MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

[Huguenots]

hi every one filling in for Lt. Mustard

[sully800]

Red lets put it this way seeing as how our real cop has been killed. Why did you claim cop?

FOS Senfive

Red bull claimed to be a cop early on yesterday, saying that he had investigated Fircoal who was an important townie. In the same fiasco puff claimed to be a doctor. Well of course Puff turned out to be an insane doctor and Red Bull's claims of cop weren't legitmized until mach tested him and he correctly recognized Fircoal's role as well. I don't think you can ever trust anyone more than Fircoal or Red Bull right now. Through mach's death we know that he was telling the truth for sure....which proves that Red Bull is a sane cop...which consequently proves that Fircoal is a doctor (sane or insane is uknown, but most likely sane).

If Senfive is still trying to make Red Bull suspicious it appears rather scummy to me. Red Bull claimed long before Mach, another cop, died.

Senfive, you (and sully) still Fos'ing me?

Andy- I'm suspicious of you, yes...but not much more than anyone else now. I guess a better word would be wary.

Here's a question though- what are we going to do about the replacements? Geegel has said he needs to read through the thread and catch up, but that will take some time and we still won't have much of a read on him for a while. The other replacement, Huguenots, has said he doesn't want to participate.

but this is only the 2nd mid-day death, correct? so maybe it's an every-other-day vigilante?

Yes, it was the second mid-day death, but puff was killed right at the end of day 2. So we've had 3 distinct day deaths, and then the additional one of mach/autoload since they were attached. I don't know why Puff's death was at the end of the day instead of in the middle but I think they are related.

[AndyDufresne]

Senfive has been acting weird, I give you that. But go read some of the early posts of his, he did leave a clue, but perhaps it may not be valid, if he is Vanilla Mafia...


--Andy

[sully800]

Senfive has been acting weird, I give you that. But go read some of the early posts of his, he did leave a clue, but perhaps it may not be valid, if he is Vanilla Mafia...


--Andy

Oh wow, I think I just found what you are referring to....in his first long post correct?

[sully800]

Another interesting thing about Senfive though from his first post of substance-

so therefore I am going to SFOS Fircoal and Machiavelli and Houssam and Master Bush

Fircoal- Confirmed by a cop as a doctor
Mach- Confirmed cop
Master Bush- Confirmed cop
Houssam- Unknown

So in that post he targeted 2 people who we know were townie power roles, one who we are pretty sure is a power role....and houssam who I am unsure of. Perhaps that is all just dumb luck, but the people he was suspicious of were all important townies. Then again it was early so no one had a lot to go on.

[sully800]

all very interesting Andy. Let's see what Marv has to say...

I just got a PM from Painbrain saying that he is babysitting Marvaddin's account. I don't know for how long of a time but that explains why Marv hasn't been posting in here lately.

[Fircoal]

all very interesting Andy. Let's see what Marv has to say...

I just got a PM from Painbrain saying that he is babysitting Marvaddin's account. I don't know for how long of a time but that explains why Marv hasn't been posting in here lately.

Oh yeah, remember someone posted that he'd be away.

[autoload]

Bah!

If I died by lynch or night kill that would have been fine. To die like this... I feel violated.

Good game.

[AndyDufresne]

Hi, AK.

Can you please warn people in the mafia game I wont post next days because Im going for a trip? I would do that myself, but the thread is closed.

Thanks.
Marv

Yes, forgot about that. Few days eh? :-\


--Andy

[reverend_kyle]

Red Bull cleared Mach (Pro-Town Dead)

Mach (Unlocked) nailed Autoload (Vanilla Mafia Dead)

Red Bull cleared Fircoal (Pro-Town Alive)

Master Bush didn't finger anyone, but I think I know who he investigated.


--Andy

lol, poor guy.

[sully800]

RK- Please, post something of substance for once!

You check this thread all the time, post little quips every now and then, but you never seem to participate in the topic at hand. This has been brought up a few times previously, specifically regarding you, and you have ignored it and continued to post nothing substantial.

[Senfive]

Another interesting thing about Senfive though from his first post of substance-

so therefore I am going to SFOS Fircoal and Machiavelli and Houssam and Master Bush

Fircoal- Confirmed by a cop as a doctor
Mach- Confirmed cop
Master Bush- Confirmed cop
Houssam- Unknown

So in that post he targeted 2 people who we know were townie power roles, one who we are pretty sure is a power role....and houssam who I am unsure of. Perhaps that is all just dumb luck, but the people he was suspicious of were all important townies. Then again it was early so no one had a lot to go on.

You are correct about that but they weren't confirmed at the time of the post. also I wasn't all caught up in the whirlwind of posts that happened as the vote for Auto was taking place and the day death scene occured.

I am currently waiting to hear from the replacements of the non posters before I come to any conclusions from now on.

[reverend_kyle]

Well, ok, I really do think that Andy's logic revolving marvaddin seems sound, however I do not for some reason believe marvaddin to be mafia, and senfive trying to finger many power roles does strike me as odd, and I believe to the point of fos senfive

[AK_iceman]

Vote Count

• [16] Not Voting, Everyone Else

9 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch


Day Deadline: 20 Feb 2007 7:56 PM GMT.

[Senfive]

Well, ok, I really do think that Andy's logic revolving marvaddin seems sound, however I do not for some reason believe marvaddin to be mafia, and senfive trying to finger many power roles does strike me as odd, and I believe to the point of fos senfive

Yet you say nothing of us losing a Cop for a Mafia? I for one trusted machs instints from every game I have been in cause he catches things I don't. Who have I actually ever posted substance on, and been right about it? Yet people usually reluctently go with me cause no one else wants to stick there night out there for the good of the town. Have you ever seen a Mafia Goon Shine in the Spot Light? (Not counting Wicked. ) It doesn't happen very often. Also when I am mafia you know it cause I don't try so hard to look for the mafia. Also with so many pages between the first time Rojo posted and puff claimed and all I missed alot of substance. So lynch me. I honestly don't care. Town is going to win this so I win lynched or not.

[Senfive]

Oh forgot.

Vote RK

Still no substance and no reaction to any of the day's events. Just goes along with what others have said in the last couple of pages.

[Nyvek]

Sorry for the long posts(2). There is a lot to analyze. There should be some interruptions in some of the quotes: comment:
I wasn't sure how to split large quotes cleanly.

That being said I will

Vote Andy

I also think we should investigate Senfive or Marv.

If the mafia spin doctors try to twist my findings into something suspicious, feel free to investigate me instead, like I suggested on page 30.

Ok, I went over some of the fingering going on so far. Here’s what I came up with. I trust Fircoal and Red Bull completely for obvious reasons. I’m uncomfortable with some of my findings being parallel to Andy’s because I’m rather suspicious of him at the moment. But, as he likes to put it: More on that later.

Well, to me red bull is a noob cop, or a noob mafia... And I would like to discover now, so we could clean or lynch fircoal next. I would surely vote for red bull, but before I will give him the chance to say something.

So, I have decided: I will vote for Fircoal or red bull to clean this doubt. Any of them looks fine to me. What you guys think?

Fircoal, what can you say about yourself or red bull?

As Red Bull has the hunch, it may be better if we lynch Fircoal (according to Puff).

However, Fircoal is more experienced then Red Bull which makes me want to lean toward keeping Fircoal and eliminating Red Bull.

My belief is that red bull is a stupid mafia or a stupid cop, and I think we should lynch him to find out which, so that we can clear Fircoal. If he turns out to be mafia, there's two more dead right there. I think it's worth the risk.
vote red bull

This is horrible logic. Being willing to sacrifice a potential power role to appease curiosity is not pro-town behavior. Mach states it here:

HOLD UP!

FOS DUSSLE

Why would you lynch someone if you think they could be the cop?

We already lost 1 cop, you would risk losing the second?

So, cop, would I put myself under your suspicious doing that? Why dont you investigate me? But all players here have realized as suspicious the way you were defending fircoal, not only me.

Excellent suggestion.

Do we really want to take the chance on losing a potential cop though? I'm of the thought it would be better to lynch Fircoal. Fircoal, what do you have to say about all this???

ok rojo, I'll defer to my fellow townies here, who are believing you. but do me a favor tonight and investigate me, that way you'll satisfy me that you're telling the truth. doc please protect rojo tonight!!!

unvote

I didn't ask. You're the one who came out implying you had info and making everyone suspicious of you. townies don't need to know roles, townies don't need to know who's innocent as much as we need to know who's mafia. so by you claiming on day 2 with no clue who's mafia, you've really screwed us over. cops and docs shouldn't claim unless their in real danger of being lynched.

These 3 posts all tend to have protown sentiment which leads me to trust Wicked at this time.

I will agree with wicked and senfive, that excuse sucked. vote dccowboys even if he is a townie its not like he's helping the town at all, and it will give us a day to collect data. But I'm sure he's mafia.

Apparently not.

i think Houssam is right wicked

Red lets put it this way seeing as how our real cop has been killed. Why did you claim cop?

I agree with Sully on this one. If you don’t realize Red Bull is a sane, protown cop by now, your just not paying attention to the thread.

Senfive is acting abnormaly...... i am going to go though and look at all his post somethings not right

I am an idiot and confused. give me some time to get my bearings.

I agree with Red Bull here. Senfive is usually pretty observant. His posts tend to have many points of interest, and he typically comes off as the “Forum Tyrant.” His response to Red Bull, claiming a confused idiot, is not how I would characterize Senfive.

(2nd post coming up)

[Nyvek]

Ooh, one last thing. I'd like to point out Rev curious about the information I have, as is Sully, and Nyvek...just incase anything happens tonight to me.

Ok Andy, I gotta call bullsh*t on that one. Have you realized how cryptic some of the stuff you’re posting is? Are you trying to confuse people? Because I will be the 1st to admit, yes I’m very curious to know where the scum are. Yes, I have no idea what you’re attempting to convey in your mysterious posts. Am I supposed to just shrug it off and say, “I’m sure Andy knows what he’s talking about. I better just wait for him to rescue us,”? Here’s some you’ve left us to analyze:

Xenhu has played the noob card before, and it turned out he was a noob.

What that all means, of course, I am not sure! Perhaps he is a no longer a noob but still acting like a noob to fly under the radar, or perhaps he still is a noob!

Would you mind at least leaning to 1 side or the other here?

Aww, wicked would miss me! Anyways, regarding Xenhu, when I first started reading about it, I was suspecting it was something carryover from the last game (that or his utternoobness, as I spoke about earlier).

And wicked, you think I might be a mafia threat? Hm, I thought about that also when I signed up, or more specifically, I'd be a target...much like you were first targeted in my last game (though the doc saved you)...and much like Moz was the first target in the previous last game.

One thing to definitely consider, definitely look closely at who dies tonight...is it a more noob person, someone middle of the road, or someone with more esteemed status?

I don't really also have any people on my suspect list. I'll go back through and read things, and get them in my mind a little better. There are a few patterns I'm noticing, which I'll comment on later, just to make sure they are patterns, and aren't just random consistencies.

Regarding the bandwagon, once it gets going, you know people will hop on. It is inevitable. Always good to take note of who does, and who doesn't...or at least reasons for either.

I think those are a couple good tips to look for clues, but you really didn’t take a stand on anything in particular. Almost as if you’re trying to remain Neutral in every situation. At the moment, I couldn’t find any votes by you.

Well, that was unexpected!

Or was it a triggered event?

Hm, perhaps a mid-day death will be a frequent thing, from here on out? To keep the game from going on for months? Or something else? But, best not to get set on an idea...as things aren't always as they appear (I.E. Finn Rock deaths - 0, 1, 2...the next wasn't three, but it looked like it could've been).

Again, the ominous hinting. Don’t get set on an idea? No problem there. Because I have no idea what the idea is in the 1st place.

Hm, I hope I don't get in any cross fire or revenge killing during the night!

Random, I’m a townie post. Who have you killed that would want revenge?

I think I know who Master Bush investigated the first night also. We should take a closer look at his voting record also... [/list]

Being curious, if that’s a bad thing now, Sully did just what you advised:

Alright, looking at all of MB's posts I didn't find a whole lot that stands out.

He voted for wicked, then unvoted her and voted for xenhu. So perhaps he investigated wicked and found her innocent, but I don't think we can prove it with a simple vote/unvote.

I agree, not much here to help.

COMMENT:This being the only lead on MB’s investigation that you’ve released, you state was not much help. Why would you point reference to something that has “not much here to help”? Why not just point Sully to the indicator, if there is in fact one?

He also told fircoal to stop being rude right near the end. I don't think that means anything at all, but if I'm reading red bull's posts correctly he thinks fircoal is innocent, perhaps because MB investigated fircoal? I see no proof of that since their only interaction (that I found) was MB saying "stop being rude fircoal"

I'm almost positive I know who MB investigated...

Almost positive, still not sharing.

I've got to head out for a while, hm, it'll give me some time to think a few things over.

Take as much time as ya need.

I agree with Rev about waiting with the SK.

Also, FOS Red Bull. He's either just a plain noob, or a noob mafia. Take look at his posts...he always seems to be trying to stray us away with some thought...that is rather unbacked up.

COMMENT: “Trying to stray us away with some thought…that is rather unbacked up”, interesting you would mention that.

I've also noticed some interesting little 'alliances' (for lack of a better term) going on...and am I interested in how that acts together.

Regarding me knowing MB's investigation, I'm still sure I know, but I'd like to see some subtle confirmation from the party that it is alright to clarify further. Don't want to be getting anyone killed

Now sure, but a safety issue has intervened.

First, I'd like to start with what I hate...Submarine Players...I.E. under the radar posters:

• Sam Jam, was fishing for info on page 3, though only minor. But hasn't been very active.
  
  COMMENT: Question. You fingered Sam Jam for fishing on page 3. Why didn’t you mention Mach forcing a Roleclaim out of Red Bull? Or bringing up the Doctor after that? If your connected to Autoload, you would have known Mach was in his pocket and wouldn’t do anything against him.
  
  Dcowboys, few posts...latched right on to Xenhu bandwagon on page 5.
  
  Lt. Mustard, just not very active.
  
  Kernal_K, general inactivity, playing the noob card.
  
  Trestain, quick votes on page 8.

Those are the few odd balls that pop out, in regards to activity or lack there of.

Secondly, interesting to note on page 2...supercram butted heads with Fircoal, and even voted. Perhaps it was an elaborate mafia plan (or perhaps they are in opposing mafias, if there are more than one), but something to consider, since Supercram is confirmed Mafia.

Thirdly, Puff's posts strike me as odd...I'm not sure why. Perhaps the general lack of content...and his will follow bandwagon on page 11.

COMMENT: Secondly and Thirdly being 2 doctors.

Fourthly, Marv asks about identities and about fircoal being mason. It's ture we've used that in past games, but at the current moment, there doesn't seem to be a need to reveal such information. Interesting nonetheless.

COMMENT::I agree, forcing roleclaims is definitely not protown strategy. Again, no mention of Mach’s fishing.

There's more I'd like to talk about, but hm, I can't get it all straight.

COMMENT: Np, let us know when’s a good time.

Ooh, one last thing. I'd like to point out Rev curious about the information I have, as is Sully, and Nyvek...just incase anything happens tonight to me.

And then there’s the name drop. Mine included, which of course prompted the post. Please understand I’m not trying to be an ass or spiteful. But if you are really protown, why in the hell would you say something like this?
Unless you honestly think me, RK and Sully are mafia, you’ve just given the mafia a vehicle to frame all 3 of us. Not only is that reckless, it’s manipulative to the other townies. Your statement implies there is something negative about being curious. And let’s not forgot to notate your “fear” of not making it through the night.

Anyways, AK, can we get a TIME DEADLINE? Just to keep things in perspective.

AK, can we get a deadline update?

This one lost me. In all the posts of yours with: I need time to think about it, this looks interesting, I’m not sure, I’ll get back to it later. Now you want to speed up lynching? Why? You’ve requested a deadline on both days and still haven’t voted. What’s wrong with having discussion before coming to a decision? Would you rather we get called with a no lynch? If that happens, only the mafia decide who dies.

I figured someone would think I'm suspicious, and granted I sort of have been. I wanted to post them during the last day, but the deadline was during the afternoon, a time which I am unable to post. So it got pushed off.

The deadline that you requested.

Well jeez, this has all turned the rather boring day into something!

Lets not be too hasty with voting autoload into oblivion just yet.

Ohhhh, now that Autoload’s head is on the chopping block, let’s not be too hasty?

And sully has jumped out me also, he's always asking for information from the people.

Again, implying asking questions is wrong.

Master Bush didn't clear or finger anyone, but I think I know who he investigated.

Well, maybe after the game is over, you can tell us.

[reverend_kyle]

Well, ok, I really do think that Andy's logic revolving marvaddin seems sound, however I do not for some reason believe marvaddin to be mafia, and senfive trying to finger many power roles does strike me as odd, and I believe to the point of fos senfive

Yet you say nothing of us losing a Cop for a Mafia? I for one trusted machs instints from every game I have been in cause he catches things I don't. Who have I actually ever posted substance on, and been right about it? Yet people usually reluctently go with me cause no one else wants to stick there night out there for the good of the town. Have you ever seen a Mafia Goon Shine in the Spot Light? (Not counting Wicked. ) It doesn't happen very often. Also when I am mafia you know it cause I don't try so hard to look for the mafia. Also with so many pages between the first time Rojo posted and puff claimed and all I missed alot of substance. So lynch me. I honestly don't care. Town is going to win this so I win lynched or not.

Yeah, I do say nothing about us losing a cop for a mafia, why? Because it doesnt matter. Well it matters overall in the game, but it also distracts from where I believe the conversation should be. That is catching scum that are ALIVE much like you Senfive, but clearly as scum you would want to focus debate on other stuff and distract from catching scum. I Fos'd you and you hurried with an omgus vote, that with the stuff above makes it clear that I should upgrade to a vote senfive

[Senfive]

Well, ok, I really do think that Andy's logic revolving marvaddin seems sound, however I do not for some reason believe marvaddin to be mafia, and senfive trying to finger many power roles does strike me as odd, and I believe to the point of fos senfive

Yet you say nothing of us losing a Cop for a Mafia? I for one trusted machs instints from every game I have been in cause he catches things I don't. Who have I actually ever posted substance on, and been right about it? Yet people usually reluctently go with me cause no one else wants to stick there night out there for the good of the town. Have you ever seen a Mafia Goon Shine in the Spot Light? (Not counting Wicked. ) It doesn't happen very often. Also when I am mafia you know it cause I don't try so hard to look for the mafia. Also with so many pages between the first time Rojo posted and puff claimed and all I missed alot of substance. So lynch me. I honestly don't care. Town is going to win this so I win lynched or not.

Yeah, I do say nothing about us losing a cop for a mafia, why? Because it doesnt matter. Well it matters overall in the game, but it also distracts from where I believe the conversation should be. That is catching scum that are ALIVE much like you Senfive, but clearly as scum you would want to focus debate on other stuff and distract from catching scum. I Fos'd you and you hurried with an omgus vote, that with the stuff above makes it clear that I should upgrade to a vote senfive

Are you willing to give your life if I am not scum as you put it. Andy has cleared me and so have others yet you continue post little and OMGUS vote me when I voted you to get you to post more. Nuff Said I stand by my vote for sure now.

[Senfive]

WoW Once again he posts nothing original other than I think so and so is correct and posts a vote then leaves. RK isn't helping the town either. I know for a fact I haven't helped either. I have good intentions but always come up short. Like I said Town should have this one in the bag. I will gladly give my life to prove my innocence cause I know, even in death, I and all Townies will be victorious.

[vgmmaster]

As Red Bull has the hunch, it may be better if we lynch Fircoal (according to Puff).

However, Fircoal is more experienced then Red Bull which makes me want to lean toward keeping Fircoal and eliminating Red Bull.

My belief is that red bull is a stupid mafia or a stupid cop, and I think we should lynch him to find out which, so that we can clear Fircoal. If he turns out to be mafia, there's two more dead right there. I think it's worth the risk.
vote red bull

This is horrible logic. Being willing to sacrifice a potential power role to appease curiosity is not pro-town behavior. Mach states it here:

Seeing how we know that Rojo is a cop now, it was a bad idea looking at it. However, nobody knew Fircoal or Rojo's role at the time and nobody had any better ideas (some even agreed to do it). Just remember, I never voted for either one of them. At least, I don't think I did.

For the two latest deathscenes, I have an idea, but let me go back and look at them. I just want to make sure that it may be a correct theory.

[vgmmaster]

With a final kick to his head from red bull, dcowboys, Paige Guthrie AKA Husk (ProTown - "Vanilla Mutant") lay in the common room bloody and beaten to death.

Suddenly they here a scream coming from the graveyard! It was a long scream that was cut short suddenly. They rushed outside and saw Machiavelli, Samuel "Sam" Guthrie AKA Cannonball (Protown -- Cop) hanging by his heels from a tree with his head cut off. There was nobody else in sight. They all turned to Autoload, Elisabeth "Betsy" Braddock AKA Psylocke ("Vanilla Mafia") who was starting to sob, and without hesitation she grabbed a sharp rock and hit herself in the head with it, killing her instantly.

There are two things here that are easily noticeable. First thing that is mentioned is dcowboys (Paige Guthrie) and Machiavelli (Sam Guthrie). They are obviously brother and sister and may be attached by a sibling role.

However, the other thing I noticed is that Mach mentioned that he and Autoload were masons. First thing is, when they both died, their mason half was not released. So, it's possible that there are other unknown/hidden roles as well. Seeing how autoload was being voted upon, perhaps he is a mafia terrorist?

It makes sense. At least, more sense then the sibling role. If dcowboys and Mach were siblings, wouldn't Mach have died during the night?

Regardless though, one thing still makes no sense to me. In the previous day, both Puff and dcowboys were killed. Dcowboys died because of a lynch, but what about Puff? I doubt he was modkilled, but is there a day vigilante? Or even a day serial killer? Personally, I don't think it is a vigilante. In many games (correct me if I'm wrong here), they have a limited amount of kills. Normally one. However, there is the slight possibility that the vigilante can kill every night.

But the possibility that there is a day vigilante who can kil every day, well, while possible, I don't think it exists. I could be wrong though.

[wicked]

I believe IC chose the names randomly and didn't assign roles to match names. I see no connection between cowboy and Mach.

[vgmmaster]

I believe IC chose the names randomly and didn't assign roles to match names. I see no connection between cowboy and Mach.

I don't believe there is a connection either (as far as the sibling role is concerned), as Autoload died as well. I am leaning toward a mafia terrorist or something along those lines.

I only mentioned the sibling thing as there may be a slight possibility of it existing.