Civilitas High - Lesson 2: Geography

[Ragian]

No deadline set just yet. I feel like the game is still going. Any deadline will feature in the accusation count.

Regarding participation, I had to change my initial hardline stance (from the rules) given my own holiday plans. It seemed hypocritical to enforce participation rules that I couldn't adhere to myself. Therefore, I changed them to the ones below (alas, I forgot to change them in the rules). I am enforcing rules as below.

[...]

In order to learn, all evidence points to student participation. The best learning occurs when students are active in class. Therefore, the rules for participation here at Civilitas High, where teaching students to become independent thinkers in the spirit of Kantianism is imperative, are as follows:
- If you go through five real life days without participating in class, you will receive a warning (as a PM).
- Your warnings are logged throughout the semester (game).
- Your second warning is your final warning. There is no third warning.
- Breaking the rules after having received a second warning gets you sent to the principal's office.
- If you are sent to the principal's office, you are evicted from Civilitas High. Any people on the waiting list will be offered your place.

Obviously, students are urged to contact the principal's office with important information regarding lack of participation in class, which will be taken into consideration when distributing warnings.

[Loose Canon]

Its sone cartesian coordinated thinking thats required here.

But er yeah kantianistic would be good too

[Charle]

Now ive seen your "information" charle, how exactly does your role work?

All I can say to you now is that tomorrow I will be able to know the movement of one person last night. The note I received during the break has nothing to do with my role, I did not know that I would receive it either.

[Loose Canon]

2 questions, 1 question/observation while i digest that;

Charle will you be able to requeat movement information again?

Dds why did you speculate charle would claim weak tracker?
I read his d1 as a prelude to a detective claim.

Observation & question;
Amongst so many wallflowers movement info might be the best shot at finding which isnt.
Is there a movement counterclaim though, because if so theres a good chance if you come forward any protective will save you break 2?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Cool, thanks Ragian.

Im fine with getting more answers


Unvote Vote Devante

[Devante]

Not sure what answers ya want DDS. I haven't seen much to go on other then suspicions on LC and Charle. With a harder lean on LC. I'm fine with waiting a day to see what Charle has to say but am unclear whether he means next day in the game after another night or actually tomorrow in RL. Life is busy right now and without much to go on I'm sticking with my vote for now

[Loose Canon]

My current suspicion quotient with 7 town vs 3 mafia is as follows;

DDS (Claims Wallflower) 45% - pushing an all wallflowers are town agenda - dont buy it and actually avoids questions that don't fit his agenda. Would be higher except for sheer activity level.

Charle (Claims Town Movement Investigator) 40% - much higher though if an alternative movement detector role, no red check detective investigation on him, could be best hope of finding mafia among wallflowers. There's D2 time for either counterclaim movement investigative role or red check detective. In absence of which down to around 30% for me

Other Claimed Town Wallflowers
DJF 39% - going full on with or behind DDS agenda. Laid on Wallflower too much - starting with Max spotting "breadcrumb" although an earlier stronger breadcrumb by DJF.
Bunny 38% Promoting DDS agenda but with subtelty. Trying to push me vs Charle
King 36% - done nothing really to make me suspicious
Hjelp 34% - has played mafia admirably in the past

Non- claimed
Devante 34% - pushed my lack of activity - wrongly - took the opportunity to stick a sly boot in
Traf 34% - nothing except echo chamber for DDS line
Homer 32% - I'm OK with posts & suspicions


Mafia are OK if I'm lynched and probably OK if they think I can't carry my arguments or they can be shot down as just LC.

However I've claimed, I can't go anywhere at breaks, my claim is real vanilla except game set up knowledge at outset.
Being real vanilla but with game set up knowledge in my intro from Rag suspect Wallflowers and those pushing Mafia Wallflower agenda.

Point you all to my really early game post below but there's more I could point you to as the game developed

f*ck English I came here to major in maths.

80% Organic could mean 80% town.
With 12 players that'd be 9.6 players town 2.4 players mafia.
Rag could have said 75% Organic if a normal 9 town 3 mafia split in a 12 player game.
Makes me think maybe there's a hint of 9 town 2 mafia 1 third party

Maybe Rag didn't mean to hint anything by his 80% organic, but 80% organic is to me at least something a bit odd just as throwaway flavour.

Rag professes to hate flavour discussion as a player.
But f*ck it if he's wasting my time with this English dud dude, I'm talking flavour.

[HottBunnie]

I never pushed you to vote for Charle I just said take a stand and vote not voting at all makes you look suspicious fyi

[DirtyDishSoap]

I never pushed you to vote for Charle I just said take a stand and vote not voting at all makes you look suspicious fyi

This +1000. It's our most powerful tool during the day.

Dev, almost every post you have made is either to catch up or to vote without much reasoning, or to just echo someone. Others have posted their reasoning, but yours just seem to be more like lurk, follow x player, vote, catch up, excuse, come back and repeat. You're the scummiest of our inactives imo. I can't much excuse Homer or Traf, and that will be a bridge to cross eventually, but so far, your play is the most suspicious.

I've sufficiently answered Loose enough that I'm forced to ignore his posts for the remainder of the day to keep things going. Don't see the point of engaging him any further.

[Devante]

I never pushed you to vote for Charle I just said take a stand and vote not voting at all makes you look suspicious fyi

This +1000. It's our most powerful tool during the day.

Dev, almost every post you have made is either to catch up or to vote without much reasoning, or to just echo someone. Others have posted their reasoning, but yours just seem to be more like lurk, follow x player, vote, catch up, excuse, come back and repeat. You're the scummiest of our inactives imo. I can't much excuse Homer or Traf, and that will be a bridge to cross eventually, but so far, your play is the most suspicious.

I've sufficiently answered Loose enough that I'm forced to ignore his posts for the remainder of the day to keep things going. Don't see the point of engaging him any further.

I get the low participation but that's always been how I play till we get mid game as there's more info going around rather then random targeting and speculation. Right now we have info mostly on 3 players based on their postings, that's you DDS, LC and Charle. The rest have added comments but not really moving one way or the other other then the ones not posting at all. From what you've posted i'm not leaning you scum right now but that doesn't clear you. Charle with his claim or suggested claim and LC with what he's posted lean the scummiest to me so far. And the other breadcrumb comment is the one thing I haven't quite nailed down yet. Other then that feel free to vote for me but it doesn't do town any good

[Loose Canon]

Nevertheless dds i want to engage with you;

Regarding your wallflowers are town stance do you want to
Reevaluate
Double down
Debate

Regarding max it occurs to me you have employed a Defuse, Adapt, Use strategy
Defuse - probably not max as mafia
Adapt - you expressed irritation that max called out wallflowers as town early - would have been better for mafia flowers had this played out longer.
Use - definitely not max not worth even attempting to talk to or suspect max. Probably not djf either, by implication not dds. Told you all it wasnt max. Annie shouldnt have put max down as her nominated suspect, really wish she hadnt, best you all listen to me.

Regarding charle - you thought about it a lot - so if charle is fake claiming do you think it is a charle fake claim or a mod supplied fake claim?

[DirtyDishSoap]

I recall a real lack of participation from like...Whenever I first my return x amount of years and I think I was up against EW, and very same game I made the mistake of assuming what the roles were but disregarding a GF. Very few if any commented, but it turned out, at that time DJ was the GF who was previously cleared. (I want to note that what happened a previous game many years ago vs now are so close to impossible, you'd have better luck at the powerball).

Either way, a playstyle of lurking is still going to be an unknown variable. I'd rather have that not be. You, Homer and Traf and the unknowns currently, you the most scummy, whether you want to argue that or not, I hardly think there is much up for debate other than playstyle, I guess.

[Loose Canon]

OK so I have to read that as Doubling Down Soap

Charle according to your claimed role, is it a 1 time shot, limited shot or unlimited?

[hjelp]

A claim made that isn’t a PR and is vanilla having added an extra intel like the claim made by LC, is a ”safe” false claim since there is no way to counterclaim the intel given.

…
Cold Probability 1;
Ragian has by intention or error allowed 3 or 4 vanillas to convert themselves into confirmed town masons.
Much more likely is they are not confirmed and Mafia was provided with a safe fake flower claim.
…

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Its perhaps not surprising Loose was the first to put his hand up and get the right answer as he is a prize winning maths student who won his scholarship here.

His prize on entering this high school was the knowledge the classes started with 9 good guys and 3 baddies.

@LC
Why did you debate the numbers when you know from the start?

[Charle]

We should look at the wall flowers claimed on D2 IMHO.

[homer_jay]

geez, sure i started slow.. but i've posted considerably more than traf. not sure why i'm still being lumped in with him.

with all the back and forth happening, i remain stuck on charle. if i'm wrong on that and he ends up being a "good kid" teacher then i get that it'll make me look very suspicious. but that's a risk i'm willing to take.

LC - all those percentages you laid out.. you aren't at least 50% on anybody?

[Loose Canon]

No homer im not more than 50% on anyone.
But theres still time for a d2 redcheck on anyone to emerge. Theres still time for a d2 movement/tracker counterclaim on charle to come forward.

Hjelp i opened discussion on game set up d1 but noone was interested. When i did so i was then thinking bad guys might comprise 2 mafia 1 thirdparty serial shooter. Now heavily 3 straight mafia.

Going back to my %s im trying to probe around the wallflowers starting with but not exclusively dds.

[Charle]

OK so I have to read that as Doubling Down Soap

Charle according to your claimed role, is it a 1 time shot, limited shot or unlimited?

LC, I dont want to reveal that kind of info. If i live tomorrow, we will have some info, but I do not want scum to know whether there is another shot or not.

[HottBunnie]

*Bunny’s feeling a bit better now that DJF let her borrow his weed vape pen and pulls out a little art diagram with arrows and circles going everywhere*

All right check this out guys the only three people not voting our Traf Charles and LC

*She pulls out the poster board and sets it prominently on the white board with a couple of pieces of tape from the teachers desk. It should be noted the way she organized it it kinda reminds us of a map*


Traf never voted
LC voted for homer and djf
And Charle voted for djf


Scum 101 what they look like:


Kind 1 the Silent Type

Will post like three or four times never gives any info never votes has posts just enough to not be evicted:

Traf vibes

Kind 2 The Leader

Creates or endorses a mysterious persona perhaps one of authority. Speaks only with authority and rarely gets involved with the squabbles of the group. When they do it is to sow confusion doubt and create delays. Perhaps even has made up powers that will end up disclosing useless but perhaps true information.

Charle vibes

Kind 3 the Snake in the Grass or Wolf in Sheeps Clothing

This one if very friendly and plays well with others usually. They are active and seemingly part of the group. They go out of their way to befriend specific individuals of town. They may even have a roll that while not the same seems true enough to be able to relate and work closely with the group as a whole. If attacked they may point to the more admirable qualities of theirs to help keep others off their trail.


The perfect roll for someone who might also be known as a Loose Cannon

*Bunny looks around the class after having read her diagram. The class looks intrigued.*

Hopefully we can move forward on something soon I guess right now we should try to pick a direction and move on it. I think the scum are squirming and worried that all they can do now is attempt to divide us. Also so far I see no scum reasoning for Dev, at least not since their last post set me at ease. With hardly any voting record its awful hard to ignore the rest.

[DirtyDishSoap]

If a deadline is later imposed, I'll be happy to go either Charle or Loose. I'm not completely sold on Traf.

[Loose Canon]

I do like the post Bunny.

I do seem to have difficulty making real friends in this class - perhaps I should have tried harder to blend in with the Wallflowers. Even if that would have made me town fake not town authentic.
I am who I am though - you wouldn't want me to change would you?

OI DDS see you have just fast posted - answer my questions.

[Loose Canon]

2 questions, 1 question/observation while i digest that;

Charle will you be able to requeat movement information again?

Dds why did you speculate charle would claim weak tracker?
I read his d1 as a prelude to a detective claim.

Observation & question;
Amongst so many wallflowers movement info might be the best shot at finding which isnt.
Is there a movement counterclaim though, because if so theres a good chance if you come forward any protective will save you break 2?

The above DDS

[Loose Canon]

Permission to stand up and speak to the class Mr Sinclair.
Well Im going to anyway.

Principal Ragian is an experienced some would say weathered others would say old fart of mafia both as a player and mod.

Its unlikely hed give flavour to vanilla townies without a hint of that to mafia too. Perhaps even a fake safe vanilla town claim.

Djf is a bit self congratulatory that max picked up his breadcrumbing.

A mafia max would be smart enough to have made his he already did claim acknowledgment.

No "vanilla" townies are clear.

Or you're attempting to downplay/eliminate any breadcrumbs because scum lack that information.

Or Im not the one giving out hall passes

Preceding the above little D1 exchange between DDS and me, DDS had insisted this is a vanilla game, and there was more where we were both arguing differently.
He is pot committed to his position but its a 20-1 shot looked at objectively.
The game is about sorting out the true from the fake vanillas - anything else is 5% probability mod flaw.
Max's reveal gave the standard your only power is your vote - not true when also Wallflower quasi mason flavour added in.
Mafia has to have equal or more counteracting power for every power given to town - mods know this - an unbalanced game is a mods worst nightmare.
Power to deceive themselves into blending in with wallflowers has to be given with everything DDS has run with.

Wake up everyone.

[HottBunnie]

This argument about things that happened on day one is reminiscent of when someone from any platform brings up a concern about a Trump policy to a Trump supporter,and then they immediately begin to talk about something Biden did a long time ago


Lol wake up haha

im woke believe me

[DirtyDishSoap]

BuT mY cAnDiDaTe CaNt Be BaD! LoOk At ThE oThEr GuY!