Is turn synching considered cheating?

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:08 am

I am in game 70097 and I believe that my only remaining opponent has cheated to win.

I had the advantage in the game after taking my turn while both players where present. My opponent then dissappeared and waited until 5 mins before the end of the 24 hours to take his turn. Effectively preventing me from takeing my turn.

Then he takes his second turn 5 mins later and pretty much wipes me out.

I know this is a dishonest and unsporting tactic but is it considered as cheating because if its not it should be.

zip_disk · Post by **zip_disk** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:20 am

Ishiro · Post by **Ishiro** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:33 am

Its not cheating, but yeah, it is kinda low... however:

2006-09-20 10:23:32 - Phil1979 fortified Lebennin with 2 armies from Anfalas
2006-09-20 10:23:37 - Higamy fish attacked Lebennin from Ement and conquered it from Phil1979
2006-09-20 10:23:44 - Higamy fish attacked Ithilien from Lebennin and conquered it from Phil1979
2006-09-20 10:23:56 - Higamy fish attacked Emyn Muil from Ithilien and conquered it from Phil1979
2006-09-20 10:24:11 - Higamy fish fortified Minhiriath with 2 armies from North Downs
2006-09-20 10:24:18 - Higamy fish gets a card
2006-09-20 10:24:18 - Phil1979 gets a card

Why did you wait 45 seconds from your last fortification to end your turn? He attacked the place you fortified 5 seconds after you did, and you had to know his turn was winding down.. you should have ended your turn asap so that you'd have control of starting the next round.

This is why I don't play freestyle.

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:39 am

Ishiro I was trying to fortify armies from elsewhere to stop him taking my territories and breaking my continents. He was taking them too soon and I was getting illegal fortification messages.

Something needs to be done about this flaw because you can effectively stop your opponent from taking a turn and that is cheating.

Scorba · Post by **Scorba** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:15 am

As I've said before, this loophole reduces freestyle to a joke. It can easily be sorted out by re-starting the 24 hours as soon as the first player to move in a round begins their turn. Everyone should get 24 hours to take their turn.

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:30 am

I agree Scorba. The game set up should not provide an opportunity for a player to use it to there advantage.

The game allows me 24 hours to take my turn and yet a players dirty tricks can completely remove that opportunity from an opponent.

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:21 am

any mods have an opinion on this?

Something needs doing about it.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:23 am

Yes, that's freestyle, suck it up or play sequential.

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:57 pm

So cheating is ok providing you can get away with it???

Nice attitude.

Phobia · Post by **Phobia** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:59 pm

its not cheating, its just plain scum

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:32 pm

It's not cheating, it's a facet of the game. now that you're fully aware of that, it's your choice whether to keep playing those type of games or not. Most people here play sequential. Since it's not cheating, I've moved this to Gen'l Discussion.

Post by **Evil Semp** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:42 pm

Why is it cheating? Its a ciffernt style of the game. When you play any game you try to use all the rules to your advantage. If you play a game of Risk in real life and someone forgets to take their card after their turn, do you remind to take it? Or is it their loss because they forgot? some people play one way and others play the other way.

NoobMuffin · Post by **NoobMuffin** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:14 pm

you must have really hated double turns allowed if you were here then, i wasnt here but my friends say it was cheap, i think it would be easy to exploit, especially the possible 2 trades right after the other.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:40 pm

at least with double turns allowed each player would still get to play their turn. I don't think forcing another player to lose their turn should be legal.

zip_disk · Post by **zip_disk** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:21 pm

Hmm, I posted about this in July and noone really cared then.

Post by **Evil Semp** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:05 am

Sully how does it force someone to lose a turn?

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:57 am

Say you and I are the only two people left in a freestyle game, but I have to act first. That means you have no choice but to wait for me to make my move. Therefore I can wait until 23 hours and 55 minutes into the round to take my turn and end it quickly. Then in those last few seconds you actually miss your turn (since it has to occur within the 24 hour period) which means I'm the first person to act in the next round as well. So you didn't get a chance to play at all that day and I played twice in a row. That's not a strategy IMO, its bullsh*t. That would be like playing a home game but never giving the other person the attacking dice...then sayig "whoops, its my turn again" and going twice in a row.

Post by **Evil Semp** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:45 pm

So in a game of football your team is ahead by 3 points with 5 minutes to play, they sould give the other team the ball to give them a chance to tie the game? Or in baseball the intentional walk should not be given to the oposing teams best batter like they used to do to Barry Bonds the past couple of years?

If you are waiting 23hrs and 55 mins to win the game the game is probably pretty close to being over anyway, and if not you aren't leaving yourself much time to make decisions if the plan doesn't go as planned.

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:25 am

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of this.
It isn't cheating, it's strategy!

Higamy fish · Post by **Higamy fish** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:31 pm

Phobia wrote:its not cheating, its just plain scum

haha phobia you like that word "scum" maybe you should be careful about how often you use it. Btw guys im the person that "cheated"

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:32 pm

Evil Semp wrote:Why is it cheating? Its a ciffernt style of the game. When you play any game you try to use all the rules to your advantage. If you play a game of Risk in real life and someone forgets to take their card after their turn, do you remind to take it? Or is it their loss because they forgot? some people play one way and others play the other way.

If someone won a card at the end of their turn on a game of risk and I took them all away and stopped him having one then I would be cheating.

Thats what happened here. I was stopped from taking my turn. By a flaw in the game and some scumbags dishonest tactics.

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:38 pm

Evil Semp wrote:So in a game of football your team is ahead by 3 points with 5 minutes to play, they sould give the other team the ball to give them a chance to tie the game? Or in baseball the intentional walk should not be given to the oposing teams best batter like they used to do to Barry Bonds the past couple of years?

If you are waiting 23hrs and 55 mins to win the game the game is probably pretty close to being over anyway, and if not you aren't leaving yourself much time to make decisions if the plan doesn't go as planned.

Firstly, Are you aware this is not football???

I really dont think you understand the concept of what is being said here. My cheating opponent ended his turn seconds before me. Then it was his responsibility to go first. He waited until just before the 24 hour period to take his turn. I had a 5 min opportunity to take my turn which I was obviously going to miss. So I go down as missing a turn. Then at the end of that round my opponent can take his second turn.

I raise another point.... In a cards game, it should be called cheating because the cards are what win you the game. By turn synching your opponent takes away the possibility of earning a card.

Higamy fish · Post by **Higamy fish** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:24 pm

phil: will you ever just let it drop that that's what appened, it wasn't cheating and there's nothing you can do about it!

Phil1979 · Post by **Phil1979** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:19 pm

I dont want to play with anybody who employs the scumbag tactics you did.

Many other members have the same opinion as me on this. I am satisfied with that.

You are scum.

Higamy fish · Post by **Higamy fish** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:26 pm

ok lol wateva, seeing as i offered to deadbeat out of the game and i apologised and everything, i fail to see how IM the one that's scum, but you just keep thinking that to yourself and ill leave you alone...