dangerous 9-11 truthers?

[AAFitz]

That's why I put "of the myriad reasons" - because I don't think it's the only reason to doubt a conspiracy, just one of the myriad reasons. In any event, because I have been pooh-poohed twice now, I'm going to defend my position (mostly because I'm a little frustrated that you both haven chosen to ignore things in my original post like "of the myriad reasons" and "it would be far more damaging to the US").

If terrorists organizations hate the US and the US government, logically speaking they would want to damage the US and the US government as much as possible. A terrorist attack like 9/11 caused the US to target certain terrorists, namely the group that took responsibility for the attack, in an attack on Afghanistan. Therefore, while it certainly damaged the psyche, lives, and buildings of the US, the attack also resulted in a base of power taken away from the terrorists. Overall, I would say the terrorists accomplished little towards their goals.

If on the other hand, the attack was planned and carried out and/or supported by the US government, from a terrorists' perspective, it would be far more damaging to the psyche of the average US citizen to know that no terrorist organization has taken credit (when, as snorri indicated, terrorists take credit for anything and everything). If no terrorist organization took credit, the average American might have more reason to believe that the US government was behind the attacks, rather than terrorists. This would make many Americans distrust the government, at the least, which would be much more damaging than for us to think a terrorist planned and executed the attacks. This scenario would do far more for the terrorists' goals than a simple attack on the US. It has been shown that bin Laden is a smart dude, so if he hadn't planned the attacks, and he figured out that it would have been far more damaging had Americans believed the US government planned the attacks, he would not have taken credit for the attacks.

Well, I am sorry. I didnt ignore it, I read it, and understood you meant it was only part of it, but I did assume it was the cherry on the top too, not just part of the puzzle. I only was pointing out why someone taking credit for it, from an investigative stance, doesnt really shed any light. Simply put, you cant trust anything like that after the fact, to indicate anything, because it is so easily manipulated. Further, to speculate that he wouldnt have taken credit, simply based on the idea that the public may have assumed the government planned the attacks, isnt secure either. Its just as likely that he thought taking credit for them would actually incriminate the US government. If anything, I think his taking credit for them as much makes it suspicious. But thats just one way of looking at it. My point was more, that it shouldnt be considered, simply because it can be consistent with any scenario.

[demonfork]

The entire case for a 9/11 conspiracy is won with just one piece of evidence...

WTC7

I challenge anyone to come up with one valid explanation for why this building collapsed, other than by controlled demolition.

[Woodruff]

Maybe that can be a new CC rule - "Players shall not use other players' avatars."

It seems to me that it would fall under the "intentionally annoying" rule.

[owheelj]

The entire case for a 9/11 conspiracy is won with just one piece of evidence...

WTC7

I challenge anyone to come up with one valid explanation for why this building collapsed, other than by controlled demolition.

Done;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0229593250

I challenge anybody who believes in the 9/11 conspiracy to come up with a reasonable motive for demolishing the WT7 building.

A better source;

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Edit; Basically there was a massive fire that burned for 6 hours and it was hit by one of the perimeter columns from the WT1 building when it collapsed.

Here is a good photo illustrating the size of the fire;

[Iliad]

Maybe that can be a new CC rule - "Players shall not use other players' avatars."

Starting immediately by perma banning certain people, leaving others who did the exact same thing alone.

Anyway-old troll is old.

[Dancing Mustard]

Maybe that can be a new CC rule - "Players shall not use other players' avatars."

Starting immediately by perma banning certain people, leaving others who did the exact same thing alone.

Don't be ridiculous! This is CC, that would never happen here.

[Woodruff]

Maybe that can be a new CC rule - "Players shall not use other players' avatars."

Starting immediately by perma banning certain people, leaving others who did the exact same thing alone.

Anyway-old troll is old.

Hmmm...so you're a multi of whom?

[Snorri1234]

Maybe that can be a new CC rule - "Players shall not use other players' avatars."

Starting immediately by perma banning certain people, leaving others who did the exact same thing alone.

Anyway-old troll is old.

Hmmm...so you're a multi of whom?

Why would he be a multi?

[Dancing Mustard]

Who? Iliad? He's been here for years...

[Woodruff]

Maybe that can be a new CC rule - "Players shall not use other players' avatars."

Starting immediately by perma banning certain people, leaving others who did the exact same thing alone.

Anyway-old troll is old.

Hmmm...so you're a multi of whom?

Why would he be a multi?

That was my sarcastic way of commenting on what appeared to be his clear and present bitterness with the subject.

[notyou2]

It will be sad for you folks, when you finally realize that your beloved liberal and neo con governments are not looking out for you, but them selves. When you realize that they sold out the greater good for vast amounts of campaign contributions. When they realized that they had the power to turn on you and you had the power to do nothing, not even to realize it.

The white rider of the west has been released... that was Bush... the red rider is about to take peace from the earth... He is Kim Jong Il. He will lose his nukes before the end of the year. It will be dire... It has all been fortold... it has all been planned.

You forgot the most sinister and dire horseman of them all - the dreaded low rider from south of the border. He will take our jobs first, and then our women, with his lascivious Latin version of hot monkey love. After that, no one will care and we will surrender to the Canadians.


Honibaz

And your first on our list to subjugate b k barunt. Us Canadians know where you live, where you work, the car you drive, and the route you take.....beware the Canadian Conspiracy.

[jonesthecurl]

So why did you PM me to say that I could be the first to surrender? Fickle bastards, the Canadians.

[captain.crazy]

...and the burning that continued for days, could simply have been a result of the lack of oxygen and remaining fuel sources covered by two 1000 buildings.

Except that you cannot have fire without oxygen.

[muy_thaiguy]

It will be sad for you folks, when you finally realize that your beloved liberal and neo con governments are not looking out for you, but them selves. When you realize that they sold out the greater good for vast amounts of campaign contributions. When they realized that they had the power to turn on you and you had the power to do nothing, not even to realize it.

The white rider of the west has been released... that was Bush... the red rider is about to take peace from the earth... He is Kim Jong Il. He will lose his nukes before the end of the year. It will be dire... It has all been fortold... it has all been planned.

Wasn't GW Bush born in Connecticut?

[HapSmo19]

This has always interested me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzbVn3o8 ... re=related

Funny we never saw any investigation by our hard-hitting news channels on what type of plane(military or passenger) that is exactly. I mean, this is actually solid evidence.....of something

[b.k. barunt]

It will be sad for you folks, when you finally realize that your beloved liberal and neo con governments are not looking out for you, but them selves. When you realize that they sold out the greater good for vast amounts of campaign contributions. When they realized that they had the power to turn on you and you had the power to do nothing, not even to realize it.

The white rider of the west has been released... that was Bush... the red rider is about to take peace from the earth... He is Kim Jong Il. He will lose his nukes before the end of the year. It will be dire... It has all been fortold... it has all been planned.

You forgot the most sinister and dire horseman of them all - the dreaded low rider from south of the border. He will take our jobs first, and then our women, with his lascivious Latin version of hot monkey love. After that, no one will care and we will surrender to the Canadians.


Honibaz

And your first on our list to subjugate b k barunt. Us Canadians know where you live, where you work, the car you drive, and the route you take.....beware the Canadian Conspiracy.

4 reasons why you need to revamp your intelligence network:

1) No one knows where i live, as my mail is sent to my house that burned down in November (the mailbox is still there).

2) I'm not working right now, which should be obvious by the amount of time i spend here.

3) I ride a bike (that's motorcycle for you ignorant Canucks) and haven't owned a car since 1979.

4) There's 2 warrants out on me right now, so i never take the same route.


Honibaz

[xelabale]

It will be sad for you folks, when you finally realize that your beloved liberal and neo con governments are not looking out for you, but them selves. When you realize that they sold out the greater good for vast amounts of campaign contributions. When they realized that they had the power to turn on you and you had the power to do nothing, not even to realize it.

The white rider of the west has been released... that was Bush... the red rider is about to take peace from the earth... He is Kim Jong Il. He will lose his nukes before the end of the year. It will be dire... It has all been fortold... it has all been planned.

You forgot the most sinister and dire horseman of them all - the dreaded low rider from south of the border. He will take our jobs first, and then our women, with his lascivious Latin version of hot monkey love. After that, no one will care and we will surrender to the Canadians.


Honibaz

And your first on our list to subjugate b k barunt. Us Canadians know where you live, where you work, the car you drive, and the route you take.....beware the Canadian Conspiracy.

4 reasons why you need to revamp your intelligence network:

1) No one knows where i live, as my mail is sent to my house that burned down in November (the mailbox is still there).

2) I'm not working right now, which should be obvious by the amount of time i spend here.

3) I ride a bike (that's motorcycle for you ignorant Canucks) and haven't owned a car since 1979.

4) There's 2 warrants out on me right now, so i never take the same route.


Honibaz

I can see you.

[Dublanous1]

Well, I believe the world will end in 2012, not really the "end" but a new time, humans will become different, well, the mayans predicted it and they predicted things like WWII and 9/11 (of course they didn't say a plane will crash into 2 buildings) but they said some form of: "Something bad is going to happen" if they were right then, why wouldn't they be right about the "end of the world"

[Dancing Mustard]

the mayans predicted it and they predicted things like WWII and 9/11 (of course they didn't say a plane will crash into 2 buildings) but they said some form of: "Something bad is going to happen"

Name a single year in human history in which that prediction would not have been true. "Something Bad Will Happen" my arse, pull the other one, it's got bells on it.

Mayan Calender tinfoil millinery is 100% pure bullshit. A classic case of cave-dudes throwing mud at walls and modern men being startled that some of it vaguely stuck.

Anyway, to serious matters: Dublanous, I have a bridge in London that I'd like to sell to you.

[Snorri1234]

Well, I believe the world will end in 2012, not really the "end" but a new time, humans will become different, well, the mayans predicted it

The Mayans predicted nothing. They just made a calendar and every time it ran out they just made a new one.

Hell, they made dates for stuff like ceremonies that would happen well after 2012.

[thegreekdog]

I predict something bad will happen tomorrow...

[Frigidus]

Well, I believe the world will end in 2012, not really the "end" but a new time, humans will become different, well, the mayans predicted it

The Mayans predicted nothing. They just made a calendar and every time it ran out they just made a new one.

Hell, they made dates for stuff like ceremonies that would happen well after 2012.

The 2012 end-of-the-world stuff is just symptom #24759 of the apocalyptic version of Christianity that's been with this country since the Puritans decided it would be a good place to bunker down, as it was totally about to happen, the evidence was everywhere.

[captain.crazy]

Well, I believe the world will end in 2012, not really the "end" but a new time, humans will become different, well, the mayans predicted it

The Mayans predicted nothing. They just made a calendar and every time it ran out they just made a new one.

Hell, they made dates for stuff like ceremonies that would happen well after 2012.

The 2012 end-of-the-world stuff is just symptom #24759 of the apocalyptic version of Christianity that's been with this country since the Puritans decided it would be a good place to bunker down, as it was totally about to happen, the evidence was everywhere.

And yet, one world government, church, and all of that stuff is happening now. Satan is said to control the world's food supply... that is happening too.

[Snorri1234]

And yet, one world government,

Why is this one world government so inefficient at it's control then?

church,

There is a one world church?

and all of that stuff is happening now.

All that stuff?

Satan is said to control the world's food supply... that is happening too.

The f*ck?

[Woodruff]

Well, I believe the world will end in 2012, not really the "end" but a new time, humans will become different, well, the mayans predicted it

The Mayans predicted nothing. They just made a calendar and every time it ran out they just made a new one.

Hell, they made dates for stuff like ceremonies that would happen well after 2012.

The 2012 end-of-the-world stuff is just symptom #24759 of the apocalyptic version of Christianity that's been with this country since the Puritans decided it would be a good place to bunker down, as it was totally about to happen, the evidence was everywhere.

And yet, one world government, church, and all of that stuff is happening now. Satan is said to control the world's food supply... that is happening too.

Prove that Satan is controlling the world's food supply.