[GL] Game Log 2.0

[agentcom]

This is more or less what I agree with. If I am playing a 4+ player game with fog, and decide to trim a stack without taking it, I don't want others to have access to that info since it could remove any advantage I was trying to gain by attacking without conquering.

But if a player is attacked by someone else it is completely logical that the defender will receive a report saying that he was attacked, by whom, and how many casualties the attack caused. If you were watching at that present moment you would get that info, so this should be in the log.

I agree that this info is not needed once the game has finished. Would be nice to have it to study the game and so, but it's not vital.

Yeah, part of this part of the Game Log stuff is the premise that you shouldn't suffer a disadvantage just because you aren't constantly checking your turns constantly. I understand the "sneak attack" thing and I've done it myself. But just because you can do it in the current system doesn't mean that it's the best way of doing things.

[ender516]

Perhaps the storage problems could be reduced if the extra information (precise troop counts) was held only until the game was archived. The archived log could simply state that an attack was made. I imagine this would simply involve dropping certain columns from the data. An additional nice feature would allow the user to save a small number of the games in full on the site, or an unlimited number offline, with a tool to load and review them. Make some or all of that a premium perk.

This is more or less what I agree with. If I am playing a 4+ player game with fog, and decide to trim a stack without taking it, I don't want others to have access to that info since it could remove any advantage I was trying to gain by attacking without conquering.

You may have misunderstood my intended point. The detailed information would be available during the game and until it was archived, at which time it would be condensed. So, sorry, your sneakiness would be spelled out for all to see. And as OliverFA said, a keen observer could detect this anyway, either by watching while you play or comparing snapshots. Granted, in a fog game, only the victim and those within range could see your work -- the less involved would be oblivious now, but not with the detailed log -- except all they would see is that ?? attacked ?? and lost ?? troops.

[Metsfanmax]

Merged in three topics asking for more detailed log information.

[spiesr]

MERGED:

• Mention Failed Attacks In Gamelog?
• Advanced game history
• Game log detail
• Game log recording attacks
• .:Game Log Update:.
• Recording attacks other than those that result in victory.
• Extended Game Log
• The log should list all attacks
• Show armies lost for both sides during attacks in game log

[Luke09]

Nice post !

[Eddygp]

Not a fan.

[JamesKer1]

This suggestion is currently pending review by the Features Panel.

[ender516]

Good to hear. So many great ideas could be realized with this as the basis.

[Donelladan]

This suggestion is currently pending review by the Features Panel.

It means that if the Features Panel, meaning 10 persons, agree, this suggestion will be implemented ?

Might we know what you are exactly discussing ?

For exmaple, from OP

Example of failed attack: spiesr assaulted Cuba from Mexico losing 5 troops and jonty125 defended losing 2

Giving this kind of information would change completely the gameplay.

In a fog game would it be :


1)Example of failed attack: spiesr assaulted ? from ? losing 5 troops and jonty125 defended losing 2

2)Example of failed attack: spiesr assaulted ? from ? losing ? troops and jonty125 defended losing ?

3)Example of failed attack: spiesr assaulted Cuba from Mexico losing ? troops and jonty125 defended losing ?

4)Example of failed attack: spiesr assaulted ? from ? losing ? troops and ? defended losing ?

Only the 4th would be imo acceptable. And still I wouldn't like it to be changed. Reducing a territory does not appear in the log and that's a good thing !

Sometimes you attack someone, but this someone doesn't know who attacked him, that is a nice part of the game play. In Fog game it has to be kept that way. In sunny game you might argue that since it's sunny it should be in the log, I don't like it but why not.


Hope feature panel consider all the implications of such a change.

Also, I do not think community is really asking for that change. It hasn't been asked so many times and if it hasn't been done in the first place it might have been for good reason.

100% against it ! Vote no !

[ztodd]

I vote yes!

[nietzsche]

well?


complete log could be available only when the game ends, to allow for replay.

log can be stored in raw mode, instead of unicode/ascii, so no big deal with disk space.

CC won't have to code the replay function, plenty of guys around that would do it if a complete log was available.

[DoomYoshi]

I think there is a Replay function on the Triqqy version of RISK. My guess is that the idea is to make that the new game version in some far off future.