Conquer Club

Posted: **Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:29 pm**

Sounds good.

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:34 am**

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Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:49 pm**

Some analysis from the xml checker:

Neutral Starts
Julia Caesaris <2> Julia Major <2> Dictator Julius Caesar <4> Octavia Minor <2> Emperor Augustus <5> Livia Drusilla <2> Julia The Elder <2> Emperor Tiberius <5> Livilla <2> Emperor Claudius <5> Emperor Caligula <5> Drusilla <2> Agrippinella <2> Emperor Nero <5> Ceres [2] <3> Mars [2] <3> Jove [2] <3> Juno [2] <3>

Emperor Augustus <5> ==> Julia The Elder <2> Scribonia Livia Drusilla <2> Dictator Julius Caesar <4> Emperor Tiberius <5> Octavia Minor <2> Atia Caesonia Gaius Octavius Jove [2] <3> Juno [2] <3> Mars [2] <3> Ceres [2] <3>

Emperor Augustus starts with 5 neutral.
He can attack 13 terts.

Dictator Julius Caesar <4> ==> Calpurnia Pompeia Sulla Cornelia Cinna Cleopatra VII Emperor Augustus <5> Julia Julia Major <2> Proconsol Caesar Aurelia Cotta

Dictator Julius Caesar starts with 4 neutral
He can attack 9 terts

Livia Drusilla <2> ==> Aufidia Lucro Marcus Claudianus Tiberius C Nero Emperor Augustus <5> Emperor Tiberius <5> Drusus
__> Marcellus Marcus V Agrippa Julia The Elder <2> Vipsania Julia Lucius Caesar Germanicus Gaius Caesar

Livia Drusilla starts with 2 neutral
She can attack 12 terts

Emperor Tiberius <5> ==> Julia The Elder <2> Vipsania Germanicus Livia Drusilla <2> Castor Drusus Drusus Tiberius C Nero Emperor Augustus <5> Jove [2] <3> Juno [2] <3> Mars [2] <3> Ceres [2] <3>

Emperor Tiberius starts with 5 neutral
He can attack 12 terts

Emperor Caligula <5> ==> Caesonia Julia Drusilla Agrippina Germanicus Drusilla <2> Drusus Caesar Nero Caesar Julia Livilla Agrippinella <2> Jove [2] <3> Juno [2] <3> Mars [2] <3> Ceres [2] <3>

Emperor Caligula starts 5 neutral
He can attack 13 terts

Emperor Claudius <5> ==> Agrippinella <2> Messalina Britanicus Claudia Octavia Drusus Antonia Germanicus Livilla <2> Jove [2] <3> Juno [2] <3> Mars [2] <3> Ceres [2] <3>

Emperor Claudius starts 5 neutral
He can attack 13 terts

My question from this is: do we need to increase Livia Drusilla to 5 neutral also. She is very powerful with those poison figs.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:57 pm**

cairnswk wrote:Dictator Julius Caesar <4> ==> Calpurnia Pompeia Sulla Cornelia Cinna Cleopatra VII Emperor Augustus <5> Julia Julia Major <2> Proconsol Caesar Aurelia Cotta

julius caesar can't attack julia major.

ian.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:02 pm**

iancanton wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Dictator Julius Caesar <4> ==> Calpurnia Pompeia Sulla Cornelia Cinna Cleopatra VII Emperor Augustus <5> Julia Julia Major <2> Proconsol Caesar Aurelia Cotta
julius caesar can't attack julia major.

ian.

Looks like he can to me.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:04 pm**

The Neon Peon wrote:
iancanton wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Dictator Julius Caesar <4> ==> Calpurnia Pompeia Sulla Cornelia Cinna Cleopatra VII Emperor Augustus <5> Julia Julia Major <2> Proconsol Caesar Aurelia Cotta
julius caesar can't attack julia major.

ian.
Looks like he can to me.

Doesn't he have to go through Proconsul Caesar and Aurelia Cotta?

.44

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:13 pm**

Family Unit Bonus
requires husband, wife, & all
children; all border each other

Right off the map... "all border each other"

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:24 am**

the.killing.44 wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:
iancanton wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Dictator Julius Caesar <4> ==> Calpurnia Pompeia Sulla Cornelia Cinna Cleopatra VII Emperor Augustus <5> Julia Julia Major <2> Proconsol Caesar Aurelia Cotta
julius caesar can't attack julia major.

ian.
Looks like he can to me.
Doesn't he have to go through Proconsul Caesar and Aurelia Cotta?

.44

Dict. J Caesar is Julia Major's brother...
Therefore because he is part of the family and...

The Neon Peon wrote:
Family Unit Bonus
requires husband, wife, & all
children; all border each other
Right off the map... "all border each other"

all those family members border each other, yes he can attack Julia Major.

Now my original question was: do we need to increase Livia Drusilla to 5 neutral also. She is very powerful with those poison figs.

Livia Drusilla <2> ==> Aufidia Lucro Marcus Claudianus Tiberius C Nero Emperor Augustus <5> Emperor Tiberius <5> Drusus
__> Marcellus Marcus V Agrippa Julia The Elder <2> Vipsania Julia Lucius Caesar Germanicus Gaius Caesar

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:50 am**

She definitely needs more than 2... but her lack of access to the gods makes her less powerful than the emperors...

C.

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:49 am**

yeti_c wrote:She definitely needs more than 2... but her lack of access to the gods makes her less powerful than the emperors...
C.

4 then???

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:00 pm**

The Neon Peon wrote:Family Unit Bonus
requires husband, wife, & all
children; all border each other

ah, that changes a few things! the agrippina with germanicus family bonus will have to go up to at least 8 because of the sheer number of places that can launch an attack on that family unit. i'll check whether any other bonuses need adjusting.

cairnswk wrote:Now my original question was: do we need to increase Livia Drusilla to 5 neutral also. She is very powerful with those poison figs.

i think 2 neutral is enough, perhaps 3 at most. livia drusilla can potentially poison 7 people but, in 1v1, only 2 or 3 of these will be enemies at the start, though this increases to 3 or 4 in 2v2.

ian.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:11 pm**

It's a powerful enough terit that I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it start as a 5... how about we split the difference, have it start as a 4, and force whoever wants to take it to make at least two rolls against two defender dice?

Posted: **Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:19 pm**

yeti_c wrote:She definitely needs more than 2... but her lack of access to the gods makes her less powerful than the emperors...C.

iancanton wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:Family Unit Bonus
requires husband, wife, & all
children; all border each other
ah, that changes a few things! the agrippina with germanicus family bonus will have to go up to at least 8 because of the sheer number of places that can launch an attack on that family unit. i'll check whether any other bonuses need adjusting.

cairnswk wrote:Now my original question was: do we need to increase Livia Drusilla to 5 neutral also. She is very powerful with those poison figs.
i think 2 neutral is enough, perhaps 3 at most. livia drusilla can potentially poison 7 people but, in 1v1, only 2 or 3 of these will be enemies at the start, though this increases to 3 or 4 in 2v2.
ian.

Incandenza wrote:It's a powerful enough terit that I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it start as a 5... how about we split the difference, have it start as a 4, and force whoever wants to take it to make at least two rolls against two defender dice?

Yes, i agree with 4 on Livia Drusilla.
And I'll change that Agrippina-Germanicus bonus to 8.
Thanks guys.

Posted: **Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:13 pm**

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<territory>
  <name>Livia Drusilla</name>
	<borders>
	<border>Aufidia Lucro</border>
	<border>Marcus Claudianus</border>
	<border>Tiberius C Nero</border>
	<border>Emperor Augustus</border>
	<border>Emperor Tiberius</border>
	<border>Drusus</border>
	</borders>
	   <bombardments>
		<bombardment>Marcellus</bombardment>
		<bombardment>Marcus V Agrippa</bombardment>
		<bombardment>Julia The Elder</bombardment>
		<bombardment>Vipsania Julia</bombardment>
		<bombardment>Lucius Caesar</bombardment>
		<bombardment>Germanicus</bombardment>
		<bombardment>Gaius Caesar</bombardment>
	   </bombardments>
		<coordinates>
			<smallx>442</smallx>
			<smally>298</smally>
			<largex>562</largex>
			<largey>373</largey>
		</coordinates>
<neutral>4</neutral>
</territory>

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<continent>
  <name>Family Agrippina and Germanicus</name>
  <bonus>8</bonus>
	<components>
	<territory>Drusilla</territory>
	<territory>Emperor Caligula</territory>
	<territory>Julia Livilla</territory>
	<territory>Nero Caesar</territory>
	<territory>Drusus Caesar</territory>
	</components>
</continent>

Version 35.

Posted: **Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:41 am**

The Neon Peon wrote:Family Unit Bonus
requires husband, wife, & all
children; all border each other

this will undoubtedly catch out quite a few players. is it worth highlighting "all border each other" in bold?

iancanton wrote:i'll check whether any other bonuses need adjusting.

larger bonuses for some families that include emperors will provide good counterplay against a player who has broken through to the gods from nero, who is snugly hidden away in the corner: they include drusus with antonia +7 (currently +6), livia drusilla with tiberius c nero +5 (currently +3) and gaius octavius with atia caesonia +5 (i'm unsure why this is currently only +1).

cairnswk wrote:Yes, i agree with 4 on Livia Drusilla.

so does everyone else, and i can see why, so i'll consider myself overruled on this one.

i'm happy that the connections provide enough routes between different parts of the family tree to offset the large number of dead-ends, so have no intention of asking for any changes to the current layout.

ian.

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:50 pm**

The red of the adoption bonus looks out of place compared to all of the gradients and textures present on the rest of the map. Is there any way you could graphically spruce them up?

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:50 pm**

iancanton wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:Family Unit Bonus
requires husband, wife, & all
children; all border each other
this will undoubtedly catch out quite a few players. is it worth highlighting "all border each other" in bold?

Done

iancanton wrote:i'll check whether any other bonuses need adjusting.

larger bonuses for some families that include emperors will provide good counterplay against a player who has broken through to the gods from nero, who is snugly hidden away in the corner: they include drusus with antonia +7 (currently +6), livia drusilla with tiberius c nero +5 (currently +3) and gaius octavius with atia caesonia +5 (i'm unsure why this is currently only +1). [/quote]
Ian. i'm not happy changing livia and tiberius to +5, i would prefer to leave as plus three because you've just increased the drusus and antonio bonus to +7 and drusus is part of the livia-tiberius family, plus that would alos courteract the high neutral bonus we';ve just placed on livia drusilla.
Other are done though.

cairnswk wrote:Yes, i agree with 4 on Livia Drusilla.

so does everyone else, and i can see why, so i'll consider myself overruled on this one.

i'm happy that the connections provide enough routes between different parts of the family tree to offset the large number of dead-ends, so have no intention of asking for any changes to the current layout.
ian.

Good, and thanks

TaCktiX wrote:The red of the adoption bonus looks out of place compared to all of the gradients and textures present on the rest of the map. Is there any way you could graphically spruce them up?

TaC...i'm happy with these as is I want them different so that they can be seen to be a different connection altogether.

I'd also like to split this map shortly as i feel it is very close to being at development's end.
Please post any last requests before this happens.

Version 36 below.

Click image to enlarge.

http://h1.ripway.com/cairnswk/_poison_rome.xml

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:36 am**

cairnswk wrote:Ian. i'm not happy changing livia and tiberius to +5, i would prefer to leave as plus three because you've just increased the drusus and antonio bonus to +7 and drusus is part of the livia-tiberius family, plus that would alos courteract the high neutral bonus we';ve just placed on livia drusilla.

u're correct on both points. +3 it is, to avoid livia drusilla being overpowerful.

cairnswk wrote:I'd also like to split this map shortly as i feel it is very close to being at development's end.

concur.

ian.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:01 am**

iancanton wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Ian. i'm not happy changing livia and tiberius to +5, i would prefer to leave as plus three because you've just increased the drusus and antonio bonus to +7 and drusus is part of the livia-tiberius family, plus that would alos courteract the high neutral bonus we';ve just placed on livia drusilla.
u're correct on both points. +3 it is, to avoid livia drusilla being overpowerful.

cairnswk wrote:I'd also like to split this map shortly as i feel it is very close to being at development's end.
concur.

ian.

Wow, thanks Ian,
And thanks to all those who have helped work on this one.
I am going to be very interested to see how this plays out.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:22 pm**

Give me a bell when you have properly split the maps cairns and I will take a look for you

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:38 pm**

gimil wrote:Give me a bell when you have properly split the maps cairns and I will take a look for you

Ah no Gimil....I have a large and small version up there....i'm not properly splitting the map until all the graphic issues have be done and it is stamped...you know i don't work like that.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:14 pm**

cairnswk wrote:
gimil wrote:Give me a bell when you have properly split the maps cairns and I will take a look for you
Ah no Gimil....I have a large and small version up there....i'm not properly splitting the map until all the graphic issues have be done and it is stamped...you know i don't work like that.

Then how do you work out large map issues without the split?

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:07 pm**

gimil wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
gimil wrote:Give me a bell when you have properly split the maps cairns and I will take a look for you
Ah no Gimil....I have a large and small version up there....i'm not properly splitting the map until all the graphic issues have be done and it is stamped...you know i don't work like that.
Then how do you work out large map issues without the split?

The large map is merely an upsize from small to large size, with adjustments for the size of the army shadow box/circle. Therefore i get all issues done on the small map before splitting the map.

Posted: **Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:04 am**

Awaiting a graphic stamp before properly splitting the map.

Click image to enlarge.

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:54 am**

Ok, cairns. Onwards and upwards!

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