MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:18 am

Me too, in regards to Moz.

Anyways, AK, can we get a TIME DEADLINE? Just to keep things in perspective.

--Andy

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:21 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Me too, in regards to Moz.

It's easier when your the mod.

red bull · Post by **red bull** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:53 am

all i have to say this time is that it told me fircoals role and what side he was on oh and also name

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:23 am

OK, I will say something from my perspective as a mafia game mod.

In all my games so far I believe I have given townie cops the full role in the investigations. That is not to say that AK would do the same, but the rules for how much info a mod gives a cop investigating are not hard and fast. In the future I may not give full roles and just guilty/not guilty etc... I take into account game balance (how much power town has compared to mafia; if town is slightly more powerful I would give cop investigations more ambiguity and vice versa).

With that being said, I believe red bull's claim and think we should focus elsewhere. A good place to start might be one of the 6 players mentioned for lack of activity.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:23 am

AndyDufresne wrote: Dcowboys, few posts...latched right on to Xenhu bandwagon on page 5.

Lt. Mustard, just not very active.

Kernal_K, general inactivity, playing the noob card.

Trestain, quick votes on page 8. [/list][/size]
Those are the few odd balls that pop out, in regards to activity or lack there of.

Thanks for pointing them out Andy. I HATE the players who don't post...especially the ones that come in with a vote but never share their thoughts on much else. I know not everyone has time to post a lot, but if you don't help the conversation you are of no use to the town. And if you are a mafia member and you don't help the conversation not only are you limiting the towns info but you also limit the chances of saying something incriminating.

For those reasons I would MUCH rather vote for a relatively inactive player at the end of the day over any of the main players everyone is currently suspicious of. The people who don't participate will never seem suspicious and will never help the town. Even if the suspicious posters are mafia they will most likely continue to trip up or seem scummy if they continue to post. It also limits are chances of lynching a potential helpful townie.

I've said it before and I'll say it again- talking is the main power that the town has, so if you don't talk you aren't helping.and

Strong FOS at DCowboys, Lt. Mustard, Kernal_K, and Trestrain

I would also like to see more posting from Dussel, puff, moz, and sam jam.

These are all people who I feel have not contributed very much. I'm going to go through and make a quick count of posts for some people...

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:27 am

good luck counting my posts sully.

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:41 am

Hey, it looks like I finally fast posted someone!

Looking at the list, trestain is usually good about posting. Let us pressure him into talking. Perhaps the volume of posts is overwhelming him at the moment, but I think we need to hear from a currently quiet, yet otherwise solid poster.

Vote: trestain

Now before some of you guys freak out, let me explain that this vote does not danger him in any way and I will be taking it off as soon as he posts something. This is a common tactic in Mafia to get someone to talk. Almost an etiquette of sorts.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:47 am

oops, I just noticed I didn't copy sam jam in my last post.

# autoload - 11
# dcowboys055 - 4
# Dussle - 13 (but not much lately)
# Kernal_Kronic - 4
# Lt.Mustard - 1 (with absolutely no substance)
# Marvaddin - 13
# moz976 - 6
# Puff - 9
# sam jam - 3
# trestain - 2
# vgmmaster - 8

Well those were just some quick numbers I ran on some of the quieter voices.

I see no reason why we should keep a poster with under 5 posts or so alive, and those are each of the people that Andy pointed out.

I will add vgm and autoload to my list of people I would like to see posting more, but I think they've all done alright with roughly 10 posts or so. Of course I did not look into the substance for posts in this tally, but if I'm voting for inactive players I would start at the bottom anyway.

If the inactive posters are townies the mafia would have no ambition to kill them at night. And since they are of little to no use during the day I think they are the ones we should lynch first. Nothing to lose by lynching them but potentially a lot to gain if one of them is just a mafia member who comes in, votes and leaves.

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:50 am

also, you can chalk autoload up to 13 posts now. I have no problems with that

And in case I miscounted anyones posts- sorry, its late and I should be doing homework so if you would like to recount your own, feel free.

Kernal_Kronic · Post by **Kernal_Kronic** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:28 am

Sorry i haven't posted anything over the last 2 days, but it was weekend & i didn't get on much...Now i've got to catch up on 20 pages of reading

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:31 am

Yes, I worked today. I have never been a particularly prolific poster in mafia. I prefer quality over quantity. But I also understand that less than 5 posts is not good no matter what the quality. I am curious as to how many posts by the people not on that list were spam or non helpful posts... I mean, I see some players not on that list that I feel did not contribute as much to this game as I have. Just saying that we shouldn't weigh total post numbers as heavily as you suggest.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:33 am

autoload wrote:Hey, it looks like I finally fast posted someone!

Looking at the list, trestain is usually good about posting. Let us pressure him into talking. Perhaps the volume of posts is overwhelming him at the moment, but I think we need to hear from a currently quiet, yet otherwise solid poster.

Vote: trestain

Now before some of you guys freak out, let me explain that this vote does not danger him in any way and I will be taking it off as soon as he posts something. This is a common tactic in Mafia to get someone to talk. Almost an etiquette of sorts.

I disagree with that vote though, for the record, I think before we start voting people for inactivity we should wait a few rounds.

Also. I hate coming back and having 7 votes on me, but thats just me.

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:41 am

Also, I think we should look at frequency of posts, as in how often a day one comes in. I place more stock in the person's one post that generates a firestorm of discussion worthy of The McLaughlin Group than I would place in three quarters of the inane banter that ensues afterwards...

And reverend_kyle, you are one of the people I had in mind when I said what I said in the post above...

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:41 am

autoload wrote:Yes, I worked today. I have never been a particularly prolific poster in mafia. I prefer quality over quantity. But I also understand that less than 5 posts is not good no matter what the quality. I am curious as to how many posts by the people not on that list were spam or non helpful posts... I mean, I see some players not on that list that I feel did not contribute as much to this game as I have. Just saying that we shouldn't weigh total post numbers as heavily as you suggest.

I agree with you completely, and I wasn't suggesting there was anything wrong with your posts. I counted yours because I thought it was one of the lower numbers, but as you said you make very quality posts.

I think I've posted a lot mroe than say, Andy, but his are way more quality overall. I tend to just write what I'm thinking at the time as its the best way to convey my thoughts. But yes, I counted you, marv, dussel etc....no real problems there for the guys in the 10+ range. auto and marv especially have made a high percentage of high quality posts.

Anyway, I understand it was a weekend and that some people may just miss some days. That's another reason why I'm not a fan of rushing through the voting process because we might miss people completely. Anyway, I hope that the posters in question realize the problem and begin to contribute more (or better), that is all.

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:43 am

OK sully, we are on the same page on this issue then.

I'm taking a break now and hopefully some lurkers come out of hiding when I get back.

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:47 am

reverend_kyle wrote:I disagree with that vote though, for the record, I think before we start voting people for inactivity we should wait a few rounds.

Also. I hate coming back and having 7 votes on me, but thats just me.

I'm not saying allow 7 posts to get on him in a situation like this. A good scum tell is if someone gets too defensive when a vote is placed on him. If someone else voted for trestain after me before he replied, I would remove my vote... In a situation like this.

I'm taking a break for real this time.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:59 am

I see so you are doing it just so that he'll know hey I need to talk. got it.

AK_iceman · Post by **AK_iceman** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:51 am

Vote Count

[1] Fircoal -- (Puff)
[2] red bull -- (dussle, wicked)
[1] trestain -- (autoload)
[17] Not Voting, Everyone Else

11 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch

Day Deadline: 14 Feb 2007 8:07 PM GMT.

Nyvek wrote:AK, can we get a mod ruling on whether or not Regular Cops are given roles from their investigations?

Nope.

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:07 am

Hi sorry I haven't been posting, I will try to get a bit more active. I'm trying to play 3 mafia games at once and it was starting to get a bit confusing. I was hoping i could finish finish at least one of the others off before i got too into this one.

Anyway im going to have to reread the whole thread but I do not think that we should lynch Red Bull, We lynched the cop in Andy's last game and look how that turned out.

Kernal_Kronic · Post by **Kernal_Kronic** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:10 am

Ok, well 1 of the "lurkers" is out...I can only get online at work & that's at the opposite times than most of you get on so when i do get online there's an hours reading trying to catch up & i've got to fit in doing some work or risk getting fired

I will be more active during the week days

The red bull / Fircoal is a tough situation. They could be telling the truth & both be townies but there's also chance they're both scum & are trying to protect each other by saying they're innocent.

If we lynch red bull & he/she is a "bad" cop then we know that Fircoal is also because RB tried to protect them, however if RB is not mafia then Fircoal is still around with a powerful pro-town role...whatever happens, i think RB has sent both to the grave.

P.S. Why did RB suspect Mach of being mafia?

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:12 am

Kernal_Kronic wrote:P.S. Why did RB suspect Mach of being mafia?

Because I suspected Fircoal, and he had already investigated fircoal.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:12 am

I think that either wicked or redbull are mafia. I suggest not lynching red bull, at least not yet.

dcowboys055 · Post by **dcowboys055** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:29 am

AK_iceman wrote:
Nyvek wrote:AK, can we get a mod ruling on whether or not Regular Cops are given roles from their investigations?
Nope.

wait nope they arent given roles or nope you're not telling?

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:29 am

I'm assuming its 'nope he's not telling'

After all, that was the question asked.

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:30 am

I just want to make a summary of Puff's Posts.

1.)

Puff wrote:I personally don't know who's theory to go with so I'm going to say.

vote: No Lynch

First Post to appear Pro-town. No Substance.

2.)

Puff wrote:I am starting to agree with everyone else on the Xen subject.

However my vote stands until I hear more from him

Second Post pages later to appear active and go along with bandwagon yet still with no substance.

3.)

Puff wrote:Alright I'm convinced
Unvote No lynch
Vote XenHu

No substance what so ever and hammers Xenhu.

4.)

Puff wrote:
vgmmaster wrote:This is what I'm thinking at the moment.

Mach's accusation that there is no SK makes sense. Going off of the win condition, Mach would be correct as it says that we are to kill all mafia members and there is no reference to an SK. However, being the experienced player that Mach is, he could be manipulating this seemingly simple info to his advantage.

Also, I want to bring this to attention as well.

Machiavelli wrote: The game cant end with a serial killer left.
You are 100% wrong in this. I will tell you why. I was the SK in a game before (different game then the one I mentioned already). Now, in that game, three people remained, the SK, a mason, and the final mafia member. The SK and the mason lynched the final mafia member and the SK killed the mason which resulted in the SK's win.

I'd give you a link to the game, but the forum is private, so linking to it here will not do us any good. But the SK can win mafia games. It's just difficult for them to do so.

Another thing to mention. Red Bull has mentioned that he knows Fircoal is innocent. Either A) he believes that, but doesn't really know for sure, B) he's a cop of some sort, C) they're both mafia, or D) they're both masons.

Personally, lynching either Red Bull or Fircoal may be the best option. If Red Bull is a mason or a sane cop, it clears Fircoal's name. If he's mafia, then Fircoal is mafia.
That is a very good point but if it goes wrong and Red Bull is a cop then we wasted another day.

So the safest way to prove your theory is to Vote Fircoal

This way if we're wrong we didn't lynch a cop (hopefully)

Just Smells scummy showing up over 10 pages later going with the flow again.

5.)

Puff wrote:
red bull wrote:because i really think he is a help to the town
What has he said for you to think this. please find the quote.

If this wasn't the start of the Cop outing himself so mafia get an easy kill tonight I don't know what is.

6.)

Puff wrote:
sully800 wrote:I agree with the general consensus that red bull is acting very strange, but I do not think it is worth a lynch since he's a potential cop. The town lynching their own cops and doctors is the quickest way for this game to end in the hands of the mafia.

red bull wrote:ok i cant really back anything up im sorry i cant. its just what i think and how he is acting,{fircoal} i still have no clues who is in the mafia i have some thoughts as to who is in it but i think i will not get a clear view untill the next day. but right now it does not look like i will make it but i do know that the pro town needs to keep fircoal alive
To me that really sounds like a cop trying to hint at who the investigated without actually saying "I'm the cop". Of course it could be a better mafia doing an impersonation of a noobish cop, but I think its almost too good of an act for that.

Also the only thing he has been saying is he thinks fircoal is innocent. He is not talking about any other members which would make sense if he was a cop because he only had one night to investigate. Also, in the above quote he said he has no clues as to who is in the mafia and won't get a clear view until the next day....once again alluding to being the cop.

There is no way its worth the risk to kill a potential cop. If anything we could lynch fircoal to try and prove that red bull is innocent but I'm not entirely sold on that plan either.
The only way to prove red bull is a cop is to lynch fircoal.

I'm sorry if your your town fircoal but not sorry if your mafia either way this is for the good of all.

My vote stands

Good of all? Don't you mean good for the mafia? So the townies lynch Fircoal and then get RoJo at night? Puff you are the one that needs lynching.

7.)

Puff wrote:
wicked wrote:but rojo hasn't even claimed cop. WE are the ones putting that label on him. lynching fircola doesn't automatically prove rojo is a cop if fircola turns out to be townie.

I think the whole situation is weird, but I'm not ready to lynch on it right now.
It does prove something Lynching Fircoal will tell us if red bull is either:

cop
mafia
mason

why else would he defend fircoal

Pushing Really Really Hard there Puff.

After that last post he hasn't posted and again has slipped under everyone's radar. I think he is hiding out until someone gets a bandwagon then he will pop up agreeing unless they are Mafia.

Vote Puff

Reason's I am voting for him.

1. Posts just enough to appear active, yet posts no substance and jumps on wagons.

2. Hammered Xenhu

3. Had the Cop Out himself to be a target for the mafia.