Potential classic revamp?

Shanba · Post by **Shanba** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:03 pm

I like the idea of a revamp. They say if it aint broke, don't fix it. That's true... but even if something is not broken, you can still improve it. That's the way forward, to progress. As time passes, the map will look dated, as people get better at doing the maps etc. The current classic is not a work of art, and I don't see any problem in updating the graphics.

wcaclimbing · Post by **wcaclimbing** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:13 pm

I vote no revamp, unless you can get at least 5 different mapmakers to make their own versions, so we have a good selection to vote from, as well as including the current "classic" map as one of the options for the poll.

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:14 pm

looks neat

and gimil, lack says it is a no no for options on classic?

I know classic is his baby and I am saying leave his map as it is.

however, add this one as another option the way it looks here with a few EXTRA lands and keep lacks too, is this ok? or still no?

EmperorOfDaNorth · Post by **EmperorOfDaNorth** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:58 pm

I'm completely in favour of it.

The main thing that irks me about the current map is all the little fighter jets and navy ships; those 'date' the map in a contemporary war setting.

I'd much rather have something with a more classical layout.

EmperorOfDaNorth · Post by **EmperorOfDaNorth** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:03 pm

...but quickly, remove the current draft because people will look at it and then vote 'no' because it doesn't look very polished yet!

I suggest keeping the actual design in Foundry while it's being tweaked and perfected, THEN do a poll.

Also, a perfectly fine option to me would be to offer both the old classical map as well as the new one, at least until any overwhelming preference gets established.

Or, I bet it would also be relatively easy for one of the Greasemonkey scripts (BOB, etc) to make the map style a preference; switch between the old one and the new one just by changing your preference.

Tense · Post by **Tense** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:29 pm

Yes, I would absolutely support this. I don't support a change of gameplay (I believe it's very fine as it is).

The classic map is one of the very first maps you play as a beginner to CC. So it at least was for me.

The following issues with the map is what bothered me most. It made me angry and frustated.
(some of them, perhaps all, already mentioned)

Blue on a blue continent or Blue on a red continent.

Tiny - TINY - attack ways (Western Europe <-> North Africa, Middle East <-> East Africa) for instance.

RobinJ · Post by **RobinJ** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:37 pm

EmperorOfDaNorth wrote:...but quickly, remove the current draft because people will look at it and then vote 'no' because it doesn't look very polished yet!

I suggest keeping the actual design in Foundry while it's being tweaked and perfected, THEN do a poll.

Also, a perfectly fine option to me would be to offer both the old classical map as well as the new one, at least until any overwhelming preference gets established.

Or, I bet it would also be relatively easy for one of the Greasemonkey scripts (BOB, etc) to make the map style a preference; switch between the old one and the new one just by changing your preference.

Got to agree. Somehow our Classic is special because it was the original CC map but, equally so, the real (if you can use that word) Classic is also rather special.

As for who should make it, I really don't think it is yours to decide gimil, on this occassion. The Foundry has always been, imo, a democracy. No map would ever have made it without support (just look how long it took to get WWII Eastern Front done before qwert gave in) and unless there is overwhelming support for you doing it, I don't think it is fair that you should take on such a large project by yourself.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:02 pm

RobinJ wrote:
EmperorOfDaNorth wrote:...but quickly, remove the current draft because people will look at it and then vote 'no' because it doesn't look very polished yet!

I suggest keeping the actual design in Foundry while it's being tweaked and perfected, THEN do a poll.

Also, a perfectly fine option to me would be to offer both the old classical map as well as the new one, at least until any overwhelming preference gets established.

Or, I bet it would also be relatively easy for one of the Greasemonkey scripts (BOB, etc) to make the map style a preference; switch between the old one and the new one just by changing your preference.
Got to agree. Somehow our Classic is special because it was the original CC map but, equally so, the real (if you can use that word) Classic is also rather special.

As for who should make it, I really don't think it is yours to decide gimil, on this occassion. The Foundry has always been, imo, a democracy. No map would ever have made it without support (just look how long it took to get WWII Eastern Front done before qwert gave in) and unless there is overwhelming support for you doing it, I don't think it is fair that you should take on such a large project by yourself.

I come here not as a new CA, not representing the foundry. Im here a a member of the community with an intrest in revamping the classic map myself. The purpose of this thread is to decided wether or not i should invest my time in the project, not to decided the best course of action to carry out a revamp.

If there is support (which there is) i would go through the proper chaneels to gain permission etc for carrying out this subject.

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:37 pm

RobinJ wrote:As for who should make it, I really don't think it is yours to decide gimil, on this occassion. The Foundry has always been, imo, a democracy... unless there is overwhelming support for you doing it, I don't think it is fair that you should take on such a large project by yourself.

I agree.

If the 'powers that be' decide to allow a revamp of the Classic map, then there should be some sort of open contest... perhaps some sort of 'template' with pre-drawn borders/army circles could be made available (to ensure continuity of the XML), and an open contest to decide the most popular choice...

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:41 pm

gimil wrote:I come here not as a new CA, not representing the foundry. Im here a a member of the community with an intrest in revamping the classic map myself.

I'm sure I've read several threads in the Map Ideas Forum suggesting a revamp of Classic, and I'm sure that lots of people would be interested in giving it a shot.

Lets get the debate about whether the map should be revamped at all out of the way, before we have any discussion about who is going to do it.

Risktaker17 · Post by **Risktaker17** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:47 pm

Please don't. North east asia looks like you ran out of room and crammed it all together. Many of the countries loook like fat blobs. What is up with the colors too? Please this is not good enough. Sorry for the harsh criticism just had to speak my mind. The classic map needs revamping but not like this.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:59 pm

Risktaker17 wrote:Please don't. North east asia looks like you ran out of room and crammed it all together. Many of the countries loook like fat blobs. What is up with the colors too? Please this is not good enough. Sorry for the harsh criticism just had to speak my mind. The classic map needs revamping but not like this.

risk trying reading the full thread before deciding to comment. There is NO draft for a classic revamp, this thread is only for discussion, tel has posted what he would do.

edwinissweet · Post by **edwinissweet** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:01 pm

im all for it if we can keep both, the cc version and the board game

RobinJ · Post by **RobinJ** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:50 am

Risktaker17 wrote:Please don't. North east asia looks like you ran out of room and crammed it all together. Many of the countries loook like fat blobs. What is up with the colors too? Please this is not good enough. Sorry for the harsh criticism just had to speak my mind. The classic map needs revamping but not like this.

I think it would look more like the real thing in the final version

amazzony · Post by **amazzony** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:39 am

Leave it alone

please

It's a nice and it's called Classic for a reason. You don't take Beethoven's Für Elise and make a mix from it. If you want to make a mix then you'll take Britney Spears Oops, I did it again and mess with that one

Cheers,
amazzony

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:42 am

This poll is biased anyway as only selective people enter the forums, mainly people who go in the foundry and push for change, up to date etc. I bet if you asked the majority of members within the game, the no vote would skyrocket.

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:50 am

the only problem nag is that not every member visits the forum which is there own fault ( i aint blaming them, i know of real life) but yer
anyway gimil would be the only map make i would trust with this taht or DiM so i think yes it could use an update. and why not use the original

RiskTycoon · Post by **RiskTycoon** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:54 am

people are too scared of change...the classic map is fine the way it is....but why not dress it up a bit? that would be fine with me....i think it's a good idea.....don't think i would trust DiM too much with this project LV ....his maps are way too "abstract" for classic .... i'm afraid he would carry that over to this project if he was to work on it and i don't think that is what this map needs.....if it really needs anything at all....but i would be ok with a little tweaking for sure!

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:24 am

I love how everyone keeps saying "Why not use the map from the actual board game" and such. The current classic map is a version of the map from the board game....I believe it is the version from the 90's. Risk has been around for decades and there have been several variations on the map.

I am pro-revamp but only if its in the form of a contest....that way the community gets to decide what style of map is chosen.

Also, I think the current map could be used and many of the problems fixed without a full revamp. Keep the same image and style, and just move the army shadows so they don't cover the country names...and lighten the shadows in Europe so you can read blue numbers there. That way many members wouldn't even notice the changes so there would be no public outcry, but the problems with the current map would be fixed.

flexmaster33 · Post by **flexmaster33** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:33 am

gimil wrote:
Kaplowitz wrote:I voted No.

I think a contest would be more fun, and would give nay-sayers more options. I lot of people dont want ANY revamp, so when we force them (lol) we should at least give them some choices/
If you want to see the negatives to competition, check out canada

Its revamp was the most grahpically pleasing but hte furthest from the origonal, which people didnt like.

I play Canada all the time and I like the revamp...I'm in favor as long as the rules remain the same on classic...Nothing wrong with updating the look.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:38 am

I am a supporter of this idea.

As the most played map, Classic is far behind in the graphics department as compared to some other maps. A fresh polish would give this map a look suiting its status.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:55 pm

gimil wrote:lack has put a nono on options

looks like someone got turtle poo on their options...-0

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:32 pm

gimil wrote:
Risktaker17 wrote:Please don't. North east asia looks like you ran out of room and crammed it all together. Many of the countries loook like fat blobs. What is up with the colors too? Please this is not good enough. Sorry for the harsh criticism just had to speak my mind. The classic map needs revamping but not like this.
risk trying reading the full thread before deciding to comment. There is NO draft for a classic revamp, this thread is only for discussion, tel has posted what he would do.

I have not posted anything. Well not in the form of a map anyway.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:11 pm

Gimil, why are you afraid of a little competition? It's not as if you are uniquely suited to revamp CC hottest property.

happy2seeyou · Post by **happy2seeyou** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:08 pm

Whatever "problems" there may be with the map, just fix it and dont change the map. Why does a map need to totally be redone every time someone says there is a small flaw with it. I like how the map is now. You don't have to start all over, just fix the "whatevers" and leave it alone. If you want a new map so bad make a new map and leave the old ones how they are.

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