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Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:44 pm**

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:On the subject of role descriptions, my one is written from the viewpoint of my character. As others have said its very different style to NoS's. However, what I would say, is that a Doc winning when his patients are no longer under threat from anyone sounds reasonable as the viewpoint of the doc.

Mtam this is the post Hotshot refers to.

I did write this on page 6 which does refer to my affiliation.

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote: I have to agree with Virus here. Mets case makes sense to me, I agree with his assessment that I could easily be the best sacrificial town in this game.

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:45 pm**

HotShot53 wrote:EBWOP vote wing didn't bold on the last one somehow

For the 2 TG's... if they don't show up soon will they be replaced and/or mod killed? If replaced, I hope it is soon so their replacements have time to participate before day end...

If a replacement is needed, I will find them during night phase.

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:51 pm**

mtamburini wrote: @hotshot did wing claim 3rd party?

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:On the subject of role descriptions, my one is written from the viewpoint of my character. As others have said its very different style to NoS's. However, what I would say, is that a Doc winning when his patients are no longer under threat from anyone sounds reasonable as the viewpoint of the doc.

The only winning conditions that have to do with the role/character are 3rd party ones, as far as I know, which makes him sound very 3rd party here.

mtamburini wrote:We should definitly be lynching NOS or HOTs IMO based on hots last reason to vote for wing, why the f*ck would you want to kill someone who you think is third party

I didn't say I wanted to kill him, I wanted to see what he will claim, and then at that point we could decide if he is a useful 3rd party or not. Since I think Streaker is town, I am definitely not voting for him, so the only way to move the game forward and get something done before day end at this point was to vote for wing to get him to claim, and then people can decide whom to move on to or if they really want to lynch wing.

Fp by wing & DY

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:25 pm**

If u don't want to lynch him y r u voting him

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:45 pm**

mtamburini wrote:If u don't want to lynch him y r u voting him

Because with only a couple days left and not close to actually lynching anyone, we need to get the game moving... I couldn't convince anyone to join me on IB, so I had to switch somewhere else... the majority is on wing right now, so if I add my vote to get him closer to claiming, then they have a chance to look at other people after he claims (or actually lynch him if people don't believe his claim). And since I believe wing is probably 3rd party, his claim shouldn't hurt town.

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:49 pm**

Hotshot:

A. Wing claims a believable town role?

B. Wing claims a believable third party role?

Reactions?

I assume that unbelievable claims would warrant the same reaction.

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:08 pm**

strike wolf wrote:Hotshot:

A. Wing claims a believable town role?

B. Wing claims a believable third party role?

Reactions?

I assume that unbelievable claims would warrant the same reaction.

A. - I'd expect an explanation to explain what he said that made him seem third party (which he himself realized made him sound third party, since he responded to mtam with the quote before I did)

B - I'd hope that everyone else accepts it also, so we can all move on to lynching scum in the time we have left today (I still prefer an IB lynch, but that won't happen while so many people are voting streaker & wing)

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:36 pm**

doom - if you have a ready replacement for me feel free to replace me, if not I will try and decipher something soon. I'm just really struggling to get a grasp on this

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:39 pm**

Hotshot not considering he could be mafia but only third party means he is mafia looking to elimint his teams threat to winning.

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:40 pm**

unvote vote hotshot

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:15 pm**

mtamburini wrote:Hotshot not considering he could be mafia but only third party means he is mafia looking to elimint his teams threat to winning.

Not sure what you mean here... of course I'm considering the chance he is mafia (or town), I just think he is third party at this time. If I was mafia and wanted him eliminated, I'd say he was scum... so your argument really doesn't make sense.

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:18 pm**

planned to have more. But wont.

So the short list. Strike is now town. Why?
Because he isn't taking a back seat any more and pushing his scum read on NoS.
i know i called him out, and imo his posts since than have been more upfront, and less side show. I feel lately he has been interjecting himself more. I don't believe this is in reaction to me, if he was reacting to me and wanted to be keeping a lower key profile, he wouldn't be pushing the claimed doc. Additionally, i like how he followed up his post, pointing out that there was a lack of interest in people commenting on his push on NoS.

Regarding the wing push. I find the last 2 votes on it pretty uncomfortable. Specially AoG vote. In particularly how he cherry picks the Nos comments, with out noticing Strike Wolf pushing full steam on NoS.

AoG just seems to be taking the easiest path in regards to just pushing people who pushed on the doc. He isn't talking in detail about wings pushing on NoS, or why, its just simply "he pushed the claimed doc"

I'd be down to lynch AoG, good to go back on Nos.
backing off streaker for now, because of strikes comment.

With that Ill be following my honey buns back to HotShot
Unvote
Vote Hotshot

reasons being his pushing on Ib, not matching up to what i was reading.
Since then, he has let go of IB, and is pushing Wing, not because he thinks he is scummy but for the role information.

Thing is, wing is pretty confident he is town because he is suggesting a mass claim. One generally isn't that confident on suggesting something like this so early in the game. Hence, when wing is throwing out his wincon being different it doesn't bother me. I really don't care if he is 3rd party at this point, because imo he is being far to active with pushing content.

fp

HotShot53 wrote:
mtamburini wrote:Hotshot not considering he could be mafia but only third party means he is mafia looking to elimint his teams threat to winning.
Not sure what you mean here... of course I'm considering the chance he is mafia (or town), I just think he is third party at this time. If I was mafia and wanted him eliminated, I'd say he was scum... so your argument really doesn't make sense.

Thing is, when you play scum, its hard to hunt for "scum" because you have near perfect information. When you are in a game that has a very high chance of a 3rd party, then its easy to act like you are hunting, because its important that you remove 3rd parties as mafia. Thus pushing 3rd party and being vocal about it is natural. Specially with how wing is acting, and the information he has presented, its hard to push him as "scum" while far easier to push him as 3rd party and be "oo lookk 3rd party be scared of himmmm"

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:53 pm**

Strike, I have no way of knowing whether you are scum trying to push me or whether you truthfully have a different win condition. The fact that I seem to have a different win condition than most people who claim to be town shocks me, but I cant say I have something I dont. I dont know what the "generic town win condition" and I have no explanation for why mine seems to be different, but there isn't much I can do after claiming, as I cannot quote my PM. If I could, I would. If you feel it is enough to lynch me, good for you. I PM'd DY asking him to shed some light on this (because I dont feel like being lynched based on what seems really stupid to me). Could be part of the game, I have no idea lol I am as confused as you are. But again, I have no way of proving to you that I have a town role, so use your gut I suppose.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:54 am**

dd515087 replaces TeeGee. Deadline remains unchanged.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:56 am**

DD how does it feel to be replacing mafia.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:57 am**

Personally, I'm of the opinion that the WC for NoS may be due to a more mundane reason, like Doom typed it out and sent it rather than copy+paste. "Last faction standing" and "threats eliminated" are equivalent for maf+scum. And, unless Doom has given fakeclaims, NoS' name rings true to me.

I'm more wary of those who wished to push the issue- Strike in particular.

Wing is looking super scummy but it's difficult to attribute to cornered scum or noobness.

Imo Storr's been awfully quiet regarding the wing BW, almost as if to deflect attention (mtam as well).

-Tails

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:59 am**

I think wing is town and while lynch hotshot, did you not read what I have posted since coming back.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:00 am**

Well he didnt read Storrs post on this page where Storr gives his thoughts about me, so I doubt he read many of the other posts.

If I was being really cynical I would say that "Wing has many votes on him, therefore must have done something scummy" is the argument here.

I will happily switch my vote from Streaker to Hotshot if things go that way. Those two, plus Rishaed and NoS are all good picks in my opinion.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:42 am**

@TA1LGUNN3R care to go into any more detail about Wing?

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:41 am**

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Personally, I'm of the opinion that the WC for NoS may be due to a more mundane reason, like Doom typed it out and sent it rather than copy+paste. "Last faction standing" and "threats eliminated" are equivalent for maf+scum. And, unless Doom has given fakeclaims, NoS' name rings true to me.

I'm more wary of those who wished to push the issue- Strike in particular.

Wing is looking super scummy but it's difficult to attribute to cornered scum or noobness.

Imo Storr's been awfully quiet regarding the wing BW, almost as if to deflect attention (mtam as well).

-Tails

The difference in WC is considerable. The fact you are trying to minimize this is fishy. Is it even possible in this flavour setup to derive anything from a name?

I actually like that Strike has the balls to continue pushing on a claimed doc (there is enough reason to doubt that WC). Personally I believe it is better suited for tomorrow.
If you truly believe Wing is looking THAT scummy then why on earth are you still voting Storr? I don't see you pushing any case here.

It's a post full of nothing, imo.

FoS Tails

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:55 am**

Streaker wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Personally, I'm of the opinion that the WC for NoS may be due to a more mundane reason, like Doom typed it out and sent it rather than copy+paste. "Last faction standing" and "threats eliminated" are equivalent for maf+scum. And, unless Doom has given fakeclaims, NoS' name rings true to me.

I'm more wary of those who wished to push the issue- Strike in particular.

Wing is looking super scummy but it's difficult to attribute to cornered scum or noobness.

Imo Storr's been awfully quiet regarding the wing BW, almost as if to deflect attention (mtam as well).

-Tails
The difference in WC is considerable. The fact you are trying to minimize this is fishy. Is it even possible in this flavour setup to derive anything from a name?

I actually like that Strike has the balls to continue pushing on a claimed doc (there is enough reason to doubt that WC). Personally I believe it is better suited for tomorrow.
If you truly believe Wing is looking THAT scummy then why on earth are you still voting Storr? I don't see you pushing any case here.

It's a post full of nothing, imo.

FoS Tails

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:47 am**

Please don't just quote a post to bold 1 item, and make no comment.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:19 am**

StorrZerg wrote:regarding the wing push. I find the last 2 votes on it pretty uncomfortable. Specially AoG vote. In particularly how he cherry picks the Nos comments, with out noticing Strike Wolf pushing full steam on NoS.

AoG just seems to be taking the easiest path in regards to just pushing people who pushed on the doc. He isn't talking in detail about wings pushing on NoS, or why, its just simply "he pushed the claimed doc"

I'd be down to lynch AoG, good to go back on Nos.
backing off streaker for now, because of strikes comment.

what should I be doing? making stupid accusations based on some false sense of scumhunting?

also, what do you mean I'm not noticing strike pushing NoS? I posted immediately after strike made his first push. Clearly you're not reading and honestly this sounds like some OMGUS sour grapes for me saying I think you're scummy earlier.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:08 am**

Army of GOD wrote:strike, I understand what you're saying, but what do you make of no one counter claiming NoS? If you still think he's scum, that means (not tying to WIFOM, but these are the only logical conclusions I can think of) (a) you think there aren't any town docs and (b) the real town doc is keeping quiet, maybe because they don't want to out themselves.

just asking from an experience standpoint, but how many times does (b) happen in games? (the doc doesn't counter claim this early to make sure they don't give themselves up to the mafia so quickly)

Yes this is a conversation. Clearly defensive on how you approach talking to strike. Only latter when directly asked do you call his action scummy.

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:15 am**

because I wanted to see how he responded. Just because I don't say the action was scummy doesn't mean I didn't think it was.

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