Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

[Qwert]

news: US send troops to Poland-Lithania- Estonia and Latvia.
First 150 troops arrive to Poland and expect 450 more to come.
This going to press Putin to abandon option for military intervention into Ukraine.

[saxitoxin]

The Dutch managed to get a couple of their ancient F-16s into the air and sent them lumbering after Russian Air Force Tu-95s that flew, unchallenged, right over the Netherlands yesterday. Good thing for the Dutch that Russia's intents were peaceful, otherwise there would be no more Netherlands this morning. Europe would be well advised to keep in mind their total defenselessness before they start making threats against Russia.

The same year the Dutch Air Force F-16s went into service:

• - The Color Purple had just won the Oscar for Best Picture
  - Microsoft released Windows 1.0
  - the CD is introduced in the U.S.
  - "The Golden Girls" began airing in the U.S.
  - George Michael's "Careless Whisper" was the #1 song
  

[muy_thaiguy]

Ah, typical USSR propaganda here. "No, Russia not bad! We only try to reconquer a soveriegn nation because some people there are Russian!" "Putin, not bad, only trying to start a conflict in order to recreate the USSR because he's former KGB and only knows armed conflict!"

Not saying US proganda is any good, but come on.

[Jmac1026]

I've never been more happy to live a few miles away from a major military base. I will be completely obliterated in nuclear fire loooong before any of you assholes are forced to starve to death in the coming nuclear winter.

[GoranZ]

The same year the Dutch Air Force F-16s went into service:

• - The Color Purple had just won the Oscar for Best Picture
  - Microsoft released Windows 1.0
  - the CD is introduced in the U.S.
  - "The Golden Girls" began airing in the U.S.
  - George Michael's "Careless Whisper" was the #1 song
  

I'll add Tu-95 become adult

Its scary to be scarred by 60 years old plane

Ah, typical USSR propaganda here. "No, Russia not bad! We only try to reconquer a soveriegn nation because some people there are Russian!" "Putin, not bad, only trying to start a conflict in order to recreate the USSR because he's former KGB and only knows armed conflict!"

Not saying US proganda is any good, but come on.

Remember Cuba? Why US denies that sovereign country its right to exist?
Bonus... How Western media fabricate events


Very bad moments for Ukrainians and Russians

[muy_thaiguy]

Not talking about Cuba, and I admitted that US propaganda is bad too. But Russian propaganda is just as bad, if not worse.

[saxitoxin]

The same year the Dutch Air Force F-16s went into service:

• - The Color Purple had just won the Oscar for Best Picture
  - Microsoft released Windows 1.0
  - the CD is introduced in the U.S.
  - "The Golden Girls" began airing in the U.S.
  - George Michael's "Careless Whisper" was the #1 song

I'll add Tu-95 become adult

OK, I'll give you that!

[notyou2]

The same year the Dutch Air Force F-16s went into service:

• - The Color Purple had just won the Oscar for Best Picture
  - Microsoft released Windows 1.0
  - the CD is introduced in the U.S.
  - "The Golden Girls" began airing in the U.S.
  - George Michael's "Careless Whisper" was the #1 song
  

All reasons why the 80's sucked.

Saxi, this thread is about Eastern Ukraine, not the 80's. Please stick to the subject at hand.

[Qwert]

well when you look from US Military establishment, this its one great opportunity to put on test all modern war equipment.
US had huge ground for exercise in Vietnam for quite large time period, and they use many WMD who are now quite old, and after that they improve WMD. Then come Bombardment of Yugoslavia, where they notice that F-117 are not so invisible, and this give hem chance to improve this. Then come Iraq and Afghanistan Invasions,and another great ground for exercise of WMD.
But one big problems its that opponents for this exercise are to weak, and can not hurt US Army arsenal (tanks,Planes,Ships) and i think that US can not know exactly what are real strength of hes WMD.
So i think that US Military commanders rub they hands happily, because they will get great opponent for testing of tanks and Planes, opponent who can help hem to improve and to show if US war equipment have some disadvantage .
Anyone who oppose US attack on Russia are not patriot and could be consider traitor and coward , because this could boost US military industry and economical growth of US.

But US Generals have one obstacle and this its not Russia or Putin, this its US politicians who are very weak, and don't want to give green light for action.
(damn democracy kill all fun in war games)

[Baron Von PWN]

The same year the Dutch Air Force F-16s went into service:

• - The Color Purple had just won the Oscar for Best Picture
  - Microsoft released Windows 1.0
  - the CD is introduced in the U.S.
  - "The Golden Girls" began airing in the U.S.
  - George Michael's "Careless Whisper" was the #1 song
  

All reasons why the 80's sucked.

Saxi, this thread is about Eastern Ukraine, not the 80's. Please stick to the subject at hand.

Ukraine is a time machine to the 80's saxi's posts are on topic.

[muy_thaiguy]

Looking more and more like Russia is going to, in the words of saxi and other pro-Russian supporters, "to look out for Russians that happen to live there".

Now to wait on the propaganda spin from the pro Russian guys, unless they try to deflect this and focus on something unrelated again.

[GoranZ]

Looking more and more like Russia is going to, in the words of saxi and other pro-Russian supporters, "to look out for Russians that happen to live there".

Are there significant number of Russians in Ukraine?
Are there even more significant number of native Russian speakers in Ukraine?

If any of the answers is NO, then I can ask you "Do you have brain and if you have do you use it?"

Now to wait on the propaganda spin from the pro Russian guys, unless they try to deflect this and focus on something unrelated again.

You are wasting your time waiting for us to give up Something similar can not be said for pro Western supporters(or West in general). Once the crisis in Ukraine ends western governments will find another country that doesn't fulfill western freedom standards. And that is happening so you guys will concentrate on foreign problems instead of fixing the problems West has.
In general western system is blood seeking system and that is the reason good part of us are against it

[mrswdk]

And that is happening so you guys will concentrate on foreign problems instead of fixing the problems West has.
In general western system is blood seeking system and that is the reason good part of us are against it

lolwut. And what system is Russia currently using?

[Jmac1026]

A nation should only ever act in what is seen as it's best short term or long term goals. If that system is seen as blood seeking (or whatever other bull you can pull out of your ass), then so be it.

The Russia and the U.S. are really no different in this regard anyway.

[GoranZ]

And that is happening so you guys will concentrate on foreign problems instead of fixing the problems West has.
In general western system is blood seeking system and that is the reason good part of us are against it

lolwut. And what system is Russia currently using?

What will happen in Ukraine could reflect in future situation in Russia, so Russian actions are based on third newton law

A nation should only ever act in what is seen as it's best short term or long term goals. If that system is seen as blood seeking (or whatever other bull you can pull out of your ass), then so be it.

The Russia and the U.S. are really no different in this regard anyway.

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

[DoomYoshi]

My new favorite website:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_2 ... stry-7108/

It's like a lethal dose of LSD.

[mrswdk]

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

Yeah, yeah, and Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc.? Hurbaburbaburb.

[kuthoer]

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

Yeah, yeah, and Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc.? Hurbaburbaburb.

GoranZ believes that Russia is a free country, LOL

Russia has self-serving leaders right now under the Czar Putin. He's only got Nationalism on his side to boost his ratings, as Russia is sliding into economic ruin.

The West must continue the financial squeeze on Russia to dethrone Putin and his followers.

[notyou2]

Thugs everywhere.

[saxitoxin]

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

Yeah, yeah, and Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc.? Hurbaburbaburb.

Chechnya is part of Russia, the police operation in Georgia resulted in only minor casualties compared to the British invasion of Ulster in 67, and Afghanistan was invaded by the Soviet Union led by a Ukrainian president, not Russia! Plus, had it not been for Reagan supplying guns to the mujahadin, it would have been relatively bloodless (and perfectly legal as the intervention was requested by the Afghan government).

The U.S. and the west are always at fault for everything infinity.

[GoranZ]

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

Yeah, yeah, and Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc.? Hurbaburbaburb.

GoranZ believes that Russia is a free country, LOL

Did I ever said that Russia is free or not free country? Or you just made that up?
BTW are you considering US as free country?

Russia has self-serving leaders right now under the Czar Putin. He's only got Nationalism on his side to boost his ratings, as Russia is sliding into economic ruin.

Russia under Putin has 2.5 times bigger GDP(PPP) in the last 15 years. Something similar can not be said for western countries, and especially EU. Think before you write something

The West must continue the financial squeeze on Russia to dethrone Putin and his followers.

Buahahahahahahahaha You are not very smart. US alone cant harm Russian economy and if EU does something it will hurt her 5 times more then Russia. Where would EU find gas from? Iran maybe, but at what price? 800$ including special discounts ... Russia is selling it at 400-450$
Economically it will not be cheep to financially squeeze Russia. And those money would have to come from EU which is in recession in the last 5 years.

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

Yeah, yeah, and Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc.? Hurbaburbaburb.

If Afghanistan was attacked by Russia then whole Ukraine is part of Russia

[kuthoer]

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

Yeah, yeah, and Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc.? Hurbaburbaburb.

GoranZ believes that Russia is a free country, LOL

Did I ever said that Russia is free or not free country? Or you just made that up?
BTW are you considering US as free country?

Russia has self-serving leaders right now under the Czar Putin. He's only got Nationalism on his side to boost his ratings, as Russia is sliding into economic ruin.

Russia under Putin has 2.5 times bigger GDP(PPP) in the last 15 years. Something similar can not be said for western countries, and especially EU. Think before you write something

The West must continue the financial squeeze on Russia to dethrone Putin and his followers.

Buahahahahahahahaha You are no
t very smart. US alone cant harm Russian economy and if EU does something it will hurt her 5 times more then Russia. Where would EU find gas from? Iran maybe, but at what price? 800$ including special discounts ... Russia is selling it at 400-450$
Economically it will not be cheep to financially squeeze Russia. And those money would have to come from EU which is in recession in the last 5 years.

0 casualties in taking Crimea, thousands to millions in American interventions... There is a difference

Yeah, yeah, and Georgia, Chechnya, Afghanistan etc.? Hurbaburbaburb.

If Afghanistan was attacked by Russia then whole Ukraine is part of Russia

Perhaps Czar Putin gave you a premium. You are the biggest cheerleader for expansionist Russia.

Yes USA is a free country, but Corporate America is pushing for a true oligarch society.

[GoranZ]

Perhaps Czar Putin gave you a premium. You are the biggest cheerleader for expansionist Russia.

If Putin gifted me premium it means I do good things in someones eyes. Since you cheеr for US and no one is gifting you anything it means that you do something wrong.
Alternatively if Westerner gifted me premium I must be doing something good... something doesn't apply for you obviously.
Conclusion... You are not good man for anyone jk... I know who gifted me premium, and he is Westerner

Yes USA is a free country, but Corporate America is pushing for a true oligarch society.

USA is a free country I almost died. It seems that your brain is quite brainwashed. Look at Wall Street again before you say that USA is free country.

[kuthoer]

Read my post again comrade. Coporate America is trying to turn America into a Oligarchy

[saxitoxin]

The U.S. has probably been a totalitarian oligarchy since it was founded; former Wall Street Journal reporter Ferdinand Lundberg does a good chronicling the tyrannical nature of American civic life from 1776 to present, which was solidified during the gilded age. I recommend the following books by him in which he thoroughly eviscerates the very concept of the United States:

- Cracks in the Constitution
- The Myth of Democracy
- The Depravity of Mankind