Conquer Club

Accused:
Obi*Wan

The accused are suspected of:
Being Multis (probably Paul on VPN)

Game number(s):
Game 19604384
Game 19604363
Game 19602470
Game 19584568
and about 50 more Antarctica games.

160 games played in 3 weeks, 53% win rate. Randomly messaging high ranking players he finds in waiting/active games on Antarctica. Watch him comment here because he knows to check.

Here are some quotes from PMs he has sent, although they aren't sent directly to me so I can't report them.

I was actually referring to a 1v1 game. That way you don't have to coordinate with a partner. If you are willing to teach me a little, set up a game and invite me.

Sent: Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:44 pm
by Obi*Wan

I am enjoying learning about this map. TY for the opportunity. It is very different from most others but I like it.

If you would like to invite me to any more games on it I would welcome the chance to continue learning.

Obi*Wan

Sent: Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:14 pm
by Obi*Wan

yep, sounds like his MO...

persistent if it is him . the vpn mask may hide the users ip address but too many coincidences to paulatpeace the text the invites the pms the map i think ya caught him again !! he just cant resist that map . site mod check the email address the account was authorized . when you first sign up to cc club an email is sent by site . its on off chance the vpn was not used setting up the account . also the country origin flags will change quite often as the vpn is a secure tunnel between two or more devices. currently the flag on obi wans wall is Romania . watch the country on his wall . here is a wall of a member i suspect i suspect is using a vpn

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=305549

there is a few more ways to catch a vpn user but i dont want to say ill keep them under my toga whaaahaaaaaaaa

im wrong more then right but ill say good catch caff

First ty to Zeus111 for posting the Topic link on my wall which lead me here. ty also to riskllama who first also posted on my wall saying something about p@p which I thought was supposed to be something funny. It seems though that I am being accused of doing something wrong. Something called Multis. I don't know what that is, but it seems to have something to do playing a lot of games since I started on this game site and winning about half of them. Maybe I should have tried to lose more but I thought the object was to try to win. I think the player random21 was referenced in one of the games I played with him. Please ask him if he thought I did something wrong. He is a nice guy. Also playing about 49 Antarctica games is something I should not have done although I think I may have played more of the Classic map. The last 2 Antarctica games are ones I was invited to from my first tournament that just started. The next 25 or so were practice games I set up with the same settings as the tournament to become familiar with the settings. I also played about 15 games on this map with a friend I met here, YukFu when we both decided we wanted to learn the map. This was after I joined a couple games and got my butt handed to me but found I liked the map. I have played many different maps so far with different players. I have lost a lot of these games. I don't think I have played any games with the guy who is accusing me and don't know why he is doing it. I would appreciate an apology when it is found I did nothing wrong. Obi

Obi*Wan wrote:First ty to Zeus111 for posting the Topic link on my wall which lead me here. ty also to riskllama who first also posted on my wall saying something about p@p which I thought was supposed to be something funny. It seems though that I am being accused of doing something wrong. Something called Multis. I don't know what that is, but it seems to have something to do playing a lot of games since I started on this game site and winning about half of them. Maybe I should have tried to lose more but I thought the object was to try to win. I think the player random21 was referenced in one of the games I played with him. Please ask him if he thought I did something wrong. He is a nice guy. Also playing about 49 Antarctica games is something I should not have done although I think I may have played more of the Classic map. The last 2 Antarctica games are ones I was invited to from my first tournament that just started. The next 25 or so were practice games I set up with the same settings as the tournament to become familiar with the settings. I also played about 15 games on this map with a friend I met here, YukFu when we both decided we wanted to learn the map. This was after I joined a couple games and got my butt handed to me but found I liked the map. I have played many different maps so far with different players. I have lost a lot of these games. I don't think I have played any games with the guy who is accusing me and don't know why he is doing it. I would appreciate an apology when it is found I did nothing wrong. Obi

Rule #1: No multiple accounts

Multiple accounts are discovered by routine scans and community cheating reports. They are strictly forbidden whether or not they play in the same games or are even in use. If you suspect certain accounts belong to the same person, please report it following the instructions at the top of the Cheating & Abuse Reports forum.

yukfoo will be in his own c@a case soon enough .

but like paul you messaged or targeted our high ranking players sent them a pm just like paul did . paulatpeace violated every site rule and has been handed a lifetime ban but i suspect you know all this . i am curious obi are you using a vpn ??if not a simple id check could clear you on this very easily . like a drivers license showing country of origin in this case Romania a utility bill matching the address on the drivers license would clear this up rapidly .

zeus111

One of the players who know me on this site has suggested I mention 2 things here. The first is that I address what seems to be the accusation of having more than one account on this site. I do not know why anyone would want more than one account. It is all I can do to play the games on the only account I have. I have never been anyone else. I am only me, Obi*Wan. Second, it was suggested I let you all know that I have played a lot on other Risk-like sites such as Dominating12, War Light, Pogo and others which I guess has given me more experience than other new players here. I also took a look at the map I like and play the most, the Classic map. I think I counted like 83 games I have played or am currently playing here on this map. Hope this helps. Obi

@zeus, I don't think you should be asking people to show their ID. No one needs to show an ID to play CC.

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19591286

Accused didn't play this at all as he should have. He definitely didn't know how to play antartica poly(4) esca.

All his other antartica game are 1vs1 no spoils which wasn't a setting PAP was playing a lot.

He does seems like he is learning pretty fast for a new players, but I doubt he is PAP, or he is doing a good job at pretending imho.

PM'ing high ranked player seems odd though.

The way he acts and talks is way too obvious. It's textbook. But we'll see what happens.

ty Donelladan for defending me. To explain why I messaged a few of the higher score players, I sent messages to maybe 4 or so players asking them if they would be willing to teach me how to play some of the more difficult looking maps. random12 was the only player to say he would and offered to play some Eurasia games with me and teach me while playing. He was a great teacher and I did learn a lot from him. I am actually thinking of joining some more Eurasia games or creating some and inviting higher score players. When I lose to a player with a higher score I do not lose nearly as many points, and I can study their strategy first hand. I was also playing a doubles game with a General named cheffed on the Antarctica map. My partner and I really got our butts handed to us. I messaged him and asked if he would like to play another game. He said they could probably make that happen. I asked if he was interested in a 1v1 game. He told me he didn't play 1v1 much any more, but was very polite and wished me well. Obi

I wouldn't worry too much about it Obi Wan.

Someone is just a jealous little girl because you spanked them too many times as a noob! And you are generally in the top 3 on the Most Improved leaderboard (I was 1st last month). You are a target when you are on top.

I too was accused of being a "Multi" when I was a noob, only like a month ago haha! Some people lives must be so pathetic, I cannot even fathom.

Man that is annoying! This site is terrible for this "Multi" name-calling. It feels like a kindergarten class. And the problem is, is that it is all these high ranking users who have been on this website for years and years and years, who should know better, who are the ones doing all the harassment and name-calling. They don't care if they scare away users. In fact, it seems their objective!

This month I am a nobody, not on any leaderboards, cant hold rank, so nobody cares about me anymore. Either that, or I FOED all those who were harassing me on Conquer Club, and that has worked for me. ( Reminder to FOE those users in this thread).

This is how you treat your premium paying users? Obi Wan is a paying user. I have paid nearly $200 to this website already, and I have been here like what 1 month or so? I was going to pay another $100 yesterday for another 10,000 gold star coins, because I only have 10,125, and I need more! Isn't that another sure sign of a noob? That he is wasting all his time and money offering to the conquer gods? I probably offered to the conquer gods well over 2000+ times on my first day! Sure sign of a noob!!! But lets call him a multi because that is cool.

In global chat I regularly see comments relating to the number of users around here declining. Well that is because you scare them all away with your "Multi" name calling! I almost packed it in around the Christmas event when I was being called a multi, after only being here for a week!!!!! It was so annoying! Clearly Obi Wan is annoyed here, and for valid reason, more proof that he is not a multi.

Another noteworthy point, is that it is usually the silver guys (fremium) who are most often the abusive ones with the "Multi" name-calling, and they are harassing premium users. Shouldn't you take care of your paying users? Or at the very minimum, protect them from abusive non-paying users? It truly feels like nobody cares around here. And I mean, I certainly don't care, so I guess we are even. But if this was my website, and people were paying me money to play here, I would ensure that I took the time to care, or that I hired someone and paid them to care.

In addition, I encountered Obi Wan on this site maybe just a few weeks ago, and he was a damn straight up noob! His game-play was wack. I had to explain stupid basic things to him. And I am a noob!! He has certainly improved, as being 2nd on the Most Improved list indicates. We learned many maps together, France, Germany, other stupid maps that I hated. Now we have started a team, and we have won our first 2 team games! It is evident to each other that we are both team noobs.

As far as the comments about regarding the Antarctica map, Obi Wan and I learned that map together, we were both noobs, on no spoils and fog settings. I hated it. I do not like fog. And I like spoils.

You can have as many Antarctica map games open as you want. If you had 49 Antartica games open that is fine. You are a gold premium user, you can have 500 active games if you want. I mean, the very fact that someone has that many games open on 1 map is a sure sign that they are a damn noob! More proof. I certainly wouldn't want to be the fool accusing someone who is clearly a noob of being a multi! Look at me, I regularly have 100 waiting games, and 100-200-300-500+ active games. A sure sign of a noob!

I know for a FACT that I am NOT a multi. And Obi Wan is being harassed for the EAXCT same reasons I was. Basically it all just spiraling out of jealousy. There are a few users who have FOED me just because I spanked them when I had a ? Rank. In fact, I got spanked by a ? Rank just the other day. Better than getting beat by a cook I guess. But I did not feel the need to start with the multi name-calling. We re-matched instead.

As far as Obi Wan, his gameplay and questions when he was a noob lead to to believe that he is not a multi either. I mean it is possible. But, I would wager a cool 10 grand that Obi Wan is not a multi. Seems like easy money to me.

Obi Wan - I will take out the trash in this thread here for you. No need to worry.

Hopefully I get this quoting thing right, I am not a forum guy.
EDIT: Didn't get the quoting right haha! Another sure sign of a noob!

Donelladan wrote:@zeus, I don't think you should be asking people to show their ID. No one needs to show an ID to play CC.

I have no problems providing government photo identification. I can also provide my receipts and/or screenshots where I have made payments to Conquer Club for my premium membership and gold star coins purchases.

Donelladan wrote:PM'ing high ranked player seems odd though.

No it doesn't. In fact, it stems from a few weeks back, I noticed Obi Wan was #2 on the Most Improved leaderboard, and I mentioned it to him, he had no idea. He was happy! I mentioned to him he should play higher ranked users instead of lower ranked users to get into #1. I guess that is what he has done, and now he is being accused of being a multi!

Donelladan wrote:He does seems like he is learning pretty fast for a new players, but I doubt he is PAP, or he is doing a good job at pretending imho.

One more point. - "New players" and clicking a mouse.

This isn't rocket science. It is not hard to win a game that is modeled after a world famous Hasbro game. A game that people know. A game that is inherently extremely simple. It should not be surprising to anybody, that a game with alcoholic dice god odds, that a "new player" has a fair chance of winning.

I guess there is a subpoint. That there are more than a dozen similar websites on the internet. Like exactly the same thing, just different maps. So a "new player" here may not be a "new player" in the sense of click clicking a mouse and dice odds.

We aren't talking about any complex maps here.

In addition, that poly link game you provided, clearly shows a noob

I was accused of being mult before. I rose quick.

My opinion is that this is not a mult. I've only played 3 games of eurasia 1 v 1 unlimited sunny flat rate against him. So its limited knowledge.

I won 2. Lost 1. I dont find it suspicious personally. The map is very easy to win with first turn, and deploying 10 troops and a strong first turn. etc

Of the 3 games, I think I should only have won the 1 game. The 2 other games that he went first he should have won.

No offense to obi wan, but he misplayed quite heavily in the 2nd game that I won, he should have won. The forting was bad. The attacks were bad. The forts on unlimited forts were incomplete.

Unless he just purposely let me hold a bonus for 5 rounds... I dunno. He left 1s around that easily should have been 2s. He held 2-3 bonuses and when defending instead of defending inside the bonus so your attack route was 1, 1, 1, 2 6 *6 in the bonus. He deploy 4, 2, 2, 1, 1 so that 4 was in front of the territory he thought id attack from, and left his entire bonus 1's. Leaving me alternate territories to use as my base, and instead i had an attack route of 3 neutral, 3 neutral, 1 1 inside the bonus.

So unless he's faking bad strategy in some of the games.. which seems a little doubtful to me. He doesn't know a bunch. But again, I only have knowledge of eurasia games.

I had kazhakastan on eurasia in a losing game for liek 6 rounds. if he had just to broke it on any number of times, I probably would have lost.

Doesn't feel like a mult. But if hes winning on more complex maps.... no offense obi wan, but I dunno can be possibly just find it unlikely.

Ha, when I first joined the site I was so bad in some ways now that I think of it... but I kept a strong win rate after first couple hundred games. Even in the beginning I feel I got my fair share bit of wins. But I've played and own majority of real life risk games. But the real life risk games and online risk dont really compare for skill. There is no fog setting in reallife. And on cc there are no action/event cards like in real life board games risk.

At best could keep a watch on this... but I dunno. Seems ok.

Donelladan wrote:@zeus, I don't think you should be asking people to show their ID. No one needs to show an ID to play CC.

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=19591286

Accused didn't play this at all as he should have. He definitely didn't know how to play antartica poly(4) esca.

All his other antartica game are 1vs1 no spoils which wasn't a setting PAP was playing a lot.

He does seems like he is learning pretty fast for a new players, but I doubt he is PAP, or he is doing a good job at pretending imho.

PM'ing high ranked player seems odd though.

lol not me the i d would be shown to . site may have too start asking for it tho

iAmCaffeine wrote:Watch him comment here because he knows to check.

He commented here because a link was provided to him on his wall.

random21 wrote:So unless he's faking bad strategy in some of the games.. which seems a little doubtful to me.

Yes seems very doubtful that someone who is #2 on the Most Improved, who is trying to get to #1, would intentionally lose games.

But it does seem logical, that someone who is #2 on the Most Improved, who is trying to get to #1, would intentionally try to play against higher ranked players than lower ranked players, because they lose less points when they lose, and they gain more points when they win. Especially, immediately after I had told him this!!!

Assumption: I assume here that someone in a #2 position would be trying to get to #1, because that is the way the world that I know works. I in no way imply that Obi Wan wants to get to #1.

Imagine taking the time to write all these useless posts which have zero impact on the official investigation or outcome.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Imagine taking the time to write all these useless posts which have zero impact on the official investigation or outcome.

some times we do give some good info to help but see your point this ones either it is paul or it isnt .

I find the antarctica ones more suspicious than the eurasia is all im saying.

Is antarctica hard for a new player to grasp? Did he do very well at it?

I never bothered to play it really. If it's just a stacking game those don't interest me for 1 round of attacking i dunno.

Doesn't sound complicated unless the pathing is.

If they find its paul, then so it goes. Are we saying no one can ever win on antarctica who joins the site new?

Let them do the job I agree. They did same with me. And I had no objections. Obi wan doesn't need to fight this. Just like I didn't if there is nothing to it.

Looking more at is games this is an edit... yes it is lots of antarctica. So let the matter be resolved and take a look. Even my side is perked. But if he's cleared he cleared. It isn't obvious either way.

iAmCaffeine wrote:Imagine taking the time to write all these useless posts which have zero impact on the official investigation or outcome.

Imagine being the fool to call out an obvious noob as a multi.

YukFoo wrote:Imagine being the fool to call out an obvious noob as a multi.

Imagine being so obviously invested in defending a noob... unless YOU are one of the multis.

Irrumare wrote:

YukFoo wrote:Imagine being the fool to call out an obvious noob as a multi.

Imagine being so obviously invested in defending a noob... unless YOU are one of the multis.

ill say it i have long suspected yukfoo as a multi as many do here but have not posted it for a few reasons . mainly i cant quite pair the account . i suspect two possibilities vale _able or europeanson as his other account . if i cant prove it i wont post it to have him cleared . for now will settle on just knowing yukfoo is not new to site . no other newbie i can recall logs on plays 2000 games in a month wins a xmas challenge ect . i guess he would show id for the yukfoo account as no id was provided in the past , anyways best of luck all enjoy your day

zeus111

random21 wrote:I find the antarctica ones more suspicious than the eurasia is all im saying.

Is antarctica hard for a new player to grasp? Did he do very well at it?

I never bothered to play it really. If it's just a stacking game those don't interest me for 1 round of attacking i dunno.

Doesn't sound complicated unless the pathing is.

If they find its paul, then so it goes. Are we saying no one can ever win on antarctica who joins the site new?

Let them do the job I agree. They did same with me. And I had no objections. Obi wan doesn't need to fight this. Just like I didn't if there is nothing to it.

Looking more at is games this is an edit... yes it is lots of antarctica. So let the matter be resolved and take a look. Even my side is perked. But if he's cleared he cleared. It isn't obvious either way.

if the obi wan account is using a vpn they cant pair him with the paulatpeace account . all they can do is look at paul s methods like the map s the settings the sending pm s to high ranking players ect as is the case here he joins . maps really do raise suspicion s here sending players like your self invites almost targeting the higher ranks . paul didnt achieve general rank because he was bad player im with the op on this one .i really think it is him just to many similarities to the main paulatpeace account .very curious to see the out come!!

Irrumare wrote:

YukFoo wrote:Imagine being the fool to call out an obvious noob as a multi.

Imagine being so obviously invested in defending a noob... unless YOU are one of the multis.

HAHA you foed me when I was a ? Rank because I spanked your B I azz!

2000 games, highest rank captain. Yeah if you’re a multi, you’re shit anyway lol