The Death Penalty

apey · Post by **apey** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:08 am

Skittles I really like you I do but

come on really No the guy killed his kids he deserves to die not be in exsistance I don't really know for sure that there is a hell or not if there is he needs to be there not wasting our air if there isn't then I don't care he should be dead and not wasting our precious air

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:09 am

Skittles! wrote:
The Weird One wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Maybe he has psychological problems? Maybe he didn't understand what he was doing because he was raging?
so you say that if someone's got psychological problems and they go ballistic and kill off a crowd of people, they don't deserve death?
No one deserves death, and the way the US of A goes around murderers and such is barbaric. It is more punishable to let the person live then to let them get what they probably want, and that is death.

Then in a sense, wouldn't that be more barbaric, to let them continue to suffer from such illnesses, rather then put them out of their misery?

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:14 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
The Weird One wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Maybe he has psychological problems? Maybe he didn't understand what he was doing because he was raging?
so you say that if someone's got psychological problems and they go ballistic and kill off a crowd of people, they don't deserve death?
No one deserves death, and the way the US of A goes around murderers and such is barbaric. It is more punishable to let the person live then to let them get what they probably want, and that is death.
Then in a sense, wouldn't that be more barbaric, to let them continue to suffer from such illnesses, rather then put them out of their misery?

It's a lesson. A lesson of guilt and hardship, that needs to be put that if he does something, like kill his family or something, that he will stay alive until he does actually die.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:16 am

apey wrote:Skittles I really like you I do but come on really No the guy killed his kids he deserves to die not be in exsistance I don't really know for sure that there is a hell or not if there is he needs to be there not wasting our air if there isn't then I don't care he should be dead and not wasting our precious air

Well.. If we want to stop wasting 'our precious air', we should also get rid of industrialisation. You've turned this into a "he deserves to die because he's wasting our precious air" argument, not that he should be left alive because he needs to suffer the guilt that the mother would be feeling, only with suffering for the mother.

apey · Post by **apey** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:22 am

when you have a lost a child skittles then tell me about how you feel when someone takes the life of their children because they wanted to get back at someone or for any reason there is nothing worse than loosing a child let alone all of your children So forgive me if I hate the bastard for killing his kids because his wife made him mad he deserves to die

Ariel* · Post by Ariel* » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:23 am

lol why not simply just yes or no? I agree with three of the options on the poll..

Yes, yes yes yes yes yes yes yes, kill them!
People say that it's not up to us to decide who gets to live and who dies, that if we kill them we are no better than them and that prison life is worse than death..
First of all, they made the choice themselves when they committed that crime. No it's not up to us, it's up to them. Most people know damn well that they will get punished for crimes and if we have the death penalty, they basically killed themselves when they committed the crime.

And quite frankly, prison can't be that bad can it? The constitution clearly makes cruel and unusual punishment illegal, so I'm guessing they all get food and water in there, and some fresh air every now and then, and a bed all to themselves. lol

As for the economical part, that's a part of the reason why I'm for death penalty. What's the point in wasting money, space, and oxygen on people like that? Just get rid of 'em.
btw it's ridiculous that people are arguing lethal injection to be cruel unusual punishment! They made it, to cause less pain, to help them. In my opinion we should still have gas chambers and firing squad. I would personally volunteer to shoot in the firing squad and aim for the legs or shoulder or something.

apey · Post by **apey** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:25 am

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:26 am

Skittles! wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
The Weird One wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Maybe he has psychological problems? Maybe he didn't understand what he was doing because he was raging?
so you say that if someone's got psychological problems and they go ballistic and kill off a crowd of people, they don't deserve death?
No one deserves death, and the way the US of A goes around murderers and such is barbaric. It is more punishable to let the person live then to let them get what they probably want, and that is death.
Then in a sense, wouldn't that be more barbaric, to let them continue to suffer from such illnesses, rather then put them out of their misery?
It's a lesson. A lesson of guilt and hardship, that needs to be put that if he does something, like kill his family or something, that he will stay alive until he does actually die.

some people don't feel that guilt. some people just don't give a damn. some people revel in it! that's not going to be sufficient for them all.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:31 am

Ariel, about the firing squad, Utah still uses it.

And TWO raises a valid point. There are killers who, not only revel in it, but glorify it to an extent. They feel no remorse, no sympathy. They cannot be treated for it, to dangerous to be sent to a "nut house." Not much else you can do, BUT kill them.

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:32 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:Ariel, about the firing squad, Utah still uses it.

And TWO raises a valid point. There are killers who, not only revel in it, but glorify it to an extent. They feel no remorse, no sympathy. They cannot be treated for it, to dangerous to be sent to a "nut house." Not much else you can do, BUT kill them.

and if you do it in the least pleasant way around, they would most likely deserve it.

apey · Post by **apey** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:33 am

No utah doesn't we did once in the late 80's early 90's but we don't anymore that was the last guy and he chose it

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:36 am

Killing another conscious human being is wrong. Even Christianity got that part right. Hell yeah, I think the guy in Alabama deserves to be slapped around, kneecapped, castrated, strangled, stoned, and immured. But the fact of the matter is, he is human. He has the right to life. This right should be inalienable. He should be removed from society for our safety, but I cannot see any reasonable justification for killing him.

Well, unless he wants to die. That's a different thread though...

apey · Post by **apey** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:37 am

I can he is a waste of space

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:39 am

apey wrote:I can he is a waste of space

For sure. If only all criminals would offer themselves up for scientific research or something. Pharmaceutical companies would have a field day...

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:42 am

Neoteny wrote:Killing another conscious human being is wrong. Even Christianity got that part right. Hell yeah, I think the guy in Alabama deserves to be slapped around, kneecapped, castrated, strangled, stoned, and immured. But the fact of the matter is, he is human. He has the right to life. This right should be inalienable. He should be removed from society for our safety, but I cannot see any reasonable justification for killing him.

Well, unless he wants to die. That's a different thread though...

ever heard of a little known string of historical events called the Crusades

apey · Post by **apey** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:45 am

That would b great However I am not talking about all criminals I am talking about Killers people that took Killing into their own hands the pain they caused others the injuries that they have inflicted need to be punished If you kill someone in cold blood (especially more than one someones) U should die for your crimes yeah it would be nice to include REPEAT child molesters but I will take what I can get

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:45 am

The Weird One wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Killing another conscious human being is wrong. Even Christianity got that part right. Hell yeah, I think the guy in Alabama deserves to be slapped around, kneecapped, castrated, strangled, stoned, and immured. But the fact of the matter is, he is human. He has the right to life. This right should be inalienable. He should be removed from society for our safety, but I cannot see any reasonable justification for killing him.

Well, unless he wants to die. That's a different thread though...
ever heard of a little known string of historical events called the Crusades

I must have slept through that class. And that movie. And that book I just read. And Guiscard's exasperated explanations. Who knows. Maybe I just don't pay attention.

Or maybe I was referring to a very specific commandment... one that is not necessarily used often enough by Christians.

What do you think?

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:47 am

Neoteny wrote:
The Weird One wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Killing another conscious human being is wrong. Even Christianity got that part right. Hell yeah, I think the guy in Alabama deserves to be slapped around, kneecapped, castrated, strangled, stoned, and immured. But the fact of the matter is, he is human. He has the right to life. This right should be inalienable. He should be removed from society for our safety, but I cannot see any reasonable justification for killing him.

Well, unless he wants to die. That's a different thread though...
ever heard of a little known string of historical events called the Crusades
I must have slept through that class. And that movie. And that book I just read. And Guiscard's exasperated explanations. Who knows. Maybe I just don't pay attention.

Or maybe I was referring to a very specific commandment... one that is not necessarily used often enough by Christians.

What do you think?

even so, you cannot say that they got it right. there was the spanish inquisition. the burning of 'witches'. and a whole list of other church-sanctioned murders and tortures. commandment or not, they sure as hell haven't gotten it right yet.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:54 am

apey wrote:That would b great However I am not talking about all criminals I am talking about Killers people that took Killing into their own hands the pain they caused others the injuries that they have inflicted need to be punished If you kill someone in cold blood (especially more than one someones) U should die for your crimes yeah it would be nice to include REPEAT child molesters but I will take what I can get

Even if someone killed another with a roll of sharpened steel wire, we don't have the right to do the same, even in a more humane way. They should be removed from the population entirely, and then hardly anyone (aside from the handlers) would have to deal with them. I don't think I can really appeal to any other logic than we can't sink down to the level of the monster.

"Death would be a release, next to this travesty!"

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:57 am

The Weird One wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
The Weird One wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Killing another conscious human being is wrong. Even Christianity got that part right. Hell yeah, I think the guy in Alabama deserves to be slapped around, kneecapped, castrated, strangled, stoned, and immured. But the fact of the matter is, he is human. He has the right to life. This right should be inalienable. He should be removed from society for our safety, but I cannot see any reasonable justification for killing him.

Well, unless he wants to die. That's a different thread though...
ever heard of a little known string of historical events called the Crusades
I must have slept through that class. And that movie. And that book I just read. And Guiscard's exasperated explanations. Who knows. Maybe I just don't pay attention.

Or maybe I was referring to a very specific commandment... one that is not necessarily used often enough by Christians.

What do you think?
even so, you cannot say that they got it right. there was the spanish inquisition. the burning of 'witches'. and a whole list of other church-sanctioned murders and tortures. commandment or not, they sure as hell haven't gotten it right yet.

Yes, I'm well aware that Christians are absurd. But the tenet they are supposed to be following instructs them not to kill. You know, the one they are trying to put in courthouses? The biggest problem with Christianity is Christians (up there with being made up), I'll be the first to admit. I'm not quite sure what exactly you're trying to prove other than "people suck," which I'm quite aware of.

EDIT: How about, "whoever made up that particular rule" got it right? Is that specific enough?

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:03 am

apey wrote:I can he is a waste of space

So are a lot of things, yet we don't get rid of that.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:04 am

Skittles! wrote:
apey wrote:I can he is a waste of space
So are a lot of things, yet we don't get rid of that.

If I had a little more alcohol in me, I wouldn't have the tact to hold my tongue. As is, I have decided that I am capable of just implying that I had something politically incorrect to say. Or maybe just saying, not implying.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:06 am

Tell.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:07 am

Skittles! wrote:Tell.

Nah.

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:09 am

got tonkaed wrote:
autoload wrote:I voted the "No- victims deserve some peace of mind." option because it didn't have any votes yet.
i like your style.

Thanks.

The Death Penalty

Should the death penalty be banned?