INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[ZaBeast]

nice to get some attention lol. My point was that I have nuthin to hide so I wouldn't be against claiming my animal for a flavour claim.
Yes Ragian needs to get in here.

Maybe he's just town-sided for the first time ever and doesn't know how to play it

I'm with pershy I have nothing to hide either flavour claim would be nice
Ragian is trying to get a store together

Do you have an explanation of how it would be beneficial to town when everybody just said a flavour claim would at best be unhelpful or have you been skimming already?

[Pikanchion]

• Everyone has some sort of power role, there are no VTs here.
• This is my first attempt at a Mafia setup, so expect some crazy, and somewhat "interwebbing" roles
• This means that all can be as creative as they like with their fake claims.
• Each role will have a BONUS credit condition, so be careful with what you reveal.. you may be giving someone easy Credits.

How can anybody be seriously considering any sort of mass claim when the above information has been provided to us? The fourth of these points is bordering on explicitly telling us not to just flavour claim straight away, and the second actually provides what may be the best reason not to: We can safely assume that there are roles which interact with specific others, either as masons, backup roles, or some other form of role sharing; and while we do not know whether these related roles are also related flavour-wise, it is a plausible scenario.

Say, for instance, we have two roles who are types of Salmon, one an investigative role and the other a backup for the same role. If one of these is killed then scum now know from flavour claims exactly who the other is, and without these flavour claims they wouldn't (should the non-backup have died first) even have reason to suspect there was a backup in the first place.

Until at least one pair of these interwebbing roles is revealed through other means, we do not know if their flavour claims are similarly connected, and it is in our interests to keep it that way.

[Ragian]

Ugh...forgot this game

Not trying to set up a store or anything, darin

Anyway, nice to see this forum up and about again. Dakky hasn't changed approach, BuJ hasn't changed approach, pershy is inherently scummy. It feels good to be back.

And yes, jmf plays in our DBD games. Calling him out on an OMGUS vote on the first page is hilariously lame, though.

Vote Pika

That'll teach you something I haven't thought of yet!

[Pikanchion]

No u! >:(

Unvote: Skoffin
Vote: Ragian

[Ragian]

You didn't learn?

[Pikanchion]

Maybe you just didn't vote for me hard enough =P

[Ragian]

You and your innuendos

unvote

VOTE PIKA

[aage]

Yo Strike sign up as a reserve, it'll be fun.


Lots of theories about the setup, you guys sure keep yourselves busy. I'm inclined to agree with Mets. I don't think trying to break the setup is the way to go here anyway, it's a pretty non-standard game. Also, whoever suggested massclaim: lolno.

A special thanks to Sirius Kase and ZaBeast for their votes, I think we're well on our way to secure the presidency. Let's play the game first though eh? Especially curious why Zab thinks his joke vote is so important that he has to re-cast it. Is it that important for you to be seen voting for me?

[Skoffin]

exactly zabeast, I was being metaphoric. I'm not a shark and I doubt there are actual sharks. FOS dakky for putting words in my mouth - but still it's a valid point to be wondering about the set up and try and catch someone out.
Maybe we should reveal our animal. I would be happy to reveal my particular type of aquatic life if there were a consensus to do so.

You doubt there are sharks in a game about the ocean? This strikes me as an odd theory considering sharks are one of the more notorious ocean inhabitants.

Also I reveal our animals would essentially be asking for a mass claim day 1. Lolno.

What he's asking about is a mass flavor claim, let's not over react.

He is clearly discriminating against sea plants though

If you think I can't work out what all your roles are based on your flavour claim then all I can say is... how dare you.
For this type of game a flavour claim is virtually the same as any other claim.

[Sirius Kase]

Just googled on "flavor claim" and got stuff about a lawsuit about cherry cola flavored oreos. Surely that isn't what you are talking about? not only is this my first mafia, i notice most of you are in same clan, so a lot of insider code is going misunderstood.

[aage]

In theme games we differentiate between role and flavor. For example, in a Pokémon mafia, the flavor claim would be "I am Pikachu", but the roleclaim would be "I am town cop".

In this game, flavor claim would mean saying what kind of fish you are. Not only does that likely not help us in solving the game, it will actively distract us and potentially give important information to scummy roles. There might even be a chance it's related to the 'favorite food' mechanic, although I haven't worked that one out yet so I can't say that for certain.

[pershy]

Anyway, nice to see this forum up and about again. Dakky hasn't changed approach, BuJ hasn't changed approach, pershy is inherently scummy. It feels good to be back.

I think you meant inherently townie. IGMEOY

[jfm10]

unvote dakky21

That was long enough with the OMGUS vote
This is my fourth game of mafia so am still in the learning process.

[dakky21]

jfm why did you unvote me BUT didn't vote for anyone else? It's still a joke vote phase so leaving your vote (even if it is OMGUS) on me is better than unvoting and then not voting for anyone (for any reason)... You are acting really weird... like you don't care where your vote will go... thats particularly scummy. For that reason I'll leave my vote on you but Pershy may be a better candidate after his last "igmeoy" post. Being so weakly attacked and defending so hard is also scummy...

Well, it's Day 1, I'm just making notes

[strike wolf]

Sure I'll Reserve.

[Metsfanmax]

• Everyone has some sort of power role, there are no VTs here.
• This is my first attempt at a Mafia setup, so expect some crazy, and somewhat "interwebbing" roles
• This means that all can be as creative as they like with their fake claims.
• Each role will have a BONUS credit condition, so be careful with what you reveal.. you may be giving someone easy Credits.

The fourth of these points is bordering on explicitly telling us not to just flavour claim straight away

With all due respect to Razorvich, I don't actually care if someone else gets credits (and neither should you). I'm happy to be Oprah and help everyone get all the credits, as long as it doesn't stop me from winning or getting my own credits.

and the second actually provides what may be the best reason not to: We can safely assume that there are roles which interact with specific others, either as masons, backup roles, or some other form of role sharing; and while we do not know whether these related roles are also related flavour-wise, it is a plausible scenario.

Yes, I agree here, this is a solid reason not to mass flavor claim at this point.

[chapcrap]

While advocating for a mass claim* is somewhat suspect, I find the post that encouraged it far more so. It feels as though either chapcrap was acting in a deliberately divisive manner with that post while covering it up with the throwaway "idk" at the end, or they were merely posting for the sake of posting to look active.

*albeit only flavour, though in this game it's also entirely plausible that flavour information could play a part in bonus objectives which would then have a mechanical effect with regards to bonus ability unlocks and the like...

I'm really unsure how my post was divisive at all... Just trying to get out of the unnecessary joke stage. I know it's fun and all and we're all like OMG a real mafia game in the public again! And credits!?! ZOMG!!! But, that's all that post was. Obvi.

I'm going to decline to vote during these stages of jocularity. Let's get the serious talks started!

With 16 of us, how many do you think might be scum?

How many of us are playing to win the mafia game and how many are attempting to win credits? That could change how the votes are done.

vote chapcrap

"Let's all speculate on the mafia/town ratio" is about the least interesting thing that one can possibly say that still looks like one is trying to contribute to serious discussion. I read this as a blatant attempt to gain town cred early on.

Speculating on game mechanics at the beginning of a new game seems pretty normal to me... I'm not sure why that is scummy. I'm not sure how it's more scummy than calling for everyone to reveal their animal.

and the second actually provides what may be the best reason not to: We can safely assume that there are roles which interact with specific others, either as masons, backup roles, or some other form of role sharing; and while we do not know whether these related roles are also related flavour-wise, it is a plausible scenario.

Yes, I agree here, this is a solid reason not to mass flavor claim at this point.

And the fact that someone had to make a point to "convince" you to not mass claim is also ridiculous. But you agree that we shouldn't, bandwagonning and still leaving your vote on me instead of the person who suggested a mass claim 7 minutes into the game.

I think you're acting scummy. Vote Mets

[chapcrap]

Also, I'm in 364 games right now... so, if I'm not super responsive, that's why... I'm gonna get that February top 3 prize!!

https://www.conquerclub.com/public.php? ... vent_id=92

[ZaBeast]

A special thanks to Sirius Kase and ZaBeast for their votes, I think we're well on our way to secure the presidency. Let's play the game first though eh? Especially curious why Zab thinks his joke vote is so important that he has to re-cast it. Is it that important for you to be seen voting for me?

It's more a case of "why not?" than "why?" for my vote. I've been tempted to switch it to other players but as I don't really have a case on anybody yet I figured I might as well keep my joke vote on you for now.

jfm why did you unvote me BUT didn't vote for anyone else? It's still a joke vote phase so leaving your vote (even if it is OMGUS) on me is better than unvoting and then not voting for anyone (for any reason)... You are acting really weird... like you don't care where your vote will go... thats particularly scummy. For that reason I'll leave my vote on you but Pershy may be a better candidate after his last "igmeoy" post. Being so weakly attacked and defending so hard is also scummy...

Well, it's Day 1, I'm just making notes

Anyway, nice to see this forum up and about again. Dakky hasn't changed approach, BuJ hasn't changed approach, pershy is inherently scummy. It feels good to be back.

I think you meant inherently townie. IGMEOY

Isn't he just trying (and failing) to be funny?

[Metsfanmax]

I'm not sure why that is scummy. I'm not sure how it's more scummy than calling for everyone to reveal their animal.

The suggestion of a mass claim isn't necessarily scummy to me, it's just a bad idea. I haven't played with pershy before and I do not know how to read them yet. Obviously I'm noting it for later, but I don't think it's enough of a reason to vote at this point. It could be that they genuinely thought there was no risk in flavor claiming (perhaps because their role doesn't make use of this information).

And the fact that someone had to make a point to "convince" you to not mass claim is also ridiculous.

That is incorrect. I was merely voicing my agreement so that there would be additional people indicating not to do the mass claim. Probably unnecessary, since it had already been roundly rejected, but it can't hurt.

But you agree that we shouldn't, bandwagonning and still leaving your vote on me instead of the person who suggested a mass claim 7 minutes into the game.

How is my vote on you a bandwagon? I was the first person to do so. If anything, the people bandwagoning are the people who are just mindlessly repeating mass claim bad, lynch the mass claimer!

I think you're acting scummy. Vote Mets

Oh hello there Mr. OMGUS.

[Metsfanmax]

Speculating on game mechanics at the beginning of a new game seems pretty normal to me... I'm not sure why that is scummy.

My opinions are similar to aage's. There's not a whole lot of meaning in a standard game, saying "well there's Y players so there's probably X mafia." In this game, every suggestion has meaning, and particular suggestions have a way of planting themselves in people's minds and perhaps subconsciously driving the flow of the conversation. Even suggesting "freshwater are villagers and saltwater are scum" has a way of doing this sort of thing. If you agree that the flavor claim is bad, it's for the reason everyone has been saying. And if that's true, then you agree that any commentary which would give away your own flavor is a bad idea. Which means that either you're doing the very thing you're condemning when you make a comment like that, or you're actively speculating something which you know isn't true or for which you have no evidence to be true, in which case what's the point of saying it?

[Skoffin]

jfm why did you unvote me BUT didn't vote for anyone else? It's still a joke vote phase so leaving your vote (even if it is OMGUS) on me is better than unvoting and then not voting for anyone (for any reason)... You are acting really weird... like you don't care where your vote will go... thats particularly scummy. For that reason I'll leave my vote on you but Pershy may be a better candidate after his last "igmeoy" post. Being so weakly attacked and defending so hard is also scummy...

Well, it's Day 1, I'm just making notes

Like you don't care where your vote will go.. by not voting anybody, at least randomly... okay, lad.
Why is not voting so weird to people? I'm getting mandy sirens and it's triggering me.

[Razorvich]

[Ragian]

@Sirius, only a few of us are in the same clan, so it's not clan lingo that's lost on you, but most likely mafia game lingo.

People have used OMGUS a fair few times. Ask if there is anything. Hell of a game to start out with...

@dakky & ZaBeast, to me, Pershy always plays a bit defensively (but more so when he is town), so while one of you thinks it's scummy, it's normal to me, and while the other subjectively thinks it's a failed attempt at joking, it seems sincere and per MO to me.

unvote vote chapcrap so that he can focus on getting on the February podium.

[BuJaber]

jfm why did you unvote me BUT didn't vote for anyone else? It's still a joke vote phase so leaving your vote (even if it is OMGUS) on me is better than unvoting and then not voting for anyone (for any reason)... You are acting really weird... like you don't care where your vote will go... thats particularly scummy. For that reason I'll leave my vote on you but Pershy may be a better candidate after his last "igmeoy" post. Being so weakly attacked and defending so hard is also scummy...

Well, it's Day 1, I'm just making notes

Like you don't care where your vote will go.. by not voting anybody, at least randomly... okay, lad.
Why is not voting so weird to people? I'm getting mandy sirens and it's triggering me.

I happen to agree with dakky on this.

Not voting anybody is meaningless, especially at the beginning of the game when most are joke voting. Even a random vote on someone could end up sparking some sort of followup or discussion that gets the game into gear.