Conquer Club

MountainLion wrote:I don't know what to think right now, but like I said before, Talapus hasn't even set a time limit for this day, so please LET'S TAKE OUR TIME.

We haven't even heard from everyone. Let's wait for everyone to post. Maybe someone will say "I'm Bullock," or we could get more clues in one direction or another.

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No! I am Bullock! I mean Spartacus.

Ahem. Thing is, if someone else claimed the role, should we believe them? I've played games before where one person claimed cop or doc, then someone else said that they were and the other was lying, so everyone killed the real doc/cop. So be wary, always.

Koesen wrote:b) I am, unknowingly, the kind of character that gives the opposite result when investigated (Miller? I forget what they're called). In that case, a lynch is a loss for the town.

c) There's a bus driver who switched me and somebody else. Again, this will result in a loss for the town if I am lynched.

I agree with Kwanton that b and c appear far fetched, but b happende to me last week in Maxisg8's Zombie mafia game, where Spinwizard looked scummy but was town, and c may have happened to me in the fishing trip mafia, where Mandy himself claimed he bus drove me to somebody else's place.

Unlikely, yes. Impossible, no. Unlike this back up cop theory, which can't be true if he was investigating people already in the first night.

Koesen wrote:

Koesen wrote:b) I am, unknowingly, the kind of character that gives the opposite result when investigated (Miller? I forget what they're called). In that case, a lynch is a loss for the town.

c) There's a bus driver who switched me and somebody else. Again, this will result in a loss for the town if I am lynched.

I agree with Kwanton that b and c appear far fetched, but b happende to me last week in Maxisg8's Zombie mafia game, where Spinwizard looked scummy but was town, and c may have happened to me in the fishing trip mafia, where Mandy himself claimed he bus drove me to somebody else's place.

Unlikely, yes. Impossible, no. Unlike this back up cop theory, which can't be true if he was investigating people already in the first night.

Ha yeah, I was the cop that investigated that and got scum on a innocent. C has happened to me also. Makes you want to just gang up on the mod doesn't it?

I really hate neverending days...

But good. Now that there is koesen support I can comfortably do this:

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I beilieve Mandy is telling the truth but Koesen is not scum. Looks like the doc is gonna have a tough decision tonight...

Skoffin wrote: Makes you want to just gang up on the mod doesn't it?

Actually, right now I would be happy if all gangs just dispersed and had a cup of tea

But let's not babble the discussion into the ground.

I repeat my main point of evidence:

Mandalorian says he's been investigating people all along, ergo, he's not a back up cop. The sane cop being dead, that makes him extremely unreliable, whether he's a liar or a nut case (or, since we're talking about Mandalorian, both).

FOS Mandy and Koesen

I agree that a back up Cop does not work here, but Mandy never said he was a back up Cop.

Mandy why did you roleclaim so fast? and how did you happen to investigate gimpy on the first night? are you THAT bad of a cop that you investigated one of the night 1 kills? why did you investigate gimpy?

True, Mandy didn't say he was a back up cop, but that was the main reason other people advanced to believe he is sane.

This reason is misguided, therefore he is not sane. (unless we have two sane cops, but I know that if we do, Mandy isn't the other one).

ML I really don't think he had any reason to believe Gimpy would be NK'd.....

I suspect Mandy to be paranoid (always guilty results). The fact that gimpy came up scum may have been mere coincidence and convinced him of his sanity. That's all I've got right now.

As I've already said, sometimes the backup cop gets all previous investigations, so that might be how Mandy knew, or he's filthy lying scum. We won't know until tonight.

To address another question, how come nagerous' role is unknown?

Does that mean there's a janitor or could there be other explanations?

Janitor is the only explanation I can think of. That's the only time you get an unknown role.

pancakemix wrote:As I've already said, sometimes the backup cop gets all previous investigations, so that might be how Mandy knew, or he's filthy lying scum.

Mandy said (in the post where he voted for me):

On first night I investigated Gimpy and he showed Anti-Gotham.

That shows he did not inherit his results.[/i]

Koesen wrote:

pancakemix wrote:As I've already said, sometimes the backup cop gets all previous investigations, so that might be how Mandy knew, or he's filthy lying scum.

Mandy said (in the post where he voted for me):

On first night I investigated Gimpy and he showed Anti-Gotham.

That shows he did not inherit his results.[/i]

Ah, good point.

Hmm... well, he's either scum, paranoid, or a second independent sane cop, which I find highly unlikely based on the character description from the wiki link and that 2 sane cops would be overpowering. So, if he IS Bullock, he's not sane.

Mandy, if you are a town cop and you want to confirm your sanity, why don't you investigate yourself tonight?

That's the only way where, if you get mafia again, you will know you haven't simply been amazingly lucky, and you don't even have to lynch innocent townies for it.

Koesen wrote:Mandy, if you are a town cop and you want to confirm your sanity, why don't you investigate yourself tonight?

That's the only way where, if you get mafia again, you will know you haven't simply been amazingly lucky, and you don't even have to lynch innocent townies for it.

You're not allowed to investigate yourself, not usually. It's like doc protection.

I don't think confirming sanity is an issue anymore. Now we have to figure out how to deal with an insane/paranoid cop. And also the fact that there are 2 townie(maybe) roles out in the open.

kwanton wrote:I don't think confirming sanity is an issue anymore. Now we have to figure out how to deal with an insane/paranoid cop. And also the fact that there are 2 townie(maybe) roles out in the open.

He's not insane. If he was he'd get town for gimpy.

If you look at it very simply, Mandy's actions have given us a lot of questions. If he's Pro-Gotham, why would he do that? He's an experienced player, and I don't think he would prematurely roleclaim like this...unless he has scummy reasons?

pancakemix wrote:

kwanton wrote:I don't think confirming sanity is an issue anymore. Now we have to figure out how to deal with an insane/paranoid cop. And also the fact that there are 2 townie(maybe) roles out in the open.

He's not insane. If he was he'd get town for gimpy.

Like I said, I've played games before where insane meant random investigations.

kwanton wrote:

pancakemix wrote:

kwanton wrote:I don't think confirming sanity is an issue anymore. Now we have to figure out how to deal with an insane/paranoid cop. And also the fact that there are 2 townie(maybe) roles out in the open.

He's not insane. If he was he'd get town for gimpy.

Like I said, I've played games before where insane meant random investigations.

I was in that game too. And it was called a random cop.

Ah ok then. Didn't know that "random cop" existed. I thought that it was just an insane cop mixup. O well that cleared things up.

Koeson you've given us more then valid reason to not lynch you (at least yet).

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What are your thoughts mandalorian? The real question is whether your insane, scum or paranoid; but thats for us to figure out I think...

FOS: n8freeman

Are you submarining or busy? You haven't posted much.

Vote Count:

(1)derfderf34 - Anarkistsdream
(4)Koesen - mandalorian2298, derfderf34, n8freeman, Huckleberryhound
(1)mandalorian2298 – Koesen
(1)gethine - MountainLion

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch!

Well, I'm not sure who to believe. Mandy roleclaims for no real good reason, as there was no real pressure on him to do so.

He claims cop, and fingers Koesen. Koesen claims to be town, and innocent.

MountainLion is going hard after Gethine, and not changing his mind, even after the roleclaim by Mandy claiming cop. Hmm, just caught that, thinking about it.

derfderf and HBH are acting stupid, derf we think is a fool, HBH probably just a moron.

VOTE: MountainLion I know, you said we have time, and your last post about Mandy did bring up a legitimate point, but... just curious. Are you REALLY good, or just clever scum?