teams doubles league

[Twill]

Let me clarify something here for everybody.

Yorkie has his privs removed for multiple violations a very simple rule: You are given the tools to run a tournament for a specific tournament. He hid many clan-only games in his larger tournaments even when he knew that was a no go and has been specifically told he could not create them

We have a very strict stance on this because if we don't we're going to see way too much of this in the future.

The reason the time is so long is that the nature of tournaments is that they are a long term thing.

Yorkie is a great tournament organizer, there is no doubt of that in my mind, but at the same time, he chose to push the very simple rules we have here and now has to live with the consequences.

We obviously don't want to stop these ongoing tournaments, so if someone would like to take one or more of them over please bet in touch with Yorkie, SteelHorse or Optimus so they can hash out the details.

Have a good one
Twill

[khazalid]

twill, seeing as this tournament is probably over half completed, would it not be possible just to let us finish this one? the rule is now much publicised, avec consequences - any reason for this to die? (it surely will)

[Night Strike]

twill, seeing as this tournament is probably over half completed, would it not be possible just to let us finish this one? the rule is now much publicised, avec consequences - any reason for this to die? (it surely will)

I have a feeling that this (and yorkie's other tournaments) will be treated as an abandoned tournament (without the penalties that come with it). You would have to discuss someone else running it with Optimus Prime or Steelhorse.

[happy2seeyou]

twill, seeing as this tournament is probably over half completed, would it not be possible just to let us finish this one? the rule is now much publicised, avec consequences - any reason for this to die? (it surely will)

Someone can step up and help take over the "creating games" part. I'm sure that is an option. If anyone wants to do that. . .

[rebelman]

I already spoke to op about this and despite Twill's post above, I'm not sure they are willing to let someone else look after this and yorkie's other live tournies although i'm sure if enough of us sensibly and with cool heads request it they may be willing to reconsider.

PS I asked Yorkie to delete my earlier post on this thread as I want to talk to all the parties involved before more making a detailed response.

[Optimus Prime]

If someone would like to continue the tournament they may do so if they can gather all of the proper information that is needed. However, as with all tournaments, it cannot be done without the permission of the original organizer.

If yorkiepeter would like to allow someone to keep it going he may certainly do so.

Regards, Optimus Prime

[yorkiepeter]

Well to clarify a couple of points. I was banned for creating empty games to host a tournament within the untouchables which yes is against the rules. But rules are meant to be challenged are they not?

Who can remember the many people who went to prison rather than pay the poll tax, they got a criminal record but got the law changed.

What about the black woman on the bus who refused to stand up - was she wrong? according to OP, yes. But she gave birth to the whhole civil rights movement and changed the face of america.
Nelson Mandela too, emily pankhurst, the list is endless.

This rule is clearly ridiculous and only curtails lack's customers from enjoying the site to its potential and serves no useful purpose. I do not understand why any premium player could not create an empty game just like they can create password protected games - what difference does it make?

How would allowing that, which is only what these privileges consist of be to the detriment of cc?

The rule was created over a year ago with lack promising to review when a new clan system got started. well that has started but now we have to wait for this rivals thing to be written before anything changes.

Saying privileges are only given for public tournys is rubbish. There are many tournaments that you have to be captain or premium or something.

So I say to everyone, if you think this rule is silly then are you going to lend support in getting it changed?

As far as this tournament is concerned It could continue in 1 of 2 ways either someone else can do the hard work in creating all the games and making sure they get filled or the home captain can get the games started by just creating password protected games. Either way I would be happy to continue to maintain the fixture list and publish a regular table....that is if my posting privileges are still current. I might even get to play in some of them so long as my playing privileges are still ok.

[clapper011]

all I have to say is """sigh

[hwhrhett]

ugh, everybody agrees the rule is stupid, but claiming your some sort of martyr makes it very difficult to side with you yorkie.

[xxtig12683xx]

Yorkie, while i respect your efforts to run this and other tournies, but to compare yourself to the people mentioned is pretty absurd. All of those people were important historical people, you, well your an online gamer

So the rules are as is, and while it sucks that this great tournament will take forever, but your punishment is just.

[rebelman]

As the external spokesperson of The Untouchables I wish to clarify something about this tournament that Yorkie got banned for. It actually is not a tournie in the sense that most people recognise a tournie it was a way for our low ranked members to learn how to play doubles.

[yorkiepeter]

Yorkie, while i respect your efforts to run this and other tournies, but to compare yourself to the people mentioned is pretty absurd. All of those people were important historical people, you, well your an online gamer

no they weren't - they were all punished for breaking the law. My point is that in order to get an unjust law changed one has to break it and challenge it. The above mentioned historical figures are only that cos they had the balls to stand up and say this law is wrong and i;m gonna change it.

In this case, while i appreciate this is not world politics but just an online game, the principle is the same. Almost everyone sees it as a silly rule but don't have the balls to do anything about it. Are you one of them?

[rebelman]

ugh, everybody agrees the rule is stupid, but claiming your some sort of martyr makes it very difficult to side with you yorkie.

I think he was using some dramatic effect to reinforce his point

[hwhrhett]

Yorkie, while i respect your efforts to run this and other tournies, but to compare yourself to the people mentioned is pretty absurd. All of those people were important historical people, you, well your an online gamer

no they weren't - they were all punished for breaking the law. My point is that in order to get an unjust law changed one has to break it and challenge it. The above mentioned historical figures are only that cos they had the balls to stand up and say this law is wrong and i;m gonna change it.

In this case, while i appreciate this is not world politics but just an online game, the principle is the same. Almost everyone sees it as a silly rule but don't have the balls to do anything about it. Are you one of them?

..... are all of the untouchables pretentious assholes?

[Night Strike]

Just curious rebelman, was it this tournament (as in this specific thread) that was helping train the low level players learn how to play doubles against other clans, or was the training of the lower players the actual in-clan games that yorkie got caught for?? Because as far as I can tell, this thread was perfectly legal, but a tournament only within you clan was not (and why he got punished).

And yorkie, that post was a really low-blow. In my opinion, way too low for someone from your clan and from a typically respectful person as yourself.

Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with running tournaments within your clan as long as you set them up using private games. I'm glad that you all have tried to help improve the skills of others, but the rules are that using privileges for public tournaments is not the way to do that. G1 has many tournament organizers, as does the Untouchables, but we know to host our games as private games, even if they are in a tournament format.

[rebelman]

Just curious rebelman, was it this tournament (as in this specific thread) that was helping train the low level players learn how to play doubles against other clans, or was the training of the lower players the actual in-clan games that yorkie got caught for?? Because as far as I can tell, this thread was perfectly legal, but a tournament only within you clan was not (and why he got punished).
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it was the internal one - actually if im not mistaken as this gos back to koe you signed up for it originally - I will need to double check that with my Koe friends

to expain what i mean further i will post some in game chat here if you like although im conscious this is going way off topic.

[rebelman]

Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with running tournaments within your clan as long as you set them up using private games.

a si have argued before with op and others that works fine for premium mebers but when you are dealing with freemiums and newish players its not that easy - this is a fairly complicated format in that the order each player joins the setting etc vary forom game to game. It would be next to impossible to run something like that without privs

[Night Strike]

Just curious rebelman, was it this tournament (as in this specific thread) that was helping train the low level players learn how to play doubles against other clans, or was the training of the lower players the actual in-clan games that yorkie got caught for?? Because as far as I can tell, this thread was perfectly legal, but a tournament only within you clan was not (and why he got punished).
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it was the internal one - actually if im not mistaken as this gos back to koe you signed up for it originally - I will need to double check that with my Koe friends

to expain what i mean further i will post some in game chat here if you like although im conscious this is going way off topic.

Good luck checking that with KoE b/c I believe they were going to request a forum wipe after we all got kicked out. I don't know if I had actually signed up for that or not.

I don't think the explanation is necessary b/c even if it's for a good cause, it's still against the rules. In my opinion, private games may be a slight hassle, but they aren't that much different. You just can't search with tournament headings. I know you have enough premium members, especially higher ranked, to make private games run smoothly.

[yorkiepeter]

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Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with running tournaments within your clan as long as you set them up using private games. I'm glad that you all have tried to help improve the skills of others, but the rules are that using privileges for public tournaments is not the way to do that. G1 has many tournament organizers, as does the Untouchables, but we know to host our games as private games, even if they are in a tournament format.

But setting them up as private games makes it 10 times harder to run a tournament. If you support this rule then can I respectfully ask you why? I cannot see any purpose other than to hamper the enjoyment of the site.

[rebelman]

I don't think the explanation is necessary b/c even if it's for a good cause, it's still against the rules. In my opinion, private games may be a slight hassle, but they aren't that much different. You just can't search with tournament headings. I know you have enough premium members, especially higher ranked, to make private games run smoothly.

night strike you are an experienced organiser and seem to support this rule. from your knowledge of how these things work can you tell me how a freemium from clan A can play a challenge against a freemium from clan B in a challenge without any tournie privs - thats one obvious weakness in this current system

this rule is totally discriminatory not so much against clans but against freemiums who cant password protect their games.

This to me is one of the most blatant flaws in this current crazy rule.

Also if the argument is all tournies should be open to all then the score specific ones and premium only onr=es need to be stopped as these are clearly not open to all.

[hulmey]

if i was to take over the doubles tournament and the other one as well. may i then give yorkie access to my account to make the games?

[Night Strike]

I support this rule because of the workload on the Tournament Directors. They would be responsible for keeping track of the many intra-clan and inter-clan tournament privileges as well as the public ones. I can't see them even being willing to take on this task without either a forum upgrade and/or another Director. I agree that it would be a heck of a lot easier on the clans to have privileges, but that doesn't mean it should be implemented at this time.

Here's an idea I just thought of: What if each clan were given a tournament label that the moderator and 1 or 2 other members had access to?? This could be a permanent label that would only have to go through the mods if a new clan comes or if the player controls need to change. These labels would have nothing to do with the tournament forum and could only be used for in-clan games. It shouldn't add much work to the mods because they wouldn't be required to add/remove privileges frequently.

[rebelman]

Here's an idea I just thought of: What if each clan were given a tournament label that the moderator and 1 or 2 other members had access to?? This could be a permanent label that would only have to go through the mods if a new clan comes or if the player controls need to change. These labels would have nothing to do with the tournament forum and could only be used for in-clan games. It shouldn't add much work to the mods because they wouldn't be required to add/remove privileges frequently.

i suggested a similar idea elsewhere before this would work well (my variation was only if that player had previously organised a public tournie)

[Night Strike]

Here's an idea I just thought of: What if each clan were given a tournament label that the moderator and 1 or 2 other members had access to?? This could be a permanent label that would only have to go through the mods if a new clan comes or if the player controls need to change. These labels would have nothing to do with the tournament forum and could only be used for in-clan games. It shouldn't add much work to the mods because they wouldn't be required to add/remove privileges frequently.

i suggested a similar idea elsewhere before this would work well (my variation was only if that player had previously organised a public tournie)

True, I hadn't thought about that last point. I'll talk to Optimus about it next time I see him on messenger (unless he posts here before that, which is distinctly possible since I'm working soon).

[rebelman]

..... are all of the untouchables pretentious assholes?

to the best of my knowledge i'm not and neither are any of many clan so no is the answer. if you want to criticise then create a thread in flame wars.