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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Butters1919 on Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:54 am

To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby josko.ri on Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:55 am

Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?

I would count them as different just because they have different image/icon. What others think?
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Donelladan on Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:58 am

Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?


It's not really like bronze silver gold and platinum. Because you could have 1000 times the bronze in monthly leaders or most improved and still never have the gold and silver. While the bronze/silver/gold platinum is really the same medal but with more achievement of the same thing. See the difference ?
It's like the championship and conquer cup. Being 1st isn't same as being 2nd ^^.
With the platinum double for example, you cannot have the platinum without having the gold and the other before.
While you can have gold conquer cup medal and never get silver and bronze.
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby owenshooter on Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:40 am

Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?

to be honest, about 15 people care about medals on this entire site... but hey, we all come here for different reasons! who am i to say what they love is any different than what i love? "it's complicated"....-Bj
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby BoganGod on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:15 am

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Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?

to be honest, about 15 people care about medals on this entire site... but hey, we all come here for different reasons! who am i to say what they love is any different than what i love? "it's complicated"....-Bj

The rainbow gay jesus is disappointed in the black jesus. You say people come for different reasons. Then you say you can't say they love different things to you. Contradictory much? BJ has gone MT on the thinker me thinks.
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:21 am

BoganGod wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?

to be honest, about 15 people care about medals on this entire site... but hey, we all come here for different reasons! who am i to say what they love is any different than what i love? "it's complicated"....-Bj

The rainbow gay jesus is disappointed in the black jesus. You say people come for different reasons. Then you say you can't say they love different things to you. Contradictory much? BJ has gone MT on the thinker me thinks.
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:24 am

Donelladan wrote:
Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?


It's not really like bronze silver gold and platinum. Because you could have 1000 times the bronze in monthly leaders or most improved and still never have the gold and silver. While the bronze/silver/gold platinum is really the same medal but with more achievement of the same thing. See the difference ?
It's like the championship and conquer cup. Being 1st isn't same as being 2nd ^^.
With the platinum double for example, you cannot have the platinum without having the gold and the other before.
While you can have gold conquer cup medal and never get silver and bronze.

That may be true, but it's still not a different kind of achievement.

If I had my druthers, the "Most Improved" would be seen as one medal, in gold, silver, and bronze grades. Ditto for the Conquer Cup and the Power Score. Still, I suppose the best way is the simplest way, and that is to count them seperate, as they appear.
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby BoganGod on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:29 am

Dukasaur wrote:
BoganGod wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?

to be honest, about 15 people care about medals on this entire site... but hey, we all come here for different reasons! who am i to say what they love is any different than what i love? "it's complicated"....-Bj

The rainbow gay jesus is disappointed in the black jesus. You say people come for different reasons. Then you say you can't say they love different things to you. Contradictory much? BJ has gone MT on the thinker me thinks.
In loving kindness your rainbow queer christ.

Read it again. It's not what he said.

Please read the different colour text. Now we both know what he/she/it/zee/zir was attempting to say. However suggesting that he is not a worthy judge of whether his love and their love are the same is complicated.....
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby owenshooter on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:40 am

BoganGod wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
BoganGod wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?

to be honest, about 15 people care about medals on this entire site... but hey, we all come here for different reasons! who am i to say what they love is any different than what i love? "it's complicated"....-Bj

The rainbow gay jesus is disappointed in the black jesus. You say people come for different reasons. Then you say you can't say they love different things to you. Contradictory much? BJ has gone MT on the thinker me thinks.
In loving kindness your rainbow queer christ.

Read it again. It's not what he said.

Please read the different colour text. Now we both know what he/she/it/zee/zir was attempting to say. However suggesting that he is not a worthy judge of whether his love and their love are the same is complicated.....

um... reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong point... in other words, someone loves medals, which i don't get. how is that any different than my love of Poly games, which they may not get? i think the chasing of medals is ridiculous, but it is what keeps them coming back to the site. to some, poly is ridiculous, but it is literally what keeps me playing games on this site (as my pool of dubs partners has evaporated from people leaving the site)... please do not put words into my mouth. i said exactly what i meant, and it is accurate. who am i to judge why someone loves this site, as my reasons to them may seem just as ridiculous to them, as theirs does to me...

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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby IcePack on Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:46 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
Donelladan wrote:
Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?


It's not really like bronze silver gold and platinum. Because you could have 1000 times the bronze in monthly leaders or most improved and still never have the gold and silver. While the bronze/silver/gold platinum is really the same medal but with more achievement of the same thing. See the difference ?
It's like the championship and conquer cup. Being 1st isn't same as being 2nd ^^.
With the platinum double for example, you cannot have the platinum without having the gold and the other before.
While you can have gold conquer cup medal and never get silver and bronze.

That may be true, but it's still not a different kind of achievement.

If I had my druthers, the "Most Improved" would be seen as one medal, in gold, silver, and bronze grades. Ditto for the Conquer Cup and the Power Score. Still, I suppose the best way is the simplest way, and that is to count them seperate, as they appear.


:o There is a god, I agree with duka!

I wish / thought this is how they were going to be implimented way back when, I was a little surprised when it was not that way. I thought it would show the highest level you achieved, with the dates of each individual level achieved beneath similar to the others.
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby owenshooter on Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:30 pm

IcePack wrote::o There is a god..


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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Symmetry on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:09 pm

owenshooter wrote:
BoganGod wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
BoganGod wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
Butters1919 wrote:To be honest, I'm not sure the "Monthly Leaders" and "Most Improved" bronze, silver and gold should really count as different types of medals. They are just higher levels of the same type, much like our bronze, silver, gold and platinum of the main medal types. Thoughts?

to be honest, about 15 people care about medals on this entire site... but hey, we all come here for different reasons! who am i to say what they love is any different than what i love? "it's complicated"....-Bj

The rainbow gay jesus is disappointed in the black jesus. You say people come for different reasons. Then you say you can't say they love different things to you. Contradictory much? BJ has gone MT on the thinker me thinks.
In loving kindness your rainbow queer christ.

Read it again. It's not what he said.

Please read the different colour text. Now we both know what he/she/it/zee/zir was attempting to say. However suggesting that he is not a worthy judge of whether his love and their love are the same is complicated.....

um... reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong point... in other words, someone loves medals, which i don't get. how is that any different than my love of Poly games, which they may not get? i think the chasing of medals is ridiculous, but it is what keeps them coming back to the site. to some, poly is ridiculous, but it is literally what keeps me playing games on this site (as my pool of dubs partners has evaporated from people leaving the site)... please do not put words into my mouth. i said exactly what i meant, and it is accurate. who am i to judge why someone loves this site, as my reasons to them may seem just as ridiculous to them, as theirs does to me...

DISCLAIMER: *DSOIV* is excluded from this statement.

go forth and smite thine enemies...-Bj


If your dubs partners leave you so often, perhaps you might want to rethink your approach. You seem a little controlling for a long term relationship to work. Have you considered that the common factor in your failed partnerships might be you?

It's just something worth pondering, perhaps.
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby josko.ri on Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:12 am

betiko is on the way to earn 31st kind of medal and advance to 3rd place of this list, but before the medal is awarded to him, he need to defend himself that he earned the medal without breaking site rules, on this C&A report:
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby mrswdk on Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:35 am

josko.ri wrote:betiko is on the way to earn 31st kind of medal and advance to 3rd place of this list, but before the medal is awarded to him, he need to defend himself that he earned the medal without breaking site rules, on this C&A report:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=220817


If anything it's you who should be defending yourself from accusations of filing a rubbish C&A report.
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Re: The Betiko Medal Stalking Thread

Postby owenshooter on Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:55 pm

mrswdk wrote:
josko.ri wrote:betiko is on the way to earn 31st kind of medal and advance to 3rd place of this list, but before the medal is awarded to him, he need to defend himself that he earned the medal without breaking site rules, on this C&A report:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=220817


If anything it's you who should be defending yourself from accusations of filing a rubbish C&A report.


especially, since this thread was solely started over a medal earned last sunday and someone's obsession with Betiko.. team CC just got USED!!! BA HA HA HA!!! way to keep the thread in the GD, jr. mints!!! good job!!! this thing will fade as soon as this crusade/stalking against Betiko is over...-Bj
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Razorvich on Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:34 am

This is an interesting topic Josko. Would be better if everyone holstered thier guns and stop going at each other.

Think it came close to breaking a record for reported posts in such a short amount of time... but then again.. there has been worse.

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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby iAmCaffeine on Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:15 pm

josko.ri wrote:it is harder to get the same different kind of medals with less total medals.

Is it, though? I know I essentially said the same previously, but I was just messing around. I'd argue it's surely harder to have more medals and more different types because those that have more medals will have more terminator medals, or more quadruples medals, or more tournament wins etc and still have a greater variety of medals too.
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby betiko on Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:56 am

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josko.ri wrote:it is harder to get the same different kind of medals with less total medals.

Is it, though? I know I essentially said the same previously, but I was just messing around. I'd argue it's surely harder to have more medals and more different types because those that have more medals will have more terminator medals, or more quadruples medals, or more tournament wins etc and still have a greater variety of medals too.


Josko's argument is proper shit.
If you have 2 gold championship tournaments, then it's not as good as someone who has a bronze and a silver.
If you have a doubles platinum (1000 unique kills taking aside all the guys you got multiple times) it's not as good as a dubs+trips+quads+manual in bronze each.. which only require 20 unique kills each (if you put them all together it's not even enough to get a silver..)

Not to mention medals in tournaments, clans, TO where you don t get medals after 30, you just get 1 for 50, 100 and so on.
Almost all medals are increasingly more difficult so it s obviously easier to get the first ones.

Josko, since you created this thread just after going through my medals last week end and reporting me to the TD because you saw that 2 years ago a mod mistakenly gave me 2 medals for the same tournament....
Can I ask you what you were expecting from me by making a first little list and not including me in it? Lol. Do you think I didn't know what you were doing? I knew that you knew I had a lot more that most people you wrote down on your first list (after all you had been staring at my profile a few minutes earlier). So I obviously guesssed you would try to invent any kind of bullshit so that I don t make it back in the top 10 to get my first monthly bronze.
That is so pathetic... in fact just after creating the games against fairman i made the bet with him that you were going to report us and start making up your own rules. Ha!
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby josko.ri on Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:00 am

betiko wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
josko.ri wrote:it is harder to get the same different kind of medals with less total medals.

Is it, though? I know I essentially said the same previously, but I was just messing around. I'd argue it's surely harder to have more medals and more different types because those that have more medals will have more terminator medals, or more quadruples medals, or more tournament wins etc and still have a greater variety of medals too.


Josko's argument is proper shit.
If you have 2 gold championship tournaments, then it's not as good as someone who has a bronze and a silver.
If you have a doubles platinum (1000 unique kills taking aside all the guys you got multiple times) it's not as good as a dubs+trips+quads+manual in bronze each.. which only require 20 unique kills each (if you put them all together it's not even enough to get a silver..)
Not to mention medals in tournaments, clans, TO where you don t get medals after 30, you just get 1 for 50, 100 and so on.
Almost all medals are increasingly more difficult so it s obviously easier to get the first ones.

So which tie breaker do you propose instead of the least medals = better? The second tie breaker I can think of is the least games played in total = better. However, I chose tie breaker with the least medals which places me on second place below Great Ollie but if I chose the tie breaker with the least games played then I would hold #1 place.

betiko wrote:Josko, since you created this thread just after going through my medals last week end and reporting me to the TD because you saw that 2 years ago a mod mistakenly gave me 2 medals for the same tournament....
Can I ask you what you were expecting from me by making a first little list and not including me in it? Lol. Do you think I didn't know what you were doing? I knew that you knew I had a lot more that most people you wrote down on your first list (after all you had been staring at my profile a few minutes earlier). So I obviously guesssed you would try to invent any kind of bullshit so that I don t make it back in the top 10 to get my first monthly bronze.
That is so pathetic... in fact just after creating the games against fairman i made the bet with him that you were going to report us and start making up your own rules. Ha!


At my first post in this tournament, I have included ONLY players who have 31 or more medals (at that time I wasnt aware that Great Ollie also has 33) because I was searching how many of us have 7th line of medals in forum posting, in order to send suggestion to bigWham to increase number of lines for medals in forum posting to 7. You were not among players who have 7 lines of medals in forum posting. This is pm I sent to bigWham and king achilles just 4 minutes after creating this thread:
josko.ri wrote:A simple forum posting restriction
Sent: Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:41 am
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To: king achilles bigWham

hi bigWham and king achilles,

I noticed that when I am forum posting, it only shows that I have 30 medals which is 6 rows times 5 medals, but it doesn't show all 33 kinds of medals.
Then I found the only other player with that "problem" is Donelladan who has 31 different kinds of medals.
some players have 30.

I suggest to add one more row in medals when forum posting, so that 35 medals can be shown instead of current 30.

Not big deal but just suggesting as I think it is just a simple coding for you to do that.


I also explained in the first post of this thread how I came to idea to make the thread.
josko.ri wrote:I have researched about it because I noticed that when I am forum posting, it only shows that I have 30 medals which is 6 rows times 5 medals, but it doesn't show all 33 medals. Then I found the only other players with that "problem" are Great-Ollie and Donelladan and everyone else have 30 or less so when forum posting it shows all their medals.

The timing of this thread has nothing to do with you, but it has with the fact that I started to compile some historical list (One included in Clan Hall of Fame) after I had earned my 33rd kind of medal several days ago:
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You were not included in the very first edition because I only included who I knew have 31 or more (based on my research before when I sent pm to admins to increase forum posting space to 7th line), and my initial idea was to expand the list when someone new makes post, and then add his data (that is why first posters Keefie and jdw35 were included on the list). However, the next day I have realized that it is not such time demanding task to compile the complete list, so I did that then.

I know you think you are center of the Universe and everything what someone did is because of you, but cool down a litle, it is not like that :lol: ;)
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby betiko on Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:11 pm

First, your thread is about the most medal types people here have, so i don t really see why you d need a ranking with tiebreakers..

Second, your first list was like a top 5 with a range going from 33 to 26. And you were like half an hour before that looking in detail my profile and medals. So yeah, I knew you were up for something twisted. And nope, I don't believe I'm the center of the universe, but I do know I was the center of your universe this past week. I hope you got over it!
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:04 pm

betiko wrote: going through my medals last week end and reporting me to the TD because you saw that 2 years ago a mod mistakenly gave me 2 medals for the same tournament....

Are you sure that this is what happened? There is a known bug where sometimes if you win an autotournament after winning a manual tournament, the autotournament will not display, but the medal counter will increment by one. Thus, the name of the previously-won manual tournament will display twice.

Before "admitting" to having a duplicate medal, go through your games from around that time and see if you won an autotournament soon afterward. You could just be the victim of a bug, and the number of your medals might be correct. (If so, also check if the putative auto has a medal in its prize list. Many of the smaller autos don't award medals.)
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby betiko on Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:51 am

Dukasaur wrote:
betiko wrote: going through my medals last week end and reporting me to the TD because you saw that 2 years ago a mod mistakenly gave me 2 medals for the same tournament....

Are you sure that this is what happened? There is a known bug where sometimes if you win an autotournament after winning a manual tournament, the autotournament will not display, but the medal counter will increment by one. Thus, the name of the previously-won manual tournament will display twice.

Before "admitting" to having a duplicate medal, go through your games from around that time and see if you won an autotournament soon afterward. You could just be the victim of a bug, and the number of your medals might be correct. (If so, also check if the putative auto has a medal in its prize list. Many of the smaller autos don't award medals.)


I don t know, the medal is already stripped anyways and that made josko's day. I just think this whole thing is getting way past ridiculous when we know what this is all actually about..
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby Mad777 on Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:40 am

betiko wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
betiko wrote: going through my medals last week end and reporting me to the TD because you saw that 2 years ago a mod mistakenly gave me 2 medals for the same tournament....

Are you sure that this is what happened? There is a known bug where sometimes if you win an autotournament after winning a manual tournament, the autotournament will not display, but the medal counter will increment by one. Thus, the name of the previously-won manual tournament will display twice.

Before "admitting" to having a duplicate medal, go through your games from around that time and see if you won an autotournament soon afterward. You could just be the victim of a bug, and the number of your medals might be correct. (If so, also check if the putative auto has a medal in its prize list. Many of the smaller autos don't award medals.)


I don t know, the medal is already stripped anyways and that made josko's day. I just think this whole thing is getting way past ridiculous when we know what this is all actually about..


Duke, I checked both Auto & Casual tournaments, must be Clive clicking twice or just a bug, but bugs not being notorious in this part of the code...I couldn't found any "hole" that would have give betiko 2 medals in one shot, fairman was the TO and he received both, the TO & the TA medals (even do the the TA was only virtual since he had more than 30 tournament wins).

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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby josko.ri on Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:12 am

betiko wrote:First, your thread is about the most medal types people here have, so i don t really see why you d need a ranking with tiebreakers..

Second, your first list was like a top 5 with a range going from 33 to 26. And you were like half an hour before that looking in detail my profile and medals. So yeah, I knew you were up for something twisted. And nope, I don't believe I'm the center of the universe, but I do know I was the center of your universe this past week. I hope you got over it!

I will make new tie breaker from now on, who first comes to some number of medals, he wins tie breaker over the ones who came after. But for tie breaker in this moment, I leave it as it is now.

My first list had idea to have everyone with 31, for what I have data, and to be upgraded as soon as someone posts and then put his data. Keefie and jdw35 were among the first posters and I updated their score which was about 25,26. Later on, I found enough time in hands to properly update the list, so then it was not anymore criterium "who makes post, I update the list with his data".

It is interesting how you are bashing me for reporting that you have medal awarded unproperly, and I was actually right in the case because the medal was indeed awarded unproperly. You are not bashing yourself for being fully aware that you have undeserved medal yet you have remained silent about that fact and hold the medal for how many months or years before it was removed from you.

I was once in the same shoes like you having awarded medal undeservedly for organizing a tournament. At that time, I had reported myself and the medal was removed from my profile. You know, some players have honor in medal hunting ;)

Obviously, you like the idea to own undeserved medals :lol: ;)
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Re: The most different kinds of medals on the site

Postby josko.ri on Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:34 am

FreeFalling123 has been added to the list, receiving his 28th kind of medal yesterday
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