiantely can reach a middle ground between socialist and capitalist systems. Right now we're defiantely too far to the capitalist sepctrum.

I would much rather be too far on the capitalism side than socialism. Larger govenment? Isn't it freakin' big enough for you now??? Free healthcare for everyone? Where in our Constitution does it say that??. And name ONE business that the government runs more efficiently than the private sector. Why do you feel that corporations need to be "reined in" in the first place? Why don't you just advocate out-and-out communism and have the state control everything?? Would that work for you, Ivan?

[DogDoc]

w00t, dems took aroudn 27 seats in the house!! plus a bunch fo republicans aren't very loyal, and we coudl concievably pull off an impeachment (though i doubt it would go through, since historically people have found that impeachments could cause a very slipper slope to legislative rule over the executive, and even congressmen are wary of that...)

If they truly believe that Bush is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors then they should begin impeachment procedures. Period.

[DogDoc]

now we can stop argueing

I'm just getting warmed up.

[strike wolf]

w00t, dems took aroudn 27 seats in the house!! plus a bunch fo republicans aren't very loyal, and we coudl concievably pull off an impeachment (though i doubt it would go through, since historically people have found that impeachments could cause a very slipper slope to legislative rule over the executive, and even congressmen are wary of that...)

If they truly believe that Bush is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors then they should begin impeachment procedures. Period.

Oh come on like all politicians they want the guy to stay in office so they can find something else to make the other party look bad.

[DogDoc]

w00t, dems took aroudn 27 seats in the house!! plus a bunch fo republicans aren't very loyal, and we coudl concievably pull off an impeachment (though i doubt it would go through, since historically people have found that impeachments could cause a very slipper slope to legislative rule over the executive, and even congressmen are wary of that...)

If they truly believe that Bush is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors then they should begin impeachment procedures. Period.

Oh come on like all politicians they want the guy to stay in office so they can find something else to make the other party look bad.

It would be refreshing to see Democrats actually take a STAND on something and stick by it on principle. Naaahhhh - will never happen. The Democrats party platform is "We're not Bush." They have no principles and no ideas. Lucky for them, neither were needed to win this election.

[vtmarik]

It would be refreshing to see Democrats actually take a STAND on something and stick by it on principle. Naaahhhh - will never happen. The Democrats party platform is "We're not Bush." They have no principles and no ideas. Lucky for them, neither were needed to win this election.

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best when he said that the democrats' strategy was "Slowly backing out of the room while your brother gets yelled at for burning down the garage."

[reverend_kyle]

It would be refreshing to see Democrats actually take a STAND on something and stick by it on principle. Naaahhhh - will never happen. The Democrats party platform is "We're not Bush." They have no principles and no ideas. Lucky for them, neither were needed to win this election.

Bullshit, maybe if you stopped listening to faux news you'd hear that the democrats have plan and they've already announced it..


Wait actually I think I saw that on fox news... maybe you should just pull your head out of your ass.

[jay_a2j]

Well, maybe its a much needed wake-up call for the Republicans. They seemed to get complacent over 12 years of having the majority.

However, let me be clear about some things. Gay marriage. To God fearing people homosexuality is an abomination. This is not limited to Christianity, I am unaware of any religion that condones this lifestyle. God says "Don't do it" and we have the audacity to say to him, "The heck with your standards God! I love him/her and I want to be with them." You reap what you sew.

As for " Democrats realise that not everyone believes in the same values as them, and that not believing in their values doesn't make make someone wrong. " This is total bunk. Democrats have No Moral Conviction they want the "RIGHT" to do whatever they want. (This is not ALL democrats as there are moral democrats, its more of the platform of liberalism I'm talking about) It just seemslike (generally) the Republicans acknowledge God as the final authority whereas Democrats think man is the final authority. Coruption is not limited to party affiliation. Its everywhere.


Separation of Chuch and State. Its still in effect. You can't re-establish what still exists. If anything, there is an infrigement on the Church and people of faith. I'd like to go back to pre-1960 when you could read a Bible in school. Pray in school. And not have the ACLU draging you into court for not being "TOLERANT" of others. I never understood the concept anyways. How is a persons faith or right to excercise it effecting someone else? If little Sam is praying in school and little Rick walks by (who is an atheist) whats it to him that someone else has faith???? Why does Rick have to be "offended"???? When I was in school I hated Heavey metal. But I did not "get offended" when someone with a Metallica shirt walked by! When I see a Muslum, kneeling, facing east, praying I am not offended. WHY are atheists so EASILY offended???? (By the way, that is a question for you to think about. I already know the answer)

[subdork]

Bullshit, maybe if you stopped listening to faux news you'd hear that the democrats have plan and they've already announced it..


Wait actually I think I saw that on fox news... maybe you should just pull your head out of your ass.

I looked around nytimes.com, cnn.com, and I could not see a particularly publicized platform... a few snippets I could get:

"increase in the minimum wage, adoption of the 9/11 commission's anti-terrorism agenda and cheaper drug prices out of Medicare's prescription drug coverage" I also heard make household appliances more energy efficient.

Of course, Howard Dean stated that there is little they can do to change the course of the Iraq War... they can only "try to influence" the president. And Gephardt said that since the president is still republican, he doesn't expect any ambitious or energetic plans

I personally am now expecting only one major piece of legislation: immigration reform... since it's something that Bush and the dems have in common.

[vtmarik]

Well, maybe its a much needed wake-up call for the Republicans. They seemed to get complacent over 12 years of having the majority.

However, let me be clear about some things. Gay marriage. To God fearing people homosexuality is an abomination. This is not limited to Christianity, I am unaware of any religion that condones this lifestyle. God says "Don't do it" and we have the audacity to say to him, "The heck with your standards God! I love him/her and I want to be with them." You reap what you sew.

As for " Democrats realise that not everyone believes in the same values as them, and that not believing in their values doesn't make make someone wrong. " This is total bunk. Democrats have No Moral Conviction they want the "RIGHT" to do whatever they want. (This is not ALL democrats as there are moral democrats, its more of the platform of liberalism I'm talking about) It just seemslike (generally) the Republicans acknowledge God as the final authority whereas Democrats think man is the final authority. Coruption is not limited to party affiliation. Its everywhere.

Well, on Earth and from a legislative standpoint, man's law trumps God's unfortunately. God doesn't like women teaching men, yet we have women who teach. Should they be arrested?

You say "you reap what you sow," well if that's true then just leave them alone. They'll reap what they sow and that's that. Stop trying to protect them from something that they don't want to be protected from. Do unto others, do you want them to stop you from eating a juicy steak just because it can lead to heart disease?

And I know of one religion that doesn't care about whether or not you're homosexual: Unitarian Universalism. Not to mention the various neo-pagan religions and the disorganized religions like Discordia.

Separation of Chuch and State. Its still in effect. You can't re-establish what still exists. If anything, there is an infrigement on the Church and people of faith. I'd like to go back to pre-1960 when you could read a Bible in school. Pray in school. And not have the ACLU draging you into court for not being "TOLERANT" of others. I never understood the concept anyways. How is a persons faith or right to excercise it effecting someone else? If little Sam is praying in school and little Rick walks by (who is an atheist) whats it to him that someone else has faith???? Why does Rick have to be "offended"???? When I was in school I hated Heavey metal. But I did not "get offended" when someone with a Metallica shirt walked by! When I see a Muslum, kneeling, facing east, praying I am not offended. WHY are atheists so EASILY offended???? (By the way, that is a question for you to think about. I already know the answer)

I do agree with you that some of the "tolerate others" crowd go a little too far. If you and your friends want to have a prayer circle around the flag pole between classes then have a heyday. However, if you want to distribute Chick Tracts during class time, then there's a problem.

It all comes down to where your rights end and another's begins and this debate has been raging since Day One. It's not going to be solved with all this complaining, and stomping around, and whining about the secular-progressive left.

If Rick is offended, good. Actions should offend others, that's the very nature of freedom! The old Voltaire quote "I may not agree with your statement, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Or, using the inverse, your right to preach about your god does not give you the right to wake me up at 9:00AM on a Saturday to talk about The Lord.

Personal reading material in school should not be penalized, whether you're reading The Bible or Night Nurse (so long as the cover can't be prosecuted under obscenity law). Both sides of this debate need to calm down and come to a consensus about where the line needs to be drawn. If you want to pray in school, go right ahead. Just please don't assume that everyone wants to pray when you do and in the manner in which you do, and drop this 'Daily Devotional' concept some of you cling to so mightily.

[reverend_kyle]

Bullshit, maybe if you stopped listening to faux news you'd hear that the democrats have plan and they've already announced it..


Wait actually I think I saw that on fox news... maybe you should just pull your head out of your ass.

I looked around nytimes.com, cnn.com, and I could not see a particularly publicized platform... a few snippets I could get:

"increase in the minimum wage, adoption of the 9/11 commission's anti-terrorism agenda and cheaper drug prices out of Medicare's prescription drug coverage" I also heard make household appliances more energy efficient.

Of course, Howard Dean stated that there is little they can do to change the course of the Iraq War... they can only "try to influence" the president. And Gephardt said that since the president is still republican, he doesn't expect any ambitious or energetic plans

I personally am now expecting only one major piece of legislation: immigration reform... since it's something that Bush and the dems have in common.

That was what I was getting too.


However, according to the news sites I saw apparently bush was willing to go for it on the minimum wage increase so I'm thinking thats probably going to be a go.

as for teh immigrant situation I believe that will also be a go.

as for my solution to free trade it can be found there. I dont think many people will support that though.. so I'll live.

[jay_a2j]

You do realize raising the minimum wage does not help the economy right? It in fact, causes inflation.

[vtmarik]

You do realize raising the minimum wage does not help the economy right? It in fact, causes inflation.

I'd say a minimum wage is raised in response to inflation. But then again, neither of us have any math.

[jay_a2j]

You do realize raising the minimum wage does not help the economy right? It in fact, causes inflation.

I'd say a minimum wage is raised in response to inflation. But then again, neither of us have any math.

Lets say mimimum wage is $5.00 /hr. It is increased to $6.00 /hr. Now the price of goods has to go up to make up for the extra $1.00 /hr. for each employee. So a loaf of bread goes from .99 to $1.07.

[reverend_kyle]

I actually am not sure if its a good thing, because with nafta and all they can just outsource to mexico.

[vtmarik]

Lets say mimimum wage is $5.00 /hr. It is increased to $6.00 /hr. Now the price of goods has to go up to make up for the extra $1.00 /hr. for each employee. So a loaf of bread goes from .99 to $1.07.

I don't think it works that way Jay. Commodities don't become more expensive because the kid in the paper hat is making an extra buck an hour.

Minimum wage was $5.15, it is now $6.25 because inflation made $5.15 have less buying power than it did previously.

If a minimum wage hike caused inflation, don't you think that someone would've suggested against it? Which party is the anti-inflation party nowadays?

[jay_a2j]

Lets say mimimum wage is $5.00 /hr. It is increased to $6.00 /hr. Now the price of goods has to go up to make up for the extra $1.00 /hr. for each employee. So a loaf of bread goes from .99 to $1.07.

I don't think it works that way Jay. Commodities don't become more expensive because the kid in the paper hat is making an extra buck an hour.

Minimum wage was $5.15, it is now $6.25 because inflation made $5.15 have less buying power than it did previously.

If a minimum wage hike caused inflation, don't you think that someone would've suggested against it? Which party is the anti-inflation party nowadays?

Generally Republicans are against raising minumum wages. Because they know the effect it has in inflation (see my privious post) Just as when oil prices go up so does the price at the pump.


*note: minimum wage jobs are not intended to support families.

[DogDoc]

It would be refreshing to see Democrats actually take a STAND on something and stick by it on principle. Naaahhhh - will never happen. The Democrats party platform is "We're not Bush." They have no principles and no ideas. Lucky for them, neither were needed to win this election.

Bullshit, maybe if you stopped listening to faux news you'd hear that the democrats have plan and they've already announced it..


Wait actually I think I saw that on fox news... maybe you should just pull your head out of your ass.

Ah, Reverend, Reverend, Reverend. Hasn't anyone ever told you it's best to keep your mouth shut and have people THINK you stupid rather than open it and thus remove all doubt? Your ignorance truly knows no bounds.

As the primary Democratic Party apologist here on this board, why don't YOU enlighten me and other inquiring minds as to what, exactly, is the Democratic Party platform? Simply saying "We're not Bush" isn't good enough but it's all that they seem to have.