****Looney Land Heist**** -- End ~ Abandoned, Revisit Later

Phobia · Post by **Phobia** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:00 pm

i think we should get a replacement for telv. last time we lynched an inactive we found out he was a doctor

(then again, it brought out my secret role which probably ended up leading the game to a townie win

)

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:01 pm

Phobia wrote:i think we should get a replacement for telv. last time we lynched an inactive we found out he was a doctor (then again, it brought out my secret role which probably ended up leading the game to a townie win )

Replacements:

Haydena

Others Pending

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:03 pm

I just spent nearly 2 hours rereading the entire thread and I am ENTIRELY confident in my vote w/ wicked.

wicked wrote:My reasoning, summed up for Mach...

Sully randomly voted for MB, even said he would probably change his vote. Marv was VERY quick to hop on that.

wicked wrote:wow Marv, you were quick to hop on that bandwagon there!

wicked wrote: I vote Marvaddin, bandwagon-hopper and can't tell when people are joking - or is jumping on them to make it appear that way.

wicked wrote:that's really stupid Marv, we were all just joking, including myself. I have no idea if AK and MB are mafia, but I know I'm not and I was joking just the same as they were. You OTOH, were quick to hop on sully's random vote (he even said he would probably change it), which looks the most suspicious to me.
Then when I point this out to him, he gets all defensive and starts accusing me. He was quick to jump on everyone for obvious joking (the votes weren’t even in bold), then admits he didn’t even read the entire thread. Admittedly, I initially voted for him b/c he couldn't take a joke, but then his shifty behavior confirmed in my mind he was up to something. It's not much, but more than some of you are going on.

You have been bandwagoning too. And AK addmitted that he was just going to bandwagon. Bogusbet also said he would just hop on the bandwagon. AND YOU haven't changed your vote to either of them?!?

Obviously, your logic is flawed.

wicked wrote:Do you guys seriously think if I was mafia, I'd even share my role? think back to RK last time, who never shared his.

That's because I had said that the illusionist was mafia. Obviously he wasnt going to say "Ah, yes. I am the Illusionist"

wicked wrote:Share your hint Mach!! Are you the other mason who was talking to Spring?

This is the exact opposite of your thoughts last time.

wicked wrote:If I was mafia, how could I make up a name, if I don't know who Andy has used? I just wouldn't say anything, or wait until the end and pick a character not listed by anyone yet. I invite the cop to investigate me please, so we can clear this up! That's all I can do at this point. No one can be trusted right now anyway, I only trust myself!

I stated earlier, that when I was mafia (two games ago) the mod of the game (dagreatbroomhead) told me a role that he assured me no one else had Andy was mafia with me that game, so maybe he liked the idea and passed it on.

Also wicked voted me AFTER I had already voted for her, which is known as a counter accusation and is a common act that mafia does.

As for the roleclaiming thing, I was NOT on for the whole name claiming thing. You are right, if I was mafia then I could have just waited but that is not what I was doing. I am sure that at least one of the people who has roleclaimed is lying, because I know that someone is Bugs Bunny. I am Yosemite Sam . And my win condition is that all aides and instigators of the heist must be eliminated.

Phobia · Post by **Phobia** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:07 pm

hmm, yes a townie is bug bunny but are too afriad to reveal, because it is obvious bugs bunny has some special role and if they say they are bugs bunny they will be dead next day

Phobia · Post by **Phobia** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:10 pm

well i say keep yourself to yourself mr.bugs bunny, since you would be a special townie and we need you

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:19 pm

Mach wrote:AK addmitted that he was just going to bandwagon. Bogusbet also said he would just hop on the bandwagon. AND YOU haven't changed your vote to either of them?!?

Because openly admitting you are bandwaggoning doesn't really seem like mafia to me.

Mach wrote: That's because I had said that the illusionist was mafia.

Not until a few days had passed and RK still hadn't shared his yet.

Mach wrote:This is the exact opposite of your thoughts last time.?

Asked and answered. Quit grasping at straws.

Mach wrote: Also wicked voted me AFTER I had already voted for her, which is known as a counter accusation and is a common act that mafia does.

No, it's known as human nature and is done by everyone, no matter whether a townie or mafia... just look at all the revenge feedback we get on this site! Marv did the same exact thing to me. I voted for you because you hadn't shared your name yet, waited until last, and even mentioned you didn't want to share names. THAT is the basis for my vote, as clearly explained earlier.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:37 pm

I am also suspicious of Mach & Sully's relationship. they're too in synch for it to be a coincidence.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:57 pm

wicked wrote:... even mentioned you didn't want to share names. THAT is the basis for my vote, as clearly explained earlier.

When did I ever say that sharing names was a bad idea?

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:01 pm

Also, it's not like I was waiting for the last person to roleclaim before I did.

When I left last night we were at page 16 or something and only a few people had claimed. Wehen I came back we were on page 25 and I was the only one who hadnt claimed

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:03 pm

Phobia wrote:hmm, yes a townie is bug bunny but are too afriad to reveal, because it is obvious bugs bunny has some special role and if they say they are bugs bunny they will be next day

If by "special role" you mean mafia then you are correct, because in my background info it says that bugs bunny is my enemy and I assure you, my role is good.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:24 pm

Vote Count

reverend_kyle - (jaydog, moz976)
Marvaddin - (Master Bush, reverend)
wicked - (mach, marv, sully800)
Machiavelli - (Telvannia, wicked)
No Lynch - (Fireside Poet)
Not Voting, everyone else

7 Total Votes are needed to Lynch a Toon (or take away the power)

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Also, voting for replacement of Telvannia (see bottom page 25). Please vote for replacement or not, otherwise a random mod kill may ensue as punishment.

Phobia
Wicked
Mach
sully800
Master Bush
Ak_Iceman

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--Andy
(P.S. Hope I didn't miss any votes!)

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:27 pm

I vote for replacement for Telvanna. I wouldn't want to lynch a possible townie.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:34 pm

Replacement please

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:35 pm

Phobia wrote:hmm, yes a townie is bug bunny but are too afriad to reveal, because it is obvious bugs bunny has some special role and if they say they are bugs bunny they will be dead next day

I would imagine its like last time where wicked was told "the illusionist" was behind the heist. This time it appears that mach was told Bugs is behind the heist. Therefore Bugs would not be a townie.

Mach could certainly be duping us. Perhaps no one was told the name of the instigator. I believe his claim though because he's been very consistant with his posts and thoughts, unlike a lot of other players up until this point, including myself perhaps.

I think it makes sense though that Andy would have set this game up similar to last time and sent a name to one of the players. Most things up to this point have been similar (though admittedly we haven't seen a lot).

Wicked: If you think Mach and I seem really in sync then I suppose thats a good thing. It gives me another townie I can trust! I hope I'm not wrong about you, and if I am then I'm sorry for my constant suspicion.

Another thing for everyone to keep in mind: Our cop has already done one investigation. If he/she discovered a mafia member on the first night they could already by trying to steer us in the right direction without giving the role away.

I'm a big fan of the cop coming out on Day 2 or 3 though. Then the doctor can protect the cop and the townies can get some useful information early on. My advice: If you are the cop don't wait too long! If you die and take your secrets with you it does us no good. I declared on day 4 last round (but had guaranteed myself to stay alive on night 3 because I black mailed Moz). Anyway, if you think I'm suspicious because of this post, then maybe I just screwed myself. I am not trying to get the cop to declare so he/she can be killed. As long as we have a doctor that shouldn't happen.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:35 pm

vote replacement

Master Bush · Post by **Master Bush** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:40 pm

vote replacement

Also....

# reverend_kyle - (jaydog, moz976)
# Marvaddin - (Master Bush, reverend)
# wicked - (mach, marv, sully800)
# Machiavelli - (Telvannia, wicked)
# No Lynch - (Fireside Poet)

We're getting nowhere here.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:47 pm

sully800 wrote:Another thing for everyone to keep in mind: Our cop has already done one investigation. If he/she discovered a mafia member on the first night they could already by trying to steer us in the right direction without giving the role away.

True. I hope I was investigated! If not, can I get investigated this next night? I really want to clear my name here. Since you're giving advice to the cop, and Mach supposedly has the name of a mafia guy, it stands to reason neither of you two are cops (a non-cop role was given that info last time, I can't imagine Andy giving the cop that info) ... assuming you both are telling the truth, but if you aren't, then you're mafia anyway, so either way, not a cop.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:39 pm

Vote - Replacement

I agree with the whole cop thing. Coming out today would be bad, even if it did give us a mafia kill. Wait until you have a couple investigations, so you can help us out more, then come forward and the doctor can protect you.

This is pretty much what sully just said, but he's got the right idea here.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:46 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
reverend_kyle - (jaydog, moz976)

Marvaddin - (Master Bush, reverend)

wicked - (mach, marv, sully800)

Machiavelli - (Telvannia, wicked)

No Lynch - (Fireside Poet)

Not Voting, everyone else

As much as I hate to say it, we may need to think about the possibilty of a no-lynch. If we cant agree on someone, then it happens automatically, whether we vote for it or not.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:43 pm

AK_iceman wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
reverend_kyle - (jaydog, moz976)

Marvaddin - (Master Bush, reverend)

wicked - (mach, marv, sully800)

Machiavelli - (Telvannia, wicked)

No Lynch - (Fireside Poet)

Not Voting, everyone else
As much as I hate to say it, we may need to think about the possibilty of a no-lynch. If we cant agree on someone, then it happens automatically, whether we vote for it or not.

I agree.. we are getting no where.. hell, who knows maybe someone has a vigilante role from the start and we wont be losing a person.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:08 pm

what's a vigilante role again??

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:09 pm

wicked wrote:what's a vigilante role again??

I'm guessing its similar to Phobias role in the last game.
Where he had the chance to kill someone during the night also.

But Andy should probably confirm that.

I dont even think we have one of those this game. When I read the instructions on Mafia, that wasnt one of the regular roles.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:10 pm

its the role from last game where a person can pop caps at night that is pro town.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:11 pm

oh ok. we didn't know about it last game until Phobia told us, so I don't think andy will tell us. even then the vigilante had a 50% chance of dying, right? Don't think we need to risk that yet.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:29 pm

Phobia wrote: i noticed marv was trying all his best to get wicked suspicious. i dont know if im right or wrong though, ive been scan reading since i am at a annoying time zone, so i may have missed somebody else accusing wicked. lets see what marv thinks

I assume you didnt read all posts, Phobia. I was not making wicked suspicious. She was making more and more empty attacks against me. She lied, because she had no reason to attack me, and she was still doing that. What type of townie would like to lynch another one without a suspicious behaviour, only because of something called "general annoyance factor"?? She admited it. To me, its a mafia behaviour, push someone to the fire ring.

I cant accept her name too... why shes not a looney? Maybe, and I believe it, she commited an error informing her real name, instead of her fake name, and is now trying to get an advantage. She is at least a neutral character, I believe, like a serial killer, she cant be a simple townie being Roger Rabbit.

I stand with my vote at wicked, and its not because she voted to me (by the way, she unvoted already). She was throwing false arguments on other players to get me lynched, when I just "annoyed her", nut the main reason is, I simply cant rely on a Roger Rabbit.

A thing I found, hmmmm, strange:

reverend_kyle wrote:I\'m looking at the vote count and it looks as if 2 people got immediate support in groups of three.... those people..

Marvaddin and Wicked...

Though, I was part of the three people to support marvaddin and I have no association with mb and wicked so i\'m quite sure it could be one of the three immediately jumping on wicked that could be the mafia.. I could be wrong though and often am.

What is this, RK? Maybe you can, firstly, explain why are you voting to me. Then, why would mafia jump on bandwagon of wicked and not mine. Even if you are not associated to them, couldnt them to be mafia trying to grab a chance? And finally, why do you think wicked is not suspicious, if she is not a looney toon? Isnt this sufficient to make her suspicious? Im not accusing you, I just would like to understand what you are thinking.