Nostalgia Mafia ~ Commander wins!

[Commander9]

Btw edoc you are only L-2 I just realised, streaker was the joke vote on you that was unvoted.

Hmm, for some reason I thought it was a 9 player game (C9) and I thought that by saying L-2 you meant he had 3 votes, but nevermind, stupid me.

[edocsil]

Un joke vote, vote edoc

Ahem.

What don't you get? Streaker essentially unvoted you then voted you again.

Yeah I thought cena had voted for me as well. So it is established I am at l-2.

Skimming? Mr. S said that there would be the deadlines so the game would move fast.

Only vote was bolded and it was followed by 2 names - why would that count?

Yup - and Edoc's reaction was rather... intense.

Yeah one thing for a game to move fast Another for the day to only be one week. In the 7 player mafia I hosted I did that and I saw how well that helped the activity. (sarcasm) And how is a one-liner about Vio an intense reaction. I have said several times now that I said it to prevent an oops, and you guys all act like I threw around accusations and got all defensive. Is that really what you are going to hang me for? Or perhaps you would think that it is claim worthy? It is a C9 game, everyone is just going to claim VT, as the doc and cop if they are out there can't afford to draw the attention to themselves by claiming.

[edocsil]

Btw edoc you are only L-2 I just realised, streaker was the joke vote on you that was unvoted.

Hmm, for some reason I thought it was a 9 player game (C9) and I thought that by saying L-2 you meant he had 3 votes, but nevermind, stupid me.

Exactly why I pointed the 7 players out, even a relatively experienced player can forget something simple like that.

[Commander9]

Yeah one thing for a game to move fast Another for the day to only be one week. In the 7 player mafia I hosted I did that and I saw how well that helped the activity. (sarcasm) And how is a one-liner about Vio an intense reaction. I have said several times now that I said it to prevent an oops, and you guys all act like I threw around accusations and got all defensive. Is that really what you are going to hang me for? Or perhaps you would think that it is claim worthy? It is a C9 game, everyone is just going to claim VT, as the doc and cop if they are out there can't afford to draw the attention to themselves by claiming.

Well, you're talking like you're already about to be lynched and you have only 2 votes on you. Besides, as Nag said, it is day 1, so it usually ends with a rather flimsy lynch... Sure, your case my be really weak, but we don't have anything better around and mathematically a no lynch would be really bad in such a game.

Hmm, for some reason I thought it was a 9 player game (C9) and I thought that by saying L-2 you meant he had 3 votes, but nevermind, stupid me.

Exactly why I pointed the 7 players out, even a relatively experienced player can forget something simple like that.[/quote]

Well, to be fair, this is my first ever C9 game and I'm not that experienced, if you compare to pretty much everyone else around. In fact, only streaker has shown up after me in the mafia forums.

[Commander9]

EBWOP.

Exactly why I pointed the 7 players out, even a relatively experienced player can forget something simple like that.

Well, to be fair, this is my first ever C9 game and I'm not that experienced, if you compare to pretty much everyone else around. In fact, only streaker has shown up after me in the mafia forums.

[nagerous]

Vote Count

with 7 alive, 4 to lynch. Deadline saturday night

Ah, here it is. Mr. S why do we have a deadline already? It hasn't even been a week yet an conversation is flowing.

If you are wondering about this, it is part of a campaign I am running and pushing for greater activity and regular posting, what I'd like to see are 20 pages springing up in big games over one night on a regular basis - I asked Squirrel actually for a 72/96 hr deadline but he said that was too extreme and said he'd have a deadline per players alive or something along that basis.

I see a week as plenty of time for 7 people to pick one person to attack, games like the Another Mafia Game I cited in one of the threads, we had 72 hrs for 16 of us to come to a decision as to who to lynch and though that may be too much for now, I think deadlines and their enforcement are a great way for activity to be ramped up. I can see it making sweat drip from your forehead.

Ok, edoc - back to the game - if not you for the guillotine then who would you suggest? Who in your eyes is the best target for a lynching?

[edocsil]

You. You push to hard for a rushed lynch.

[nagerous]

I am pushing for a lynch and encouraging activity. We only have until sunday. Weak.

[edocsil]

I am pushing for a lynch and encouraging activity. We only have until sunday. Weak.

And why I didn't say it earlier. You did ask.

[edocsil]

We had 2 pages of jokes, a funny bandwagon and then then this current close call. There simply hasn't been enough time to actually figure out anything. I am going to hazard a vote however. I am going to Unvote Vote Streaker

So this is a nice happy OMGUS, but I really do think the wagon against me is pathetic and stinks of scum. Also if I don't make a move soon I will be dead due to deadlines.

Here is this little bit from page 4

This IS the most scummy post up until now. With a deadline approaching rapidly, we have to go somewhere.
You already claimed nobody needs to be afraid of getting to L-1 on day 1. Now it's you on the line, and all of a sudden it IS a bad thing? If someone would hammer, we would indeed have our candidate for day 2. If you were town, you wouldn't even mind this... Especially because there are no or little power rolls in town.

Un joke vote, vote edoc

So the way a game like this works is 5 town 2 scum right? So you hang me, scum kills one more you are at 3v2 LyLo. Perhaps there is a cop out there, he finds scum, AND manages not to get killed. You hang you first scum, night comes and the scum kill the cop because there is no doc 1v2 LyLo again. You see what I am painting here? not a pretty picture in a small game when you hang someone D1 and you are not believe they have decent odds of turning scum.

So in short I vote streaker for applying logic that only works in a a larger game where you are more confident that there are power roles that can counteract the scums power at night.

[Fircoal]

We had 2 pages of jokes, a funny bandwagon and then then this current close call. There simply hasn't been enough time to actually figure out anything. I am going to hazard a vote however. I am going to Unvote Vote Streaker

So this is a nice happy OMGUS, but I really do think the wagon against me is pathetic and stinks of scum. Also if I don't make a move soon I will be dead due to deadlines.

Here is this little bit from page 4

This IS the most scummy post up until now. With a deadline approaching rapidly, we have to go somewhere.
You already claimed nobody needs to be afraid of getting to L-1 on day 1. Now it's you on the line, and all of a sudden it IS a bad thing? If someone would hammer, we would indeed have our candidate for day 2. If you were town, you wouldn't even mind this... Especially because there are no or little power rolls in town.

Un joke vote, vote edoc

So the way a game like this works is 5 town 2 scum right? So you hang me, scum kills one more you are at 3v2 LyLo. Perhaps there is a cop out there, he finds scum, AND manages not to get killed. You hang you first scum, night comes and the scum kill the cop because there is no doc 1v2 LyLo again. You see what I am painting here? not a pretty picture in a small game when you hang someone D1 and you are not believe they have decent odds of turning scum.

So in short I vote streaker for applying logic that only works in a a larger game where you are more confident that there are power roles that can counteract the scums power at night.

You know you have to remember that if you never end up getting conversation going and a forced no lynch happens then you end up with Lylo on Day 2 anyway with no lynches happening yet. Basically you let you mislynch opportunities go from 1 to 0. You need to get something going to succeed in C9. With such a need for leads I don't see the problem with trying to vote on weak ones for info. We have a deadline you know.

[Streaker]

What Fir said. If you wanna go mathematical on this, you have to include all the scenarios.
And you seem very happy to afford a no-lynch.

Ofcourse we are rushing a lynch, it's a frigging 2 days to deadline. In such a game something has to happen early. Even with a mis-lynch we would gain info for Day 2. Much much more info then we will have from Day 1.

You can OMGUS vote me all you want, but we still haven't got a better lead. You also fail to provide a better defence.

[cena-rules]

So essentially we have two possibilities here

Nag for being so pushy for a lynch towards edocsil
edocsil for being so defensive

Considering we have just over 24 hours, I'm going to go with unvote? vote nagerous

[edocsil]

4v2 isn't LyLo technically, another no lynch would result in LyLo day 3. Personally I would rather have 2 more days of conversation if they must be so short. Also statistically speaking a random shoot at 3v2 is more likely to hit then 5v2. I really don't get the attempt to prove that you will some how get magic information from my lynch. Who would you hang? Nag? Streaker? They are trying damn hard to hang a townie, but they have no definitive way of knowing that. Perhaps Cena he has been quiet, wait, that isn't unusual at all. Perhaps Commander? He has been here the whole time but hasn't taken much of a stance against anything. The point that I am trying to make is that it is bullshit to think you will be doing anything but random guessing tomorrow. Just the same as today.

And streaker, your logic there is why I voted you, as there really is no defense that I can possibly present against such a minor case, you should get that by now.

So essentially we have two possibilities here
Nag for being so pushy for a lynch towards edocsil
edocsil for being so defensive
Considering we have just over 24 hours, I'm going to go with unvote? vote nagerous

Yeah, of the two my vote is currently on streaker, but that's mostly because I don't think I could ever manage to hang nag in 2 days. I am also not entirely convinced that hanging either of them is a good idea, as my logic does apply in reverse.

[Streaker]

So essentially we have two possibilities here

Nag for being so pushy for a lynch towards edocsil
edocsil for being so defensive

Considering we have just over 24 hours, I'm going to go with unvote? vote nagerous

What makes nag a better target then edoc? I kind of agree with edoc though, but I don't know how to play this small game otherwise. A no lynch gives mafia a free kill, a lynch gives mafia a free kill but we possibly hang one of them before that.

If we do not lynch, there will be 1 player out by tomorrow (or there is a doc and he get's lucky). If we do lynch, there will be 2 players out by tomorrow. With 2 players out, chances of hitting mafia on Day2 are even better.
I don't see the benefit of dragging that out, other then having a day to conversate. But I believe that in such a small game, mafia will lay low. No reason for them to stick their neck out.

Furthermore, and this is the best I can come up with to lynch edoc, IF we lynch edoc, we will have information for tomorrow. Cena seems protective of edoc, so if edoc is scum we will have a next target. If edoc is town, it points towards cena being town. (thinking that mafia would help a town lynch rather then switching it to nag).

This actually makes sense, and I hope to get this lynch round before deadline. Edoc, it's nothing personal but we NEED the lynch.

[Streaker]

Vio, Fir, and comm are awfully quiet for this game. They know the deadline, and don't seem to care. They have to be looked into.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

fircoal (1) - Vio,
Nag (2) - Fircoal, cena
edoc (2) - streaker, nag
vio (1) - commander
streaker (1) - edoc

with 7 alive, 4 to lynch. Deadline Saturday night

If it comes down to deadline, I will use the method / came up with. It will be 50% chance no lynch, 50% lynch the most-voted person. Decided by coin toss.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Ah, here it is. Mr. S why do we have a deadline already? It hasn't even been a week yet an conversation is flowing.

Deadlines are non-negotiable. Nag had it right. I want this game to move quickly. The deadlines will be 24 hours per player alive.

[Streaker]

Vote Count

fircoal (1) - Vio,
Nag (2) - Fircoal, cena
edoc (2) - streaker, nag
vio (1) - commander
streaker (1) - edoc

with 7 alive, 4 to lynch. Deadline Saturday night

If it comes down to deadline, I will use the method / came up with. It will be 50% chance no lynch, 50% lynch the most-voted person. Decided by coin toss.

Question to the mod:

In case of a tie (ie 2 or 3 votes on more then 1 player), what happens? Both get the coinflip, or do you coinflip for the player that get's the coinflip?
Did that even make sense?

[nagerous]

So essentially we have two possibilities here

Nag for being so pushy for a lynch towards edocsil
edocsil for being so defensive

Considering we have just over 24 hours, I'm going to go with unvote? vote nagerous

unvote vote cena

I am happy to lynch anyone - I said that early, as long as we lynch someone - voting the most active townsmember however reaks of poor play and scum - considering your level of activity you look like the perfect lynch for today.

[edocsil]

Cena seems protective of edoc, so if edoc is scum we will have a next target. If edoc is town, it points towards cena being town. (thinking that mafia would help a town lynch rather then switching it to nag).
This actually makes sense, and I hope to get this lynch round before deadline. Edoc, it's nothing personal but we NEED the lynch.

Yea this logic is actually rather solid. The unfortunate part of it is it requires me to be dead.

unvote vote cena

I am happy to lynch anyone - I said that early, as long as we lynch someone - voting the most active townsmember however reaks of poor play and scum - considering your level of activity you look like the perfect lynch for today.

This on the other hand is not good. If we go and just lynch just anyone we end up with LyLo D2 and we are screwed. Also from my point of view I see Cena as town, as I am town and he didn't just go and jump on the wagon, it would have ensured my death. While you may not see me as town yet, if I do get hung send Nag in after me.

That being said Unvote Vote Nag Trust me now if you are willing, if not kill him tomorrow when I turn up town.

[nagerous]

Wow

Maybe I over-estimated you as a player. Putting me at L-1 now, as soon as I unvote you and turn to a better subject - someone who has been submarining and inactive.

I have been vote hopping deliberately, to generate activity so that we can actually catch scum, and you vote me.. you are sadly a poorer player than I thought.

[nagerous]

Seriously edocsil, cena-rules has made one pertinent post in this entire thread... and that was to avoid a bandwagon and vote for someone who wasn't even close to being lynched (I myself just had a joke vote on me) .

Can you not see that he is trying to be non-committal, avoid arguments, not voting you as to stay low and avoid a bandwagon, avoid confrontation - these are all classic signs of scum. The rest of time he has been laying low when he is active as hell everywhere else (in live chat etc.) and this desire to avoid debate and discussion and the production of leads. Maybe you are his scum buddy - as that would be your only defence for that ridiculously dumb move you just pulled.

[Commander9]

You. You push to hard for a rushed lynch.

To be fair, that's very true. Nag, perhaps there's a reason you're trying to lynch one of the best and most experienced players here and kept on pushing for it for the whole day?

Vio, Fir, and comm are awfully quiet for this game. They know the deadline, and don't seem to care. They have to be looked into.

Commander9 - 18 posts / Streaker - 11.

Gee, I go to sleep and I find this. Nice try to divert attention.

Unvote. Vote Streaker.

[nagerous]

Edoc - the when I am hung lynch nag tactic is also an extremely poor play and reaks of sheer arrogance as to your belief. If you are hung, come as town, I am hung then another townie is lost then that is game over for the town and that would be 100% because of your arrogant assertions that anyone who might possibly target you and accuse you of being scummy is the enemy.


9 times out of 10 the mafia is the lurker, the person who does not get involved in discussions, the person who waits for the active townsmembers to attack each other and then suddenly pounce at the end with an inconspicuous vote or in fact avoid the wagon altogether. That is what I regularly do as mafia is just totally avoid the day one lynch - knowing it is going to be a townie, just to get my name clear later.

Now if I am lynched, I am not going to be as self-assured and arrogant as to say lynch edocsil the next day because of this dispute, that is because if you are in fact town and as I said there is a 2 in 3 chance that you are then the pro-town faction is going to be severely jeapordised by the following of this advice.

The way you see me as a better lynch, putting me at -1 instead of voting cena for his non-committal lurking strategy however does not make any sense to me. I will ask you one question though. If I was scum do you really think I would've changed my vote from a guy who is close to the chopping board and acting extremely scummy (you) to a guy who has absolutely no votes on him whatsoever in a totally random move? Think about it..