swedish couple conceals child's biological sex from world

[Neoteny]

By moving them with your mind!

[SultanOfSurreal]

gabon's post is the kind of retarded bullshit we get when people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about decide they're experts on human behavior

The pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

The fact is that the consensus up to a point indicated that homosexuality was a psychological condition and this data was thrown out for political reasons. The fact that people reject the idea without giving it any kind of rational consideration is indicative of the fact that the science on this topic is skewed.

What about people who are attracted to animals? Is this a psychological condition or are there actually people out there who are genetically inclined to f*ck fish?

there is a difference between homosexual behavior and homosexuality, almost every "prison gay" person self-identifies as straight and remains attracted to women

It demonstrates empirically that circumstance can cause people to resort to homosexuality. In prison you have a number of alpha males who are used to having sex with women who no longer have access to women and compensate for this with homosexual behavior.

Beta males who can not reach women and carry on a normal sexual relationship in the outside world are known to resort to homosexuality because they get frustrated at their lack success. They convince themselves that they were born gay and use this to rationalize their failure with women.

This isn't the only cause of homosexuality but it is a big one.

People have an emotional reaction to the idea that sexuality is based on psychology rather than genetics. People are actually offended that someone could question the validity of whether or not people are born gay or straight. This should come as a red flag to anyone who really wants to delve into the subject with an open mind.

Sex (ie reproduction) is based on biology. Sexuality is mental.

there is a difference between homosexual behavior and homosexuality, almost every "prison gay" person self-identifies as straight and remains attracted to women

gabon's post is the kind of retarded bullshit we get when people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about decide they're experts on human behavior

No no, he's right. Even though I don't like broccoli, if I choose to like broccoli it tastes so much better. Eating is based on biology. Taste is mental.

Yes, tastes can be acquired over time.

hmm yes let's hear more about human psychology from the guy who unironically refers to "alpha" and "beta" males



yep this sure does look like an inferior, effeminate man who could never find a woman willing to sleep with him

of all the explanations for homosexuality advanced by you homophobic piles of human detritus, this has got to be the most hilariously implausible

[PLAYER57832]

It will be interesting to see what kind of affect, if any, this has on the child's orientation. Dare I say that there is an increased likeliness that Pop will be a homosexual or bisexual?

Yes, I dare..and if this is the case the bleeding heart liberals have shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Sexuality seems to be more biology than environment, but only time will really tell.

Unless you're in prison...

People have an emotional reaction to the idea that sexuality is based on psychology rather than genetics. People are actually offended that someone could question the validity of whether or not people are born gay or straight. This should come as a red flag to anyone who really wants to delve into the subject with an open mind.

Sex (ie reproduction) is based on biology. Sexuality is mental.

Aside from semantics (yes, sexuality is about thinking, not just physical structure), while an absolute answer is not yet forthcoming, the proponderance of evidence suggests a combination of biology and enviornmental causes make the basic difference. Add in to this the further question of acting upon impluses and its complicated.

Ironically, I would say that if pop is a normal heterosexual child, his upbringing will likely make him/her cling more fiercely to the gender role. This is based upon my experience. I have never met anyone to carry this to that extreme, but I have most certainly met, grown up with girls and boys who were being raised with "gender nuetrality" in many ways.

[GabonX]

hmm yes let's hear more about human psychology from the guy who unironically refers to "alpha" and "beta" males



yep this sure does look like an inferior, effeminate man who could never find a woman willing to sleep with him

of all the explanations for homosexuality advanced by you homophobic piles of human detritus, this has got to be the most hilariously implausible

Not sure what that picture has to do with anything, and just because a man is a beefcake like the one in the picture, doesn't mean he's any good with women. Quite the opposite, if he does not know how to approach a woman without frightening her (which often happens when men of that size approach women who they do not know) it may actually be harder for him than a smaller, less physically intimidating male..

As for "alpha" and "beta," when referring to human sexuality, or the sexuality of a great many other animals, the terms are of great value. In regards to human sexuality, I've read that as much as 90% of all sex which is had, is had by only 10% of the male population. That means that the other 10% of sex which occurs is shared among the majority figure of 90% of men.

Allow me to explain, capital letters will refer to men and lower case letters will refer to women:

A abcdefg
B abcde
C cd
D d
E e
F
G


The figure above is a model of male-female sexual coupling behavior. In general, women have more sex than the average man, mainly because it's easier for them to get, but they only have it with certain males. Sex is not evenly distributed among all people, and those males that know how to get it, get it much more often than than those who do not. This is the difference between "Alpha" and "Beta," and once again, it's largely psychological.

Now consider F and G. These guys are left out. They probably feel as though something is wrong with them. They have a lot in common. For men like this, homosexuality is a plausible alternative to being alone.

The concern I have for "Pop" is that if he is a male and has not been given any guidance, he will end up like F or G. Player is right in stating that the child may cling to traditional gender roles as a result of this experiment, but this may cause other problems.

This is not the path to raising a well adjusted child.

[Snorri1234]

Yes, I dare..and if this is the case the bleeding heart liberals have shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Well yeah but you dare because you're such a huge moron.

This is what I mean when I say "offended" or "emotional reaction."

How is insulting you an emotional reaction?

[thegreekdog]

That guy looks a little like me... scary.

[SultanOfSurreal]

Not sure what that picture has to do with anything, and just because a man is a beefcake like the one in the picture, doesn't mean he's any good with women. Quite the opposite, if he does not know how to approach a woman without frightening her (which often happens when men of that size approach women who they do not know) it may actually be harder for him than a smaller, less physically intimidating male..

As for "alpha" and "beta," when referring to human sexuality, or the sexuality of a great many other animals, the terms are of great value. In regards to human sexuality, I've read that as much as 90% of all sex which is had, is had by only 10% of the male population. That means that the other 10% of sex which occurs is shared among the majority figure of 90% of men.

Allow me to explain, capital letters will refer to men and lower case letters will refer to women:

A abcdefg
B abcde
C cd
D d
E e
F
G


The figure above is a model of male-female sexual coupling behavior. In general, women have more sex than the average man, mainly because it's easier for them to get, but they only have it with certain males. Sex is not evenly distributed among all people, and those males that know how to get it, get it much more often than than those who do not. This is the difference between "Alpha" and "Beta," and once again, it's largely psychological.

Now consider F and G. These guys are left out. They probably feel as though something is wrong with them. They have a lot in common. For men like this, homosexuality is a plausible alternative to being alone.

The concern I have for "Pop" is that if he is a male and has not been given any guidance, he will end up like F or G. Player is right in stating that the child may cling to traditional gender roles as a result of this experiment, but this may cause other problems.

This is not the path to raising a well adjusted child.

wow that sure is a lot of completely unsupported bullshit, please give me more in-depth analysis of these figures which you've pulled out of your ass

[Snorri1234]

Now consider F and G. These guys are left out. They probably feel as though something is wrong with them. They have a lot in common. For men like this, homosexuality is a plausible alternative to being alone.

Wow.

...that's really....


incredibly stupid.

Like massive stupid.

[Neoteny]

So... what happens to the extra women?

[SultanOfSurreal]

So... what happens to the extra women?

scissoring

(no, you can't watch)

technically speaking there should be no extra women, at least not non-deformed ones, since they can apparently snap their fingers and have leagues of beta males clamoring to f*ck them on command. but let's just ignore that

seriously though. to racist, i think we can safely add homophobia and sexism in gabonx's growing repertoire of idiocy

[GabonX]

seriously though. to racist, i think we can safely add homophobia and sexism in gabonx's growing repertoire of idiocy

Why would I be afraid of gay men? Every man who chooses to pursue a homosexual lifestyle is one less man I have to compete with for the affections of women!

I would encourage homosexuality accept that I sincerely feel bad for these guys...

[SultanOfSurreal]

seriously though. to racist, i think we can safely add homophobia and sexism in gabonx's growing repertoire of idiocy

Why would I be afraid of gay men? Every man who chooses to pursue a homosexual lifestyle is one less man I have to compete with for the affections of women!

I would encourage homosexuality accept that I sincerely feel bad for these guys...

if you didn't feel threatened by them you wouldn't feel the need to invent ridiculous theories about how gay men are inherently inferior to straight men

[Neoteny]

So... what happens to the extra women?

scissoring

(no, you can't watch)

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[GabonX]

seriously though. to racist, i think we can safely add homophobia and sexism in gabonx's growing repertoire of idiocy

Why would I be afraid of gay men? Every man who chooses to pursue a homosexual lifestyle is one less man I have to compete with for the affections of women!

I would encourage homosexuality accept that I sincerely feel bad for these guys...

if you didn't feel threatened by them you wouldn't feel the need to invent ridiculous theories about how gay men are inherently inferior to straight men

If you didn't feel threatened by reality then you wouldn't feel the need to twist my words around. This isn't inherent, it's psychological.

For the record, this is probably not the only cause of homosexuality, but it is a major one. Once again I pose the question (which you have conveniently ignored):
What about people who are attracted to animals? Is this a psychological condition or are there actually people out there who are genetically inclined to f*ck fish?

[GabonX]

Not sure what that picture has to do with anything, and just because a man is a beefcake like the one in the picture, doesn't mean he's any good with women. Quite the opposite, if he does not know how to approach a woman without frightening her (which often happens when men of that size approach women who they do not know) it may actually be harder for him than a smaller, less physically intimidating male..

As for "alpha" and "beta," when referring to human sexuality, or the sexuality of a great many other animals, the terms are of great value. In regards to human sexuality, I've read that as much as 90% of all sex which is had, is had by only 10% of the male population. That means that the other 10% of sex which occurs is shared among the majority figure of 90% of men.

Allow me to explain, capital letters will refer to men and lower case letters will refer to women:

A abcdefg
B abcde
C cd
D d
E e
F
G


The figure above is a model of male-female sexual coupling behavior. In general, women have more sex than the average man, mainly because it's easier for them to get, but they only have it with certain males. Sex is not evenly distributed among all people, and those males that know how to get it, get it much more often than than those who do not. This is the difference between "Alpha" and "Beta," and once again, it's largely psychological.

Now consider F and G. These guys are left out. They probably feel as though something is wrong with them. They have a lot in common. For men like this, homosexuality is a plausible alternative to being alone.

The concern I have for "Pop" is that if he is a male and has not been given any guidance, he will end up like F or G. Player is right in stating that the child may cling to traditional gender roles as a result of this experiment, but this may cause other problems.

This is not the path to raising a well adjusted child.

wow that sure is a lot of completely unsupported bullshit, please give me more in-depth analysis of these figures which you've pulled out of your ass

If you really want to understand this stuff you're going to have to look beyond the world of homosexual and feminist propaganda (and yes there is a WORLD of homosexual and feminist propaganda).

Read Sperm Wars. Hell, read anything by Desmond Morris. The Naked Ape is a good place to start.

[SultanOfSurreal]

Once again I pose the question (which you have conveniently ignored):
What about people who are attracted to animals? Is this a psychological condition or are there actually people out there who are genetically inclined to f*ck fish?

zoophilia is a pathology with no genetic cause. the same goes for any other paraphilia your dumb white trash ass might want to equate with homosexuality next

[GabonX]

A pathology huh?

So it's possible that a person would be drawn to animals even though they are not genetically inclined to, but it is absolutely out of the question that a man would be drawn to another man for any reason other than some unverified mystery hormone or protein...

[Snorri1234]

A pathology huh?

So it's possible that a person would be drawn to animals even though they are not genetically inclined to, but it is absolutely out of the question that a man would be drawn to another man for any reason other than some unverified mystery hormone or protein...

Wow.


Your knowledge of genetics is astonishing.

[Falkomagno]

well, SoS, U used to be my hero, but now i'm so disappointed. Actually, I hate you because you had just put myself in the side of that brainshit of gabon, and others stupid assholes here.

If you have a dick, a Penis , you are a Man.

If you have a pussy, a Vagina, you are a Girl.

If poo have a penis, but he thinks as himself a girl, too bad if he tried to compite in the PGA, or ATP....because no matter what do you think of yourself, there is something called "the third person viewpoint".

And I'm not talking about homosexuality, since it's clear that if you are a gay, a male gay, you likes others gays, or maybe others males, but it doesn't change your gender, since you obviously know for sure if you are a man or a girl.

The problem is about the self perception, but, the fact that you have penis or vagina, supported by torrents of hormones according, IS SOMETHING. If no matter you have a penis and you think yourself as a girl ( a girl trapped in a man body, or bizeberza) is a condition of mental dimention, not phisical. i mean, it's about your mental process, since the reality, your phisical body it's different that the inner perception. Maybe even a worst situation if physiologically your body it's not clear about the gender (hermaprodite or unbalance in hormones). But all of this is a very rare condition, birth malformation or a very bad enviroment from the very begining. In all the cases, an unbalance condition, and a undesirable as well. If this is the case, the parents have to do whatever they have in his hands to help the future person, but it's a complex situation itself

that's not the case here. Poo doesn't have an unbalance hormones condition or is hermafrodite, so, put him/her in that situation is totally reprehensible, it's child experimentation, are playing with the psique of a human being and contributing to further confusing, not desirable at all.

[SultanOfSurreal]

If you have a dick, a Penis , you are a Man.

If you have a pussy, a Vagina, you are a Girl.

what a nuanced and eloquent understanding of gender you have

[thegreekdog]

If you have a dick, a Penis , you are a Man.

If you have a pussy, a Vagina, you are a Girl.

what a nuanced and eloquent understanding of gender you have

Actually, the title of this thread is "swedish couple conceals child's biological sex from the world. I don't think the child gets to pick his/her biological sex. Gender identity? Yes. Sex? No.

[Falkomagno]

You can say that the gender covers not only the biological but social and others aspects of sex. But the true is that the firsts one, in most of the cases is given by the biological one, and the rest came along. Of course, there is a big world, and we're having many millenia of human culture, but the fact that you born with a gender is undeniable.

There is special cases, but thats the exception, not the rule. And culturally make a confusion at this point, just because you, as parent has "some point of view about the legitimacy gender" it's unfair with the child, and it's bringing him/her further doubts rather than certainties

[PLAYER57832]

Read Sperm Wars. Hell, read anything by Desmond Morris. The Naked Ape is a good place to start.

Just because someone can write well and even be published does not mean they are THE expert in the field. Desmond Morris offers one view, but not the only one. Also, your understanding of his view is not necessarily the only one.

[Falkomagno]

If you have a dick, a Penis , you are a Man.

If you have a pussy, a Vagina, you are a Girl.

what a nuanced and eloquent understanding of gender you have

Actually, the title of this thread is "swedish couple conceals child's biological sex from the world. I don't think the child gets to pick his/her biological sex. Gender identity? Yes. Sex? No.

I think that with this last post, everyone wins and sultan lose.

And anybody can put the last nail in this coffin by saying something like...


hey, why don't you read your own thread header, before make pitiful corrections. This has to be the most stupid thing I've ever seen.

[GabonX]

Read Sperm Wars. Hell, read anything by Desmond Morris. The Naked Ape is a good place to start.

Just because someone can write well and even be published does not mean they are THE expert in the field. Desmond Morris offers one view, but not the only one. Also, your understanding of his view is not necessarily the only one.

Agreed, there are too many books that are full of good sounding rubbish.

Desmond Morris does not write those books. I'm sure that him and I would disagree on a great many things, but there are things in his books which I have read which have helped me personally. Applicable information is the reason that I believe these things.

Honestly, I don't like the way the world is in these regards. I don't like the model I posted earlier, but a combination of perception, experience, and certain literature has convinced me of the things that I write about here. Everything I write about here.

Is ALL homosexuality caused because men who are desperate for affection can not get it from women? No, absolutely not, but it is extremely foolish for someone to claim that this is not a contributing factor. And it is a contributing factor.

These things are sad really, and they are not easy to think about. We do the best we can in the world we live in.