WWII: Battle of Gazala [Quenched]

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:33 pm

qwert wrote:
the panzerarmee color of green check was given to this map to differentiate between the two continents of Rommel's forces.
Belive me when you take Real Panzer armee HQ table,he will be more diferent then now.I mean colours and shape is diferent then what you present.But these is only mine offer,so you can do what you want.

Qwert....what is the link please.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:27 pm

You dont need link,just go to WWII ardennes offensive,copy map and paste.Take Symbol and put in map.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:04 pm

qwert wrote:You dont need link,just go to WWII ardennes offensive,copy map and paste.Take Symbol and put in map.

Oh ok thanks Qwert...i thought you had an external link to another website for the table.

HVALA LEPO (hope this is correct)

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:50 pm

Oh ok thanks Qwert...i thought you had an external link to another website for the table.

HVALA LEPO (hope this is correct)

Yes these is correct

NEMA NA ČEMU

Ogrecrusher · Post by **Ogrecrusher** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:25 pm

Ogrecrusher wrote:Red Mortar seems to be able to both attack and bombard Rommel P. How will you be able to chose attack or bombard? Or maybe I read wrong

Did you miss this?

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:18 pm

Ogrecrusher wrote:
Ogrecrusher wrote:Red Mortar seems to be able to both attack and bombard Rommel P. How will you be able to chose attack or bombard? Or maybe I read wrong
Did you miss this?

no haven't got around to answering it yet.

oaktown · Post by **oaktown** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:18 am

can the airfield graphic be made a bit lighter? It really pops out against the background color, making the map look flat.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:33 am

Just a little announcement....Lanyards will also be working on the xml for this map, a very kind offer indeed. Thanks Lanyards for the offer.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:41 am

POLL
8:30pm 4/1/08 EST - 2 days

Before i go answering further requests, Qwert has raised an interesting inssue re the Rommal and Panzerarmee flags.

On Version 15 below, the flags are German Afrika Corps style flags, Black and white for Rommel and Green and white for the Panzerarmee.
The green was done simply to identify a diffferent continent for play.

On Version 16, are the proper flags for Rommel and the Panzerarmee, as pointed out by Qwert.

I think that V15 flags look better for the map, and work in better with it, but i want you to decide which one you prefer.

VErsion 15.

Version 16

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:49 am

they look equal good, so lets take the real army flags

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:52 am

onbekende wrote:they look equal good, so lets take the real army flags

Surely though onbekende, the black, cream and brown for one and green, black and cream for the other works better for the design of terts and colours in the map overall.

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:31 am

I'm not keen on the red borders of the updated flags; and prefer your original colours.

Have you thought about merging the two, and using the colours of v15, with the shapes in v16 (ie use green and black triangles for the Panzerarmee)

asl80 · Post by **asl80** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:46 am

In aggrement with Mr Benn's suggestions here - keep Rommel as per v15 and make Panz. green and black triangles

This would hold to the symbolism og the real flags, just with a little creative licence regarding their recreation and use in a very small and finicky situation.

EDIT/ p.s. what about turning the italian flags around so they are facing the same way as in the legend - it just seems a little odd flying that way ... i know it's not incorect, and just a matter of perspective, but, as you usually look at a flag from left to right, for the italian flag you picture green white red, it just plays with the eyes a little. (just an aesthetic thing i suppose, but one more thing would be to say that it keeps the map flowing from left to right)

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:29 am

asl80 wrote:In aggrement with Mr Benn's suggestions here - keep Rommel as per v15 and make Panz. green and black triangles

This would hold to the symbolism og the real flags, just with a little creative licence regarding their recreation and use in a very small and finicky situation.

EDIT/ p.s. what about turning the italian flags around so they are facing the same way as in the legend - it just seems a little odd flying that way ... i know it's not incorect, and just a matter of perspective, but, as you usually look at a flag from left to right, for the italian flag you picture green white red, it just plays with the eyes a little. (just an aesthetic thing i suppose, but one more thing would be to say that it keeps the map flowing from left to right)

Thanks for that offering asl80....
the flags in the legend are set at the correct position for reading....i.e. left to right, with the poles situated on the left.
In the map, some are reversed to give the appearance of movement making them flow behind their flag. this was done after a suggestion from the punters, but i think it would look silly for some of the other flags to fly in reverse.

Maybe i need to poll this one also....i'll think some more on it and see what other have to say.

Jolly good suggestions from you and MrBenn about the compromise....good to unlock a deadlock...will be noted!

Ogrecrusher · Post by **Ogrecrusher** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:59 am

I say go for the real ones

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:57 pm

Like i say before

Belive me when you take Real Panzer armee HQ table,he will be more diferent then now.I mean colours and shape is diferent then what you present.But these is only mine offer,so you can do what you want.

So these mean that you dont need to obey to mine opinion,just do what you think that is right.
I will vote for real German army flags.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:18 pm

qwert wrote:Like i say before
Belive me when you take Real Panzer armee HQ table,he will be more diferent then now.I mean colours and shape is diferent then what you present.But these is only mine offer,so you can do what you want.
So these mean that you dont need to obey to mine opinion,just do what you think that is right.
I will vote for real German army flags.

Yes Qwert, i understood your message about your opinion, it looks like the real flags will win the day anyway, thank you for your contribution.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:48 am

ogrecrusher wrote:Red Mortar seems to be able to both attack and bombard Rommel P. How will you be able to chose attack or bombard? Or maybe I read wrong

I have fixed all the attack routes. That issue should now be resolved.

onbekende wrote:Italian flag needs to be more red then orange, the shield on it is only sporadic used

I am leaving the colours and positions of the italian flags as is. in the legend - the correct way around...on the field they fly with the wind.

Qwert has his proper flags on the map now - resulting from poll...good to see, although i still prefer the older colour versions.

oaktown wrote:can the airfield graphic be made a bit lighter? It really pops out against the background color, making the map look flat.

Done. and enlarged.

The fonts non-title have been changed to Verdana, and everything has been moved around to have consistency in the tert naming.
Hope this is more appealing.

Ogrecrusher · Post by **Ogrecrusher** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:10 pm

Ogrecrusher wrote:
Red Mortar seems to be able to both attack and bombard Rommel P. How will you be able to chose attack or bombard? Or maybe I read wrong

I have fixed all the attack routes. That issue should now be resolved

I've just noticed this problem still exists in one place.
Red Mortar to Bir El Gobi. All the other mortars are ok as far as I can see.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:20 pm

i see that yours small map is 600x520px,maybe its better to take max, for small map,and then some small things will be more visible

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:20 pm

Ogrecrusher wrote:
Ogrecrusher wrote:
Red Mortar seems to be able to both attack and bombard Rommel P. How will you be able to chose attack or bombard? Or maybe I read wrong

I have fixed all the attack routes. That issue should now be resolved
I've just noticed this problem still exists in one place.
Red Mortar to Bir El Gobi. All the other mortars are ok as far as I can see.

Mmmm...Ogrecrusher....sorry about that, i'll remove it and f5 to see the changes in the map above.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:32 pm

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:54 pm

qwert wrote:i see that yours small map is 600x520px,maybe its better to take max, for small map,and then some small things will be more visible

no qwert. i don't want this to be any bigger now. i think there is enough romm in there.

asl80 · Post by **asl80** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:59 pm

sorry cairns (and qwert, i think), but i gotta give a big booooooo on the look of the axis flags.
(maybe i'm just been a sore loser, but i think they just throw the colour blances right out)

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:10 pm

cairns looking great!

one thing that I think might be important

on the small map especially, I'm having a hard time distinguishing the colour of the 3rd brigade and the 22nd

maybe make the 22nd mortar yellow?

I think this gives us four very distinguishable colours.

right now when I look at Panzer C and D the missiles there look very similar