Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

[spiesr]

That's not a solution. I've counted more than just two Cop roles, and what I said still goes. Plus, we have no reason to believe you or them. Either one of you could be Mafia. If you believed Pancake, then the obvious solution is to kill Jak. Killing me instead does not answer anything about the gift, and without my gift... I've done a pretty good job protecting the Town so far.

I count two cops who gift Magic 8 Balls (one is dead and I know the identity of the other) and one rolecop gifter who doesn't effect this. Do you count more? If so, please share that part of your notes. There is no reason to kill Jak. How have you done a good job protecting anything? With two kills each night nobody has successfully protected thus far.

[everywhere116]

I am confident that the cop gift given to yomiel is not the same as the one given to campin.

Why? Can you elaborate on that?

Yomiel, why do you want to lynch jak? It doesn't make any sense to me.

[crazymilkshake5]

Personally, I like my vote choice of Crazy better than me or Jak, but if you're determined to try and get more info on the Cop gift Pancake had, Jak is the better choice. At this point, I think that's pretty futile. Even if an investigation turns out to be right, aren't there some Cop roles on this site that are right part of the time? And like I've pointed out, we have no way of knowing what gift was used or if there was even a gift at all. For all you know, Campin is Mafia. Heck, even Pancake could be Mafia. Wouldn't that be something? Trying to prove a power that never existed?O_o You can't blindly trust anyone.

ive already asked to be replaced in this.

[spiesr]

ive already asked to be replaced in this.

Can you answer Rodion's questions/demands quick in case your replacement doesn't come before the deadline?

[Yomiel]

Unfortunately, my Day 1 notes are a little incomplete, due to the computer problems I was having.@_@ I just know that another Cop gift was mentioned, apart from the three confirmed.

It's not that I want to lynch Jak, just that I think that doing so makes more sense than lynching me, if you're trying to prove the accuracy of Pancake's gift, which I think is a fruitless effort anyway.

The odds that I would stop a kill are unlikely, with so many players, but as the numbers dwindle, that will change. I've stopped other things, though, I'll bet. My gift is the Mafia's worst nightmare.

[Yomiel]

If I end up getting killed, maybe I'll replace him?: P

[everywhere116]

Based on the mechanics of the game, I'm not sure anyone is able to replace another player after death.

[jak111]

If I end up getting killed, maybe I'll replace him?: P

That made me cringe...

Anyway, copy and paste your notes.. I'm tired of the bs around it.. I don't care how much or little you have I want to see it all and so do others.

[Yomiel]

No way. My notes are for my eyes only.O_o I will share what I think is relevant. Trying to force me to show my private notes is even weaker than trying to make me role claim.@_@

[Yomiel]

And this sudden rush to lynch me is suspicious, especially since it's right after the deadline was extended. I think someone doesn't want the Town talking.

[crazymilkshake5]

ive already asked to be replaced in this.

Can you answer Rodion's questions/demands quick in case your replacement doesn't come before the deadline?

yeah, as long as you can put them in black and white por favor.

[Campin_Killer]

If I end up getting killed, maybe I'll replace him?: P

That made me cringe...

Anyway, copy and paste your notes.. I'm tired of the bs around it.. I don't care how much or little you have I want to see it all and so do others.

QFT

[Yomiel]

See, you are not going to tell me that is not intentional. We've been asking Crazy for the same information for a LONG time now. And as of now, we only have his word that he asked to be replaced. Could just be a way to avoid being lynched for inactivity.

Campin, you would latch onto any reason to kill me. Why on earth would I share my private notes?

[Campin_Killer]

See, you are not going to tell me that is not intentional. We've been asking Crazy for the same information for a LONG time now. And as of now, we only have his word that he asked to be replaced. Could just be a way to avoid being lynched for inactivity.

Campin, you would latch onto any reason to kill me. Why on earth would I share my private notes?

Because they help the town.

[Yomiel]

My notes are personal, just like every other player's. I will share what I think useful.

[Campin_Killer]

Which in this case happens to be none, right?

[Yomiel]

I have shared plenty. You just will say and do anything to get me lynched, which is why I doubt you even have a Cop gift in the first place. I've already figured out plenty, including what Crazy's item is.

[Campin_Killer]

I have shared plenty. You just will say and do anything to get me lynched, which is why I doubt you even have a Cop gift in the first place. I've already figured out plenty, including what Crazy's item is.

Right, you caught me. I lied about the cop gift, guys![/sarcasm]

[Yomiel]

Wouldn't put it past you.

[Rodion]

Milkshake, in black and white:

1 - Did you get any items in the first night? If so, what were they and how did you use them?
2 - Set the following up for your replacement: have / tell him who Shield gifted to N1 and who you gifted to N2.~
3 - If possible, have / copy this when he PMs the replacement, so he can take action (if applicable) asap.

Actually, this line of thinking should not be exclusive to the busdriver-gifter. If anyone got an item and did not claim, they're almost certainly mafia.

Milkshake, here's your homework: you'll PM / to know who Shield gave his D1 gift to. If / answers Hensow, you're 99% sure the commuter-gifter. If he answers anything else, you're most likely to be the day-talk gifter. If you are the day-talk gifter and did not send to Saf/Aage D1, there's a good chance you sent to scum.

[Rodion]

Are you not listening? The THEORY is that the gift Campin has is the same one Pancake had. This is nothing but a theory. We KNOW that Jak was investigated with the gift Pancake had. Killing me costs a valuable gift and proves nothing. You had no idea who gave Campin his gift or how reliable it is. It could just as easily be the same gift I had. If you want to know about the gift Pancake had, the only way is to deal with the person that you KNOW he investigated.

Here is a solution. You'll note that I haven't voted for you yet. I know who the gifter of one of the cop gifts is. I will sit back and wait to see if this person agrees with this theory. (They will know which gift campin got.) At some unspecified point after I see they agree with it I will announce that the theory is confirmed. So we just need a bunch of people to drop by and say yay or nay on the theory.

If we can safely establish that the ball Campin claimed N2 is the same PCM claimed N1, then I like the idea of getting Yomiel lynched.

In order for this to happen, the player that was found by spiesr's rolecop as the "remaining cop" needs to "yay" the theory, which is another way of saying he did not gift Campin (which is another way of saying he gifted PMC/Jonty, since nobody else claimed the ball).

I don't need to yay/nay the theory as you know I'm not the remaining 8-ball cop, but I approve the plan.

/, can you get Tails prodded too? >.<

[Yomiel]

Are people so desperate to kill me off they're falling for this?-.- Seriously?

It is impossible to prove what gift Campin has, if he has any. Killing me also won't prove if the gift is accurate. And we already know there is at least one that is not accurate. Pancake investigated Jak. Killing Jak is the closest you're going to get to finding out the gift he had, not that it matters, since LSU and his gift are long gone.-.- This is all a waste.

We should be trying to get the Mafia, and the Cop Gifts aren't going to help much when we can't even trust them. At least my gift is useful.

[Campin_Killer]

And what, is your gift?

OH WAIT! DON'T TELL ME! You're going to refuse to out it, and say that it will help the town

[Yomiel]

I don't have to. My gift is already sent out, so it's not like it can be interfered with now. I also know what Crazy's gift most likely is.

I have the Commuter Gift.

[Campin_Killer]

Who did you gift last night?