Farewell to Fidel Castro

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:46 pm

Dekloren wrote:Hopefully his brother is as good as him.

I try my best.

PhatJoey · Post by **PhatJoey** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:50 pm

Good riddance to Fidel. Hopefully, Raul will follow along soon.

But if the Cubans want yet another petty dictator to keep them repressed, he's probably just the guy to do it.

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:46 pm

I heard Cuba's got some WMD's...

joecoolfrog · Post by **joecoolfrog** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:16 am

PhatJoey wrote:Good riddance to Fidel. Hopefully, Raul will follow along soon.

But if the Cubans want yet another petty dictator to keep them repressed, he's probably just the guy to do it.

I was in Cuba the year that Bush first got elected and the National TV channel thought the goings on in Florida were hilarious - lots of jokes about corruption and who the real bananna republic was. Yes the people are poor and repressed but they have superb healthcare and education provision ( free ) and a low crime rate that would be the envy of many countries. Im no communist and there is no doubt that Cuba has stagnated under Castro but it was hardly a paradise before when it was ruled by Batistas thugs and the Mafia, not exactly a capitalist role model.
Its easy to be smug about how backward you believe the country to be but I would be embarassed that they had the opportunity to mock the electorial ineptitude of the mighty old USA

Hologram · Post by **Hologram** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:20 am

joecoolfrog wrote:
PhatJoey wrote:Good riddance to Fidel. Hopefully, Raul will follow along soon.

But if the Cubans want yet another petty dictator to keep them repressed, he's probably just the guy to do it.
I was in Cuba the year that Bush first got elected and the National TV channel thought the goings on in Florida were hilarious - lots of jokes about corruption and who the real bananna republic was. Yes the people are poor and repressed but they have superb healthcare and education provision ( free ) and a low crime rate that would be the envy of many countries. Im no communist and there is no doubt that Cuba has stagnated under Castro but it was hardly a paradise before when it was ruled by Batistas thugs and the Mafia, not exactly a capitalist role model.
Its easy to be smug about how backward you believe the country to be but I would be embarassed that they had the opportunity to mock the electorial ineptitude of the mighty old USA

Well yes, we originally backed Castro's takeover of Cuba. Then he suddenly turned face and asked the Soviets for help, and they gladly obliged. Anything to stick it to us, I suppose.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:02 am

Well, Holo, brooksi said it already:

brooksieb wrote:Castro - pissing america off in style for more than 40 years!

Aidan Kerr · Post by **Aidan Kerr** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:10 am

I salute you Mr.Castro

May Raul Castro be a great leader like his brother

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:51 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:
PhatJoey wrote:Good riddance to Fidel. Hopefully, Raul will follow along soon.

But if the Cubans want yet another petty dictator to keep them repressed, he's probably just the guy to do it.
I was in Cuba the year that Bush first got elected and the National TV channel thought the goings on in Florida were hilarious - lots of jokes about corruption and who the real bananna republic was. Yes the people are poor and repressed but they have superb healthcare and education provision ( free ) and a low crime rate that would be the envy of many countries. Im no communist and there is no doubt that Cuba has stagnated under Castro but it was hardly a paradise before when it was ruled by Batistas thugs and the Mafia, not exactly a capitalist role model.
Its easy to be smug about how backward you believe the country to be but I would be embarassed that they had the opportunity to mock the electorial ineptitude of the mighty old USA

Good post. There are many faults with Cuba, but an outright dismissal because of a failure to give in to the US sphere of influence is a ridiculous path to take. Meggy usually has a lot to say on this matter.

PhatJoey · Post by **PhatJoey** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:31 pm

Ummmm. . . first of all AMERICANS are the FIRST to mock our electoral process so if the rest of the world does it, they just need to get in line. Who cares? It is what it is and nobody has created anything better so far. Someday someone will.

Secondly, I would not call the imprisonment, torture and murder of his own citizens "stagnation", nor the theft of their property. Let alone the systematic elimination of ANYONE voicing a differing opinion.

So if you liked Castro, that's okay for you, but don't make a saint of the man. He was a bully, a murderer and a thug who betrayed anyone who helped him out and then got in the way of his little rise to power (if that's what you want to call it).

PhatJoey · Post by **PhatJoey** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:33 pm

And if he was so great, why are there more Cubans living in the U.S. in exile than there are in Cuba? They are still partying in Miami just like they will in a few more years when Raul is finished.

CoffeeCream · Post by **CoffeeCream** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:57 pm

PhatJoey wrote:And if he was so great, why are there more Cubans living in the U.S. in exile than there are in Cuba? They are still partying in Miami just like they will in a few more years when Raul is finished.

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:52 pm

PhatJoey wrote:And if he was so great, why are there more Cubans living in the U.S. in exile than there are in Cuba? They are still partying in Miami just like they will in a few more years when Raul is finished.

Let's see the following equation:

Wikipedia wrote:Population of Cuba 11,177,743 (2002 Census)

+

Wikipedia wrote:In the most recent census in 2000 there were 1,241,685 Cuban Americans, both native and foreign born and represented 3.5% of all Hispanics in the US.

= Phatjoey doesn't know what he's talking about

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:57 pm

Heimdall wrote:
PhatJoey wrote:And if he was so great, why are there more Cubans living in the U.S. in exile than there are in Cuba? They are still partying in Miami just like they will in a few more years when Raul is finished.
Let's see the following equation:

Wikipedia wrote:Population of Cuba 11,177,743 (2002 Census)
+
Wikipedia wrote:In the most recent census in 2000 there were 1,241,685 Cuban Americans, both native and foreign born and represented 3.5% of all Hispanics in the US.
= Phatjoey doesn't know what he's talking about

(Sorry C&C)

By the way, the one you're thinking of is Puerto Rico.

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:28 am

PhatJoey wrote:Ummmm. . . first of all AMERICANS are the FIRST to mock our electoral process so if the rest of the world does it, they just need to get in line. Who cares? It is what it is and nobody has created anything better so far. Someday someone will.

Secondly, I would not call the imprisonment, torture and murder of his own citizens "stagnation", nor the theft of their property. Let alone the systematic elimination of ANYONE voicing a differing opinion.

So if you liked Castro, that's okay for you, but don't make a saint of the man. He was a bully, a murderer and a thug who betrayed anyone who helped him out and then got in the way of his little rise to power (if that's what you want to call it).

And who called him a saint

Plenty of regimes in Central and South America that were as bad or worse but the USA didnt ostracise them, in fact in many cases it helped prop them up !

Ntetos · Post by **Ntetos** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:50 am

Many of those Cubans living in Maiami were criminals and Castro emptied the prisons and sent them to USA.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:12 am

Ntetos wrote:Many of those Cubans living in Maiami were criminals and Castro emptied the prisons and sent them to USA.

Say hello to my little friend...

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:37 pm

Heimdall wrote:
PhatJoey wrote:And if he was so great, why are there more Cubans living in the U.S. in exile than there are in Cuba? They are still partying in Miami just like they will in a few more years when Raul is finished.
Let's see the following equation:

Wikipedia wrote:Population of Cuba 11,177,743 (2002 Census)
+
Wikipedia wrote:In the most recent census in 2000 there were 1,241,685 Cuban Americans, both native and foreign born and represented 3.5% of all Hispanics in the US.
= Phatjoey doesn't know what he's talking about

Burn.