GabonX interjects an interesting poll

[Rustovitch]

Two countries go to war purely out of national politics, neither side was the 'good side'. Sure you can come up with lengthy arguments as to who was worse, but we really need to grow up with regards to things like this.

Do you know what the first "W" in WW2 stand for?

America didn't go to war with germany, there was already a war. They just joined in(Obviously they weren't going to join the side that mass killed Jew's and had recently bombed them).

Hmmm... well done... that had almost no relevance to what I posted!

I repeat, WW2 was simply a struggle of national politics, it was not a fight of good against evil.

[Strife]

Two countries go to war purely out of national politics, neither side was the 'good side'. Sure you can come up with lengthy arguments as to who was worse, but we really need to grow up with regards to things like this.

Do you know what the first "W" in WW2 stand for?

America didn't go to war with germany, there was already a war. They just joined in(Obviously they weren't going to join the side that mass killed Jew's and had recently bombed them).

Hmmm... well done... that had almost no relevance to what I posted!

I repeat, WW2 was simply a struggle of national politics, it was not a fight of good against evil.

Hmm... not well done... it was complete relevant to what you posted!

I repeat, it was not two countries going to war purely because of politics, it was a fight against the evil that bombed the U.S. with no cause and it allies. You clearly need to pick up a history book a skim through it if you don't know this, which you clearly don't.

[Rustovitch]

Two countries go to war purely out of national politics, neither side was the 'good side'. Sure you can come up with lengthy arguments as to who was worse, but we really need to grow up with regards to things like this.

Do you know what the first "W" in WW2 stand for?

America didn't go to war with germany, there was already a war. They just joined in(Obviously they weren't going to join the side that mass killed Jew's and had recently bombed them).

Hmmm... well done... that had almost no relevance to what I posted!

I repeat, WW2 was simply a struggle of national politics, it was not a fight of good against evil.

Hmm... not well done... it was complete relevant to what you posted!

I repeat, it was not two countries going to war purely because of politics, it was a fight against the evil that bombed the U.S. with no cause and it allies. You clearly need to pick up a history book a skim through it if you don't know this, which you clearly don't.

An evil bombed the US and its allies without cause... and you ask me to pick up a history book? Pathetic.

[Titanic]

While I agree with your point, I am not sure at all that Americans joined the war because Jews were being killed. Though historians disagree on how much was known when by our leaders, I don't believe anyone really accepted the extent until after the war.

We joined because of Japan and because of Britain, mostly.

Yes, the allies didnt have a clue about the Holocaust until towards the end of the war and the full extent wasn't discovered until all of the camps and records and bodies were discovered. If the USA was ever going to join the war it was going to be on the allies side because like you sai, they had a very close relationship with the UK (especially post WWI), their entry just needed a casus belli which was the attack on Pearl Harbour.

Btw, Rustovich I completely agree with you. WWII was not some philosophical good vs evil battle of the worlds. The fact that the background to WWII is almost as fascinating as the war itself shows the motivations and actions of the countries was not 100% straightforward. Btw, its very hard to call is good vs evil when the allied country which defeated Nazi Germany turned out to be an evil dictatorship.

[Rustovitch]

While I agree with your point, I am not sure at all that Americans joined the war because Jews were being killed. Though historians disagree on how much was known when by our leaders, I don't believe anyone really accepted the extent until after the war.

We joined because of Japan and because of Britain, mostly.

Yes, the allies didnt have a clue about the Holocaust until towards the end of the war and the full extent wasn't discovered until all of the camps and records and bodies were discovered. If the USA was ever going to join the war it was going to be on the allies side because like you sai, they had a very close relationship with the UK (especially post WWI), their entry just needed a casus belli which was the attack on Pearl Harbour.

Btw, Rustovich I completely agree with you. WWII was not some philosophical good vs evil battle of the worlds. The fact that the background to WWII is almost as fascinating as the war itself shows the motivations and actions of the countries was not 100% straightforward. Btw, its very hard to call is good vs evil when the allied country which defeated Nazi Germany turned out to be an evil dictatorship.

Apparently the reports were rejected as simply Jewish propaganda, not even the allied nations were particularly favourable to the Jews.

And thanks!

[Strife]

Two countries go to war purely out of national politics, neither side was the 'good side'. Sure you can come up with lengthy arguments as to who was worse, but we really need to grow up with regards to things like this.

Do you know what the first "W" in WW2 stand for?

America didn't go to war with germany, there was already a war. They just joined in(Obviously they weren't going to join the side that mass killed Jew's and had recently bombed them).

Hmmm... well done... that had almost no relevance to what I posted!

I repeat, WW2 was simply a struggle of national politics, it was not a fight of good against evil.

Hmm... not well done... it was complete relevant to what you posted!

I repeat, it was not two countries going to war purely because of politics, it was a fight against the evil that bombed the U.S. with no cause and it allies. You clearly need to pick up a history book a skim through it if you don't know this, which you clearly don't.

An evil bombed the US and its allies without cause... and you ask me to pick up a history book? Pathetic.

The Japanese were allied with Germany? The Japanese Bombed Pearl Harbor? The U.S. went to war with those who bombed the U.S. and their allies? You're a jackass kid, seriously... pathetic.

[6.57]

Of course they weren't.

Nazis almost saved us from commies while Americans didn't gave a sh*t while half of Europe was gettin' overrun by the red scum.

And it would've been much better to be occupied by nazis then by commies, there's huge difference... the first ones were just noble German soldiers, while the others were just some filthy lowlife thugs, their policies towards occupied territories differed very much, Germans were acting almost chivalrous, while the red sickf*cks just pillaged and raped. And there are countless witnesses to this, each with their fascinating stories, so it's truth i'm telling you, you can verify it easily.

So that's a pity Americans were such cowards at the end, unable to defeat the red scourge, letting so many nations suffer because of it...

Seimgall.

What you must realise, when attempting to enter the only place where the western-socialists such as 17 year old boys in 6th form school in england, or little jewish boys in america who are 16, is that they prefer to fall in line with the socialist and 'free world' intentions that exist within the socialists psyche.

Theses poor, testosterone-inadequate boys hear of 'equality', 'an end to this evil capitalist world', from old, liberal men who scoure the internet looking for vulnerable little boys.

Communism, in my mind, is as vulgar as paedopillia.. denying the rights of a young person to grow and live their full potential, they are being manipulated from an early age to undertake certain burdens that a child simply shouldnt do.

Compared to Stalin, Hitler was a centrist.

[PLAYER57832]

Of course they weren't.

Nazis almost saved us from commies while Americans didn't gave a sh*t while half of Europe was gettin' overrun by the red scum.

And it would've been much better to be occupied by nazis then by commies, there's huge difference... the first ones were just noble German soldiers, while the others were just some filthy lowlife thugs, their policies towards occupied territories differed very much, Germans were acting almost chivalrous, while the red sickf*cks just pillaged and raped. And there are countless witnesses to this, each with their fascinating stories, so it's truth i'm telling you, you can verify it easily.

So that's a pity Americans were such cowards at the end, unable to defeat the red scourge, letting so many nations suffer because of it...

Seimgall.

What you must realise, when attempting to enter the only place where the western-socialists such as 17 year old boys in 6th form school in england, or little jewish boys in america who are 16, is that they prefer to fall in line with the socialist and 'free world' intentions that exist within the socialists psyche.

Theses poor, testosterone-inadequate boys hear of 'equality', 'an end to this evil capitalist world', from old, liberal men who scoure the internet looking for vulnerable little boys.

Communism, in my mind, is as vulgar as paedopillia.. denying the rights of a young person to grow and live their full potential, they are being manipulated from an early age to undertake certain burdens that a child simply shouldnt do.

Compared to Stalin, Hitler was a centrist.

As was said before, the comparison was between Germany and the US, not Russia or the Soviet Union or Stalin.

[Woodruff]

Two countries go to war purely out of national politics, neither side was the 'good side'. Sure you can come up with lengthy arguments as to who was worse, but we really need to grow up with regards to things like this.

Do you know what the first "W" in WW2 stand for?

America didn't go to war with germany, there was already a war. They just joined in(Obviously they weren't going to join the side that mass killed Jew's and had recently bombed them).

While I agree with your point, I am not sure at all that Americans joined the war because Jews were being killed. Though historians disagree on how much was known when by our leaders, I don't believe anyone really accepted the extent until after the war.

We joined because of Japan and because of Britain, mostly.

And the bastards kept sinking our bloody "neutral" transports! How dare they!

Btw, its very hard to call is good vs evil when the allied country which defeated Nazi Germany turned out to be an evil dictatorship.

But they were OUR evil dictatorship. <chuckle>

[Rustovitch]

The Japanese were allied with Germany? The Japanese Bombed Pearl Harbor? The U.S. went to war with those who bombed the U.S. and their allies? You're a jackass kid, seriously... pathetic.

Why are you asking me these questions? You presume to know history.
You have failed to substantiate your idiotic claim and now you are desperatly and dishonestly wriggling your way out of it. Get an education.

[Strife]

The Japanese were allied with Germany? The Japanese Bombed Pearl Harbor? The U.S. went to war with those who bombed the U.S. and their allies? You're a jackass kid, seriously... pathetic.

Why are you asking me these questions? You presume to know history.
You have failed to substantiate your idiotic claim and now you are desperatly and dishonestly wriggling your way out of it. Get an education.

You're an idiot, blatantly. Get an education kiddo.

[Rustovitch]

Hush child.

[Frigidus]

Hush child.

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

[Rustovitch]

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

Neither was he right that the axis were without cause.

[PLAYER57832]

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

Neither was he right that the axis were without cause.

Sure, there was plenty of "cause" to kill millions of Jews, hudreds of thousands of gypsies, Roman Catholics and various others the Nazis regime considered "undesirable" or "threatening". And sure, if you are convinced of your moral superiority, that is "justification" to take over your neighbors, ally with other known totaliarain regimes (even if they don't quite fit your "master race" view -- a small detail to fix later). All it takes is some poor economic times, some bad luck and enough thugs willing to work together for that "wonderful cause" and "tada" you have a war!

Per the soviet.... Allying with them was expedient, but we definatly let most of Eastern Europe fall down. We sent air lifts to Berlin, but Hungary, etc ... were apparently not important enough to bother with.

On the other side, anyone who studies history will tell you that the Balkans, etc have bee mired in disputes for a couple of thousand years at least. Had we involved ourselves back then, right after the end of the war, it is quite possible we would have wound up with an even worse mess than they have today. Ironically, maybe it did take the forceful hand of the Soviets to make everyone live together.... at least for a time. I am not really saying it was all justified, just that we cannot rewrite history and who knows if different tracks really and truly would have meant a better overall outcome.

[Titanic]

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

Neither was he right that the axis were without cause.

Sure, there was plenty of "cause" to kill millions of Jews, hudreds of thousands of gypsies, Roman Catholics and various others the Nazis regime considered "undesirable" or "threatening". And sure, if you are convinced of your moral superiority, that is "justification" to take over your neighbors, ally with other known totaliarain regimes (even if they don't quite fit your "master race" view -- a small detail to fix later). All it takes is some poor economic times, some bad luck and enough thugs willing to work together for that "wonderful cause" and "tada" you have a war!

Per the soviet.... Allying with them was expedient, but we definatly let most of Eastern Europe fall down. We sent air lifts to Berlin, but Hungary, etc ... were apparently not important enough to bother with.

On the other side, anyone who studies history will tell you that the Balkans, etc have bee mired in disputes for a couple of thousand years at least. Had we involved ourselves back then, right after the end of the war, it is quite possible we would have wound up with an even worse mess than they have today. Ironically, maybe it did take the forceful hand of the Soviets to make everyone live together.... at least for a time. I am not really saying it was all justified, just that we cannot rewrite history and who knows if different tracks really and truly would have meant a better overall outcome.

The holocaust and hatred of "lesser races" was not the reason why WWII happened, it was merely a byproduct of the war and a way for the Nazi leadership to unite the German population. Also, your explanations of some poor economic times, some bad luck and enough thugs willing to work together for that "wonderful cause"" is a severe simplification of the real reasons behind the war. Might want to throw in WWI, the Treaty of Versailles, hyperinflation, nationalism, threat of communist, Spanish civil war, fascism in Italy etc..

On the Eastern Europe bit, it would have been impossible to save E.Europe once we allied the USSR. We airlifted to Berlin becase 3 our of the 4 zones in Berlin were owned by the allies, but we didnt own any territory in Eastern Europe and to airlift there would be an interference in Soviet affairs. The only time that attacking the USSR was feasable was immediately after WWII, but as Napoleon and Hitler proved, its harder then it looks to defeat Russia.

O and btw, the Balkans was mired in disputes fore 2000 years? The whole of Europe had been in war for 2000 years upto the end of WWII, not just one specific region. I agree that the Soviet domination did make the Balkans more peaceful, as can be seen by the Yugoslav Wars in the 90's, but nowadays the reion is fairly peaceful and prosperous.

[Strife]

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

Neither was he right that the axis were without cause.

You're a jackass. Straight, you can't deny it, jackass. The only reason the Japanese attacked the U.S. is because they were worried that they may interfere and that they might have problems later, so they decided to attack and destroy the navy in the pacific. So America would not get in the way of Japans conquest of the Pacific Islands and southern east Asia. A surprise, unprovoked attack is definitely without cause. Seriously, just admit you're wrong and stop crying about it little girl. You just can't live with you spewing random bullshit and then "bam!" someone catches you. you can't escape you lie out some more crap, then you attempt to justify your retardation. Well I'm sorry Mr. Irtehsmartestser that doesn't fly around here.

[Rustovitch]

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

Neither was he right that the axis were without cause.

You're a jackass. Straight, you can't deny it, jackass. The only reason the Japanese attacked the U.S.

Oh... so there was a reason why the Japanese attacked the US then?

I see, so we can clarify that you were wrong. I mean lets not let your tantrum get in the way of the facts shall we?

so they decided to attack and destroy the navy in the pacific. So America would not get in the way of Japans conquest of the Pacific Islands and southern east Asia.

As I am a jackass I am wondering if anyone can help me out here, only the above sounds a little bit like politics to me?

It's almost as if WW2 might of somehow had something to do with the struggle of international power politics?

Oh wait a minute... isn't that basically what I orginally said?

[Strife]

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

Neither was he right that the axis were without cause.

You're a jackass. Straight, you can't deny it, jackass. The only reason the Japanese attacked the U.S.

Oh... so there was a reason why the Japanese attacked the US then?

I see, so we can clarify that you were wrong. I mean lets not let your tantrum get in the way of the facts shall we?

so they decided to attack and destroy the navy in the pacific. So America would not get in the way of Japans conquest of the Pacific Islands and southern east Asia.

As I am a jackass I am wondering if anyone can help me out here, only the above sounds a little bit like politics to me?

It's almost as if WW2 might of somehow had something to do with the struggle of international power politics?

Oh wait a minute... isn't that basically what I orginally said?

The American's showed no sign of joining in the war, Japan seriously had no reason to attack other than schizophrenic-suspicion. The war wasn't about political powers, it was about doing what was right to them and stopping Hitler from controlling Europe. America got back at Japan and helped out G.B. If you seriously are that ignorant to not understand what I have said for the past few post you need some better schooling. You seem to be completely obsessed with political wars so why don't you start with the Cold War. Dumb dumb dumb... it's okay though, you only embarrassed yourself a little. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for getting over your hissy fit and understanding.

Thanks, champ!

[PLAYER57832]

Of course the fight wasn't about good vs. evil, but it doesn't mean that one side wasn't evil.

Neither was he right that the axis were without cause.

Sure, there was plenty of "cause" to kill millions of Jews, hudreds of thousands of gypsies, Roman Catholics and various others the Nazis regime considered "undesirable" or "threatening". And sure, if you are convinced of your moral superiority, that is "justification" to take over your neighbors, ally with other known totaliarain regimes (even if they don't quite fit your "master race" view -- a small detail to fix later). All it takes is some poor economic times, some bad luck and enough thugs willing to work together for that "wonderful cause" and "tada" you have a war!

Per the soviet.... Allying with them was expedient, but we definatly let most of Eastern Europe fall down. We sent air lifts to Berlin, but Hungary, etc ... were apparently not important enough to bother with.

On the other side, anyone who studies history will tell you that the Balkans, etc have bee mired in disputes for a couple of thousand years at least. Had we involved ourselves back then, right after the end of the war, it is quite possible we would have wound up with an even worse mess than they have today. Ironically, maybe it did take the forceful hand of the Soviets to make everyone live together.... at least for a time. I am not really saying it was all justified, just that we cannot rewrite history and who knows if different tracks really and truly would have meant a better overall outcome.

The holocaust and hatred of "lesser races" was not the reason why WWII happened, it was merely a byproduct of the war and a way for the Nazi leadership to unite the German population. Also, your explanations of some poor economic times, some bad luck and enough thugs willing to work together for that "wonderful cause"" is a severe simplification of the real reasons behind the war. Might want to throw in WWI, the Treaty of Versailles, hyperinflation, nationalism, threat of communist, Spanish civil war, fascism in Italy etc..

On the Eastern Europe bit, it would have been impossible to save E.Europe once we allied the USSR. We airlifted to Berlin becase 3 our of the 4 zones in Berlin were owned by the allies, but we didnt own any territory in Eastern Europe and to airlift there would be an interference in Soviet affairs. The only time that attacking the USSR was feasable was immediately after WWII, but as Napoleon and Hitler proved, its harder then it looks to defeat Russia.

O and btw, the Balkans was mired in disputes fore 2000 years? The whole of Europe had been in war for 2000 years upto the end of WWII, not just one specific region. I agree that the Soviet domination did make the Balkans more peaceful, as can be seen by the Yugoslav Wars in the 90's, but nowadays the reion is fairly peaceful and prosperous.

Yes, well, I was exaggerating in my sarcasm. I simplified a whole bunch of events into "economic times and thugs" for sure. My main point, though, is that you can always find "justification" for actions if you want. They make perfect sense at the time, but then history looks back and, more often than not, its all "nothing" really.

Hitler's and Japan's aggression do set them apart. They set them apart because, regardless of "justifications", up until the first bullet flies, up until the pronouncement of war, other options exist. Once you declare war, ALL options are very, very limited for everyone.

As for the last, though, I would hardly call the Balkans "peaceful and prosperous" now. They are recovering, but things are still pretty bad.

[PLAYER57832]

The American's showed no sign of joining in the war, Japan seriously had no reason to attack other than schizophrenic-suspicion. The war wasn't about political powers, it was about doing what was right to them and stopping Hitler from controlling Europe. America got back at Japan and helped out G.B. If you seriously are that ignorant to not understand what I have said for the past few post you need some better schooling. You seem to be completely obsessed with political wars so why don't you start with the Cold War. Dumb dumb dumb... it's okay though, you only embarrassed yourself a little. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for getting over your hissy fit and understanding.

Thanks, champ!

I don't think it was so much parania as a firm belief in their superiority and destiny to rule the world. Remember, at the time, their Emperor was GOD.

As for us attacking them.. true, there were no plans. Perhaps there should have been, given what was happening in China, but back then those were largely just "strange countries with funny faces" as far as most Americans were concerned, including our leadership (to a point -- our leaders certainly recognized their power and trade potential).

[Strife]

The American's showed no sign of joining in the war, Japan seriously had no reason to attack other than schizophrenic-suspicion. The war wasn't about political powers, it was about doing what was right to them and stopping Hitler from controlling Europe. America got back at Japan and helped out G.B. If you seriously are that ignorant to not understand what I have said for the past few post you need some better schooling. You seem to be completely obsessed with political wars so why don't you start with the Cold War. Dumb dumb dumb... it's okay though, you only embarrassed yourself a little. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for getting over your hissy fit and understanding.

Thanks, champ!

I don't think it was so much parania as a firm belief in their superiority and destiny to rule the world. Remember, at the time, their Emperor was GOD.

As for us attacking them.. true, there were no plans. Perhaps there should have been, given what was happening in China, but back then those were largely just "strange countries with funny faces" as far as most Americans were concerned, including our leadership (to a point -- our leaders certainly recognized their power and trade potential).

Yes, they probably figured, "We are superior and God(the emperor) will lead us to victory." Japan was stupid enough to attack the residing Americans and fight a war on two fronts, I honestly can't believe that they thought that they had even a remote chance if they still had navy around China and Australia and didn't focus on one "enemy." I guess the axis powers had a thing about fighting on two fronts. That proved rather unsuccessful though.

[Rustovitch]

The American's showed no sign of joining in the war, Japan seriously had no reason to attack other than schizophrenic-suspicion.

So again you are arguing against yourself?

The war wasn't about political powers, it was about doing what was right to them and stopping Hitler from controlling Europe.

So let me get this straight, you do not understand how preventing Hitler from controlling Europe relates in any way to political power or international politics?

America got back at Japan and helped out G.B. If you seriously are that ignorant to not understand what I have said for the past few post you need some better schooling.

I have understood exactly what you said, I have argued you were wrong. You have argued that you were wrong. Did you ever actually go to school?

You seem to be completely obsessed with political wars

Yes I mention one political war in a discussion about that political war... that really is obsession sure.

so why don't you start with the Cold War. Dumb dumb dumb... it's okay though, you only embarrassed yourself a little. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for getting over your hissy fit and understanding.

Thanks, champ!

I made a reasonable factual remark, you replied with anger and stupidty. You have been increasingly angry, even whilst contradicting yourself. I rather think the hissy fit was yours.

Here is a little suggestion for the future, if you are going to troll around the internet, lording it over others with presumed historical knowledge you may want to actually read a book.

Or better yet get an actual life.

But do not make an utterly ignorant, laughably stupid statement, then refuse to stand by it, contradict yourself and stamp your little booties whilst thinking you can condescend to me.

Unless you can grow a brain and a spine and admit you were wrong I don't want to hear another peep out of you.

Kids, this is why you stay in school.

[Rustovitch]

I don't think it was so much parania as a firm belief in their superiority and destiny to rule the world. Remember, at the time, their Emperor was GOD.

As for us attacking them.. true, there were no plans. Perhaps there should have been, given what was happening in China, but back then those were largely just "strange countries with funny faces" as far as most Americans were concerned, including our leadership (to a point -- our leaders certainly recognized their power and trade potential).

Well to be fair America and others did recognise Japan's 'right' to interfere in China and had done so since at least the Boxers.

[Strife]

The American's showed no sign of joining in the war, Japan seriously had no reason to attack other than schizophrenic-suspicion.

So again you are arguing against yourself?

The war wasn't about political powers, it was about doing what was right to them and stopping Hitler from controlling Europe.

So let me get this straight, you do not understand how preventing Hitler from controlling Europe relates in any way to political power or international politics?

America got back at Japan and helped out G.B. If you seriously are that ignorant to not understand what I have said for the past few post you need some better schooling.

I have understood exactly what you said, I have argued you were wrong. You have argued that you were wrong. Did you ever actually go to school?

You seem to be completely obsessed with political wars

Yes I mention one political war in a discussion about that political war... that really is obsession sure.

so why don't you start with the Cold War. Dumb dumb dumb... it's okay though, you only embarrassed yourself a little. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for getting over your hissy fit and understanding.

Thanks, champ!

I made a reasonable factual remark, you replied with anger and stupidty. You have been increasingly angry, even whilst contradicting yourself. I rather think the hissy fit was yours.

Here is a little suggestion for the future, if you are going to troll around the internet, lording it over others with presumed historical knowledge you may want to actually read a book.

Or better yet get an actual life.

But do not make an utterly ignorant, laughably stupid statement, then refuse to stand by it, contradict yourself and stamp your little booties whilst thinking you can condescend to me.

Unless you can grow a brain and a spine and admit you were wrong I don't want to hear another peep out of you.

Kids, this is why you stay in school.

Stop crying about it, you know you're wrong and just can't' live with it. You clearly have no understanding of basic English, it's rather sad really. I do pity you, I truly do. Thou art upset and hast been upset, but alas, 'twill all be alright as you can go back to school. Learn my little friend, learn! For community college is the way to go for your sad feeble mind. I have stood by everything I said, you are clearly just too ignorant to understand this situation. You have got increasingly upset and gone off the topic at question and have been avoiding proving any of this "politic war power" and have yet proven anything at all actually. Only that you are an immature brat intent on being right and you will continue to cry and yell about being wrong. All you have done is make up a bunch of mumbo-jumbo and stamp "rusted approved fact!(Disclaimer, anything with this stamp is a retarded statement made from anger and thus should not be taken seriously)" and of course none of us believe you, because of your lies. You must understand that being a bitch to your own statement and not even being able to provide anything worth reading makes you look worse and worse, the only question left to ask is: "How low can you go?" I have single handedly proven you are wrong, several other posters have claimed that you were wrong, yet you still don't comply. So, for your own sake of savior, you can continue to tell yourself you're right, we don't care. Just try not to slide it off as "factual."

In all sincerity, please consider reading up, ask an adult, or even use google. I'm serious buddy. Remember to keep "safe-search" on. Go to school my friend, it's not too late for you. You can become of moderate intelligence. You can do it, you can do it! Come on now, chant with me, it will help your low self-esteem. It will rid you of your need to always be right and will allow you to accept the reality that not everything is a "politic war power."

Remember children are our future, you gotta stay in school.