[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[degaston]

The reason the vig got killed on D1 in HP mafia was because he was inactive for most of D1 and just picked up votes for that, and then when he claimed people like Storr pushed for him to be lynched anyway. Because people still somehow believe that scummarining is a useful concept.

Vig claimed under pressure, not voluntary.
The lynch was me or the vig. So of coursed I pushed him.
He was also very inactive.

If he claimed vig with out being under pressure, no way he gets lynched.


So yeah, my point stands, a vig can easily be lynched if forced to claim.

We probably don't need to rehash it here, but the reason the vig got killed on D1 was that people couldn't see why the 3rd party (the one that put the final nail in their coffin) was the best choice for a lynch.

[StorrZerg]

The reason the vig got killed on D1 in HP mafia was because he was inactive for most of D1 and just picked up votes for that, and then when he claimed people like Storr pushed for him to be lynched anyway. Because people still somehow believe that scummarining is a useful concept.

Vig claimed under pressure, not voluntary.
The lynch was me or the vig. So of coursed I pushed him.
He was also very inactive.

If he claimed vig with out being under pressure, no way he gets lynched.


So yeah, my point stands, a vig can easily be lynched if forced to claim.

We probably don't need to rehash it here, but the reason the vig got killed on D1 was that people couldn't see why the 3rd party (the one that put the final nail in their coffin) was the best choice for a lynch.

The option was 3p vs an unknown possible mafia or town. Stop being salty about the game.

This discussion isn't doing anything helpful right now

[AladdinSane]

@AladdinSane did you mean to just vote?

Some people have fun with jokes
I have fun by winning.

Just to clarrify, since you apparantly lack all trace of a sense of humor: My vote for you was a joke vote, which proves that the joke phase isn't over. I don't have any particlar read on you one way or the ovver, at this early stage.

Joking and winning aren't muchually excloosive, you know. You can do bofe. For the record, I have a 100% win rate in my Mafia games (from 1 completed game).

[StorrZerg]

Be ready to lose then if you are not town

[Ragian]

So you voted ptlowe based on his joke vote. And your, "Yes, we should lynch ptlowe," what's that about?

That was me being serious about the vote, and that it wasn't a joke.

To which he responded, then I did as well leveling my reasons

Unhelpful.

[Metsfanmax]

The reason the vig got killed on D1 in HP mafia was because he was inactive for most of D1 and just picked up votes for that, and then when he claimed people like Storr pushed for him to be lynched anyway. Because people still somehow believe that scummarining is a useful concept.

Vig claimed under pressure, not voluntary.
The lynch was me or the vig. So of coursed I pushed him.
He was also very inactive.

If he claimed vig with out being under pressure, no way he gets lynched.


So yeah, my point stands, a vig can easily be lynched if forced to claim.

We probably don't need to rehash it here, but the reason the vig got killed on D1 was that people couldn't see why the 3rd party (the one that put the final nail in their coffin) was the best choice for a lynch.

The option was 3p vs an unknown possible mafia or town. Stop being salty about the game.

This discussion isn't doing anything helpful right now

It is certainly revealing interesting things about you. Like, in that game, you commented that pershy claimed too early, presumably because he wasn't at L-2 or something. So you'd lynch a claimed vig for claiming too early and for claiming too late? I think you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, even if that means arbitrarily changing your principles, and in this case it may not be in town's best interest.

[Iron Butterfly]

OK Joke vote over then.

I am going to claim.

I am Town "Insane Asylum Guard". For all practical purposes I am a Vanilla Townie. My role is very simple. I can save Town, in a limited fashion, a lot of problems. Certain things I can not say but you can read between the lines. You have two choices. You can lynch me as I have no problem taking one for the team if you need to verify my claim but that would be stupid or you can ....

LYNCH HOTSHOT

I feel it better and smarter to do this at beginning of game.

With a game of 28 players there must be a variety of factions and kill roles.

Now we shall see what can be mustered vote wise.

My vote stays.

[Metsfanmax]

Unfortunately I am not immediately able to read between the lines -- however I probably don't have an issue with lynching HS and then you if HS flips town, that'd be a good trade. I still would like more information but I sense that maybe you aren't willing to share it yet.

[Iron Butterfly]

Unfortunately I am not immediately able to read between the lines -- however I probably don't have an issue with lynching HS and then you if HS flips town, that'd be a good trade. I still would like more information but I sense that maybe you aren't willing to share it yet.

My role is what it says. It is not that I am unwilling in my giving of info. My role is that it is ambiguous in in what I can and can not say and open to interpretation.

Be that as it may I whole hardheartedly agree in your assessment.

I make no bones that I am expendable. Waiting to claim mid game or even being night killed would be detrimental to Town.

My claim is straight forward and in that "It is what it is."

[StorrZerg]

How does you being night killed = detrimental for town?

[degaston]

OK Joke vote over then.

I am going to claim.

I am Town "Insane Asylum Guard". For all practical purposes I am a Vanilla Townie. My role is very simple. I can save Town, in a limited fashion, a lot of problems. Certain things I can not say but you can read between the lines. You have two choices. You can lynch me as I have no problem taking one for the team if you need to verify my claim but that would be stupid or you can ....

LYNCH HOTSHOT

I feel it better and smarter to do this at beginning of game.

With a game of 28 players there must be a variety of factions and kill roles.

Now we shall see what can be mustered vote wise.

My vote stays.

Did you intend for that to be a legal vote for HotShot?

5. All ‘votes’ and ‘unvotes’ must be in bold. If they are not, they will not be tallied. (I.E. Vote: Mandy). You must first unvote and then vote to change your vote from someone. Mods may change this according to their wishes.

Assuming it is, it seems kind of early in the day for such a strong push against someone. What is your reasoning?

[Whatsausage]

Well if your role "is what it is", I see it as you are preventing someone (or multiple someone's) from escaping an asylum. I would think it would be generally bad for town for you to die, as it would allow the insane to begin acting. So I don't understand why you think you would be an acceptable loss. If my idea is correct at all, then it would seem likely that scum would kill you if you aren't lynched, as havoc would generally benefit them. This could be a scum role trying to protect himself early. Perhaps I am overanalyzing this and your role does something entirely different.

What I don't really understand is why you think hotshot should be the lynch. Is it because he is going to be gone?

Fp'd

[Iron Butterfly]

Thanks. My Bad.

VOTE HOTSHOT

@Storr.... Use your head. Your usually the cerebral logical one. Without claiming the information I have provided would have been lost.

[AladdinSane]

I am Town "Insane Asylum Guard". For all practical purposes I am a Vanilla Townie. My role is very simple. I can save Town, in a limited fashion, a lot of problems. Certain things I can not say but you can read between the lines. You have two choices. You can lynch me as I have no problem taking one for the team if you need to verify my claim but that would be stupid or you can ....

LYNCH HOTSHOT

Some thoughts and questions:

1. If you are insane, shouldn't we do the opposite of what you recommend?

2. What would an insane asylum guard try to do? Kill the asylum patients, I suspect. So, maybe Hotshot is an asylum patient that you want Town to lynch, because you are insane.

3. Perhaps also, if Hotshot is an asylum patient, he is restricted from responding in his own defense? We shall see...

4. You say we have two choices: to lynch you, or to lynch Hotshot. This is a false dichotomy: In fact, we have several other choices as well - lynching another player, or NO LYNCH.

5. Question: Are you restricted from saying why you want us to lynch Hotshot?

6. At this point, I am not inclined to vote for either you or Hotshot.

[Iron Butterfly]

Well if your role "is what it is", I see it as you are preventing someone (or multiple someone's) from escaping an asylum. I would think it would be generally bad for town for you to die, as it would allow the insane to begin acting. So I don't understand why you think you would be an acceptable loss. If my idea is correct at all, then it would seem likely that scum would kill you if you aren't lynched, as havoc would generally benefit them. This could be a scum role trying to protect himself early. Perhaps I am overanalyzing this and your role does something entirely different.

What I don't really understand is why you think hotshot should be the lynch. Is it because he is going to be gone?

Fp'd

I am just a guard with limited information. I have NO abilities. My use has run it's course. Do not over think the matter.

However perhaps there is a bigger picture I am unaware of as regard to other roles and game theme.

And as I said before if you feel it necessary to lynch me feel free but do not say you were not warned.

[Iron Butterfly]

I am Town "Insane Asylum Guard". For all practical purposes I am a Vanilla Townie. My role is very simple. I can save Town, in a limited fashion, a lot of problems. Certain things I can not say but you can read between the lines. You have two choices. You can lynch me as I have no problem taking one for the team if you need to verify my claim but that would be stupid or you can ....

LYNCH HOTSHOT

Some thoughts and questions:

1. If you are insane, shouldn't we do the opposite of what you recommend?

2. What would an insane asylum guard try to do? Kill the asylum patients, I suspect. So, maybe Hotshot is an asylum patient that you want Town to lynch, because you are insane.

3. Perhaps also, if Hotshot is an asylum patient, he is restricted from responding in his own defense? We shall see...

Have some more wine.

4. You say we have two choices: to lynch you, or to lynch Hotshot. This is a false dichotomy: In fact, we have several other choices as well - lynching another player, or NO LYNCH.

5. Question: Are you restricted from saying why you want us to lynch Hotshot?

6. At this point, I am not inclined to vote for either you or Hotshot.

[AladdinSane]

Wait, can you clarify? Are you the sane guard of the insane asylum, or the insane guard of the asylum? If the former, please ignore my previous post. "Insane asylum guard" is kinda ambiguous...

[AladdinSane]

Be ready to lose then if you are not town

This makes me slightly suspicious...it looks like an indirect way of asserting that you are Town, without actually coming right out and saying it, which would look even more suspicious. FOS @ Storr

[AladdinSane]

I am Town "Insane Asylum Guard". For all practical purposes I am a Vanilla Townie. My role is very simple. I can save Town, in a limited fashion, a lot of problems. Certain things I can not say but you can read between the lines. You have two choices. You can lynch me as I have no problem taking one for the team if you need to verify my claim but that would be stupid or you can ....

LYNCH HOTSHOT

Some thoughts and questions:

1. If you are insane, shouldn't we do the opposite of what you recommend?

2. What would an insane asylum guard try to do? Kill the asylum patients, I suspect. So, maybe Hotshot is an asylum patient that you want Town to lynch, because you are insane.

3. Perhaps also, if Hotshot is an asylum patient, he is restricted from responding in his own defense? We shall see...

Have some more wine.

4. You say we have two choices: to lynch you, or to lynch Hotshot. This is a false dichotomy: In fact, we have several other choices as well - lynching another player, or NO LYNCH.

5. Question: Are you restricted from saying why you want us to lynch Hotshot?

6. At this point, I am not inclined to vote for either you or Hotshot.

I don't think we are allowed to modify quoted posts. You inserted "Have some more wine" into my post when you quoted it.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ahh yes let the WIFOM festival begin.

You can thank me later Storr for ending the joke phase.

Time to clean my apartment (That statement has nothing to do with the game in case anyone has more theories into what I really mean)

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

-Freud

[Iron Butterfly]

It was an accident...I modded nothing. I quoted wrong. It wasn't worth the time to do it right.

[AladdinSane]

Sory, in all the eggsitement I fergot to mispel. It wont hapen agin.

[StorrZerg]

Thanks. My Bad.

VOTE HOTSHOT

@Storr.... Use your head. Your usually the cerebral logical one. Without claiming the information I have provided would have been lost.

I think you are claiming self aware miller that flips as mafia if you die. you don't have to confirm. But wink. If so that's truly a bastard role. Almost as much as a death miller. That shits dumb as rocks.


I find ib to be town for his actions.

[Metsfanmax]

Thanks. My Bad.

VOTE HOTSHOT

@Storr.... Use your head. Your usually the cerebral logical one. Without claiming the information I have provided would have been lost.

I think you are claiming self aware miller that flips as mafia if you die. you don't have to confirm. But wink. If so that's truly a bastard role. Almost as much as a death miller. That shits dumb as rocks.

It really doesn't matter what his role is, honestly. If we lynch HS and HS flips town, IB dies. It's that simple. If that happens then it doesn't even matter what IB flips when he dies, because we can't have someone around who would so firmly tell us to lynch someone that is not mafia.

I'm not going to do anything on that yet because there's plenty of D1 left. But it's so far the strongest lead we've got.

unvote

[Metsfanmax]

Although possibly IB is a Jester and is playing for a D2 win Can't rule that out in a "Surprise Mafia" game.