Waterdale Mafia Over Mafia Wins

[Anarkistsdream]

Boy... that is all really convenient.

In what way?

If I had claimed VT you could easily say the same thing. In fact its easy to say no matter what I or anyone claim.

No, because if you claimed VT you would not have mentioned the part about greg... However, that is actually what xonvinces me you are being truthful.

[The Weird One]

For the aforementioned reasons, something I should have done in my last post: vote IB

What was your reasoning for blocking gregwolf?

[Fircoal]

Boy... that is all really convenient.

In what way?

If I had claimed VT you could easily say the same thing. In fact its easy to say no matter what I or anyone claim.

Unless another townie claims a power role, you are walking on easy street... and your power was to block a newbie with absolutely no mafia experience who is now dead?

Again, though, I still believe you and think it is TWO and Fircoal...

Unless anybody else agrees though, and we get some votes on these people, then this game will be a mafia win.

Wait... Are you ask a townie to actually claim if they have a power role? Wouldn't that just bring the power roles out into the open for no good reason? What are you TRYING to do?

Your case is really weak, you don't even have much to say in response and yet you seem to push it as if it's the only possibility. Please wake up and realize you don't have it all right.

[Anarkistsdream]

When or how did I say I WANTED a townie to claim? I was emphasizing how what he said held little water. Quit tryi g to put words in my mouth, scum... especially like how you and TWO piped up together... guess that is how the night was so short, eh?

[Fircoal]

When or how did I say I WANTED a townie to claim? I was emphasizing how what he said held little water. Quit tryi g to put words in my mouth, scum... especially like how you and TWO piped up together... guess that is how the night was so short, eh?

TWO currently said nothing to you. You should stop trying to put words in other people's mouthes.

Also I am not trying to put words in your mouth. However I do note that I probably read your post incorrectly. The thing is your unless isn't really going to happen. I don't think any power role should or will claim. So we can't really say that IB is true because of lack of claim.

[Iron Butterfly]

Vote TWO

I firmly believe their is mafia on my wagon. With the game on the line there is really nothing more I can say, You either believe my claim or you do not. I will not go down with out a vote.

[JamesKer1]

Vote TWO

I firmly believe their is mafia on my wagon. With the game on the line there is really nothing more I can say, You either believe my claim or you do not. I will not go down with out a vote.

I'm with you man, that is one messed up wagon. WHY WOULD MAFIA CLAIM A POWER ROLE?

Vote TWO for adding your vote after the claim.

[spiesr]

Vote Count:
Iron Butterfly (3): new guy1, Fircoal, The Weird One
The Weird One (3): Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, JamesKer1

4 Votes required for a lynch.
Since activity has picked up and there are multiple viable lynch candidates I am extending the deadline to : November 5 11:45 MDT Feel free to wrap things up before then.

[Anarkistsdream]

Vote Count:
Iron Butterfly (3): new guy1, Fircoal, The Weird One
The Weird One (3): Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, JamesKer1

4 Votes required for a lynch.
Since activity has picked up and there are multiple viable lynch candidates I am extending the deadline to : November 5 11:45 MDT Feel free to wrap things up before then.

Okay... whoever is town on IB needs to comr off and vote TWO. This is ridiculous

[Fircoal]

Vote Count:
Iron Butterfly (3): new guy1, Fircoal, The Weird One
The Weird One (3): Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, JamesKer1

4 Votes required for a lynch.
Since activity has picked up and there are multiple viable lynch candidates I am extending the deadline to : November 5 11:45 MDT Feel free to wrap things up before then.

Okay... whoever is town on IB needs to comr off and vote TWO. This is ridiculous

I'm willing to listen, but I think more of a case for TWO to be lynched here. Does anyone have any more cases of why TWO is mafia? Also I would like to hear TWO's response.

[kgb007]

I'm willing to listen, but I think more of a case for TWO to be lynched here. Does anyone have any more cases of why TWO is mafia? Also I would like to hear TWO's response.

your vote is on IB...is your above post a typo and if it's not why is your vote still on IB then?

I'm the only one that hasn't voted and now I'm in a tough spot bc any vote I cast will hammer and I don't want to hammer town

honestly i think both wagons are kinda BS but the one on TWO more so, let's start with IB bw tho..

newguy casts the first vote on monday, he believes IB was scummy on D1, and finally links a post to Fir's case from D1 on how IB was pushing for claims and then disappeared as his case, Fir agrees and votes IB and after the claim TWO votes IB for the reasons above and not believing the roleblocker claim

it's actually a pretty genius claim if IB is scum. we've already had 2 VT claims, with no D1 lynch and pressure building in D2, another VT claim might not be enough to satisfy town, we test his claim and if we're right, we're down to 1 scum if we're wrong, it certainly doesn't help our cause but we still have our power role(s) intact

now on to the bw on TWO...

nark kicks things more than a week ago saying he's busy but come the weekend, he promises to unveil his suspicions. as i already stated i thought his one paragraph by phone (quoted at the bottom) was rather underwhelming as he runs through the lot of us, deciding who is town and who is scum by his reasoning and the game so far..that's really it for TWO's case until IB is at L1 and not trying to "go down without a vote" casts the second vote

james then (switches) his vote from nark to TWO, agreeing with IB and wondering why mafia would claim PR. go back a page james and see the safety of his claim. everyone on the TWO bw...think back to flavour spec and ask yourself, is it more likely we have just one roleblocker and no other PR or roleblocker and cop/doc or cop and doc

if i'm choosing right now i'm leaning towards lynching IB but i think james is the first person i look tmw if we lynch TWO and get it wrong, his hyper posting has ceased to exist and i don't like the way he's sat back in D2.

Doing this on my phone... sorry. Newguy and kgb both had the opportunity to hammer me and have ample justification, yet they did not, even though the repercussions would have been nearlu nonexistent, so I believe they are town. Iron Butterfly is so aggressive and nit picky, few mafia get away with that without overplaying their hand... he is town, if that is to be reasoned. James is still crazy, basically agreeing with far too many people without having TOO much new info to bring... That would most likely make him town. That leaves fir and TWO. They are old school and have been playing this for years. They are argumentative and pushy, but never truly accusatory. They nitpick other arguments and play devils advocate but never really try to start a push in any given direction. They have also had no contact through posts in this game... have they ever said anything to one another? They are also both on the site fairly often, especially around the time of night. I firmly believe at least one, if not both, is mafia... Vote: TWO

look at your reasoning for IB, if I had a PR, I wouldn't have been as aggressive pushing for claims as IB has not knowing if there's another townie PR out there, I'd be keeping a low profile for sure

are you able to provide quotes describing any of TWOs behavior? since you present the case but don't actually provide any quotes for back up

i'm not totally convinced either IB or TWO are scum, i'm starting waver a bit on nark based on his behavior today, same goes for james..

[JamesKer1]

james then (switches) his vote from nark to TWO, agreeing with IB and wondering why mafia would claim PR. go back a page james and see the safety of his claim. everyone on the TWO bw...think back to flavour spec and ask yourself, is it more likely we have just one roleblocker and no other PR or roleblocker and cop/doc or cop and doc

if i'm choosing right now i'm leaning towards lynching IB but i think james is the first person i look tmw if we lynch TWO and get it wrong, his hyper posting has ceased to exist and i don't like the way he's sat back in D2.

Notice anything different about my name color? Since being added to team CC, I've had other priorities, and I really don't want to get into a posting war with anyone and get myself lynched either.

If you want to look at me tomorrow, feel free, looks like it has been brought up multiple times throughout. However, I think that TWO has done a lot of sitting around and pointing out small things to get an argument going, but not acting on them until later so he doesn't get any blame. He's a really good player, so I'd like to call him out on that... Hoping we don't hit a townie by lynching IB, and the fact TWO hasn't spoken up yet adds to the argument... He usually does by this point.

If I had the choice, I would be dropping the hammer myself on TWO. But if you want, we can let him respond and claim VT, then someone will take off the vote and we won't get anywhere today.

[Anarkistsdream]

If I had the choice, I would be dropping the hammer myself on TWO. But if you want, we can let him respond and claim VT, then someone will take off the vote and we won't get anywhere today.

Exactly... and Fir, you have been protecting TWO the whole game... why?

Kgb, I apologize if my thoughts are underwhelming, but it is just as good if not better than anuthing you have put out...

We need to end this day ina lynch... if we don't, we will be two and three and three town against two mafia will be tough... however, I admit that if we lynch town today, the game is basically over once the mafia get their night kill

[Fircoal]

If I had the choice, I would be dropping the hammer myself on TWO. But if you want, we can let him respond and claim VT, then someone will take off the vote and we won't get anywhere today.

Exactly... and Fir, you have been protecting TWO the whole game... why?

Um.... really? Where have I protected him? Because I think I was mostly neutral to him this whole game. I honestly think that he's probably scummier than say Kbg, or new guy, but he is not as scummy as say IB, or you. The thing is I don't see any compelling case to vote him. I do agree that he is being a bit wish-washy and not really coming forward and hard with his arguments but at the same time I feel the strong pushes by your and IB are scummier are more harmful to town. If you looked at my last post, I'm not against voting for and lynching TWO, I just think of it as a lessor option than lynching IB, and one I would like to hear more from both sides before I decide.

[Fircoal]

I'm willing to listen, but I think more of a case for TWO to be lynched here. Does anyone have any more cases of why TWO is mafia? Also I would like to hear TWO's response.

your vote is on IB...is your above post a typo and if it's not why is your vote still on IB then?

It's a: I suck at grammar and writting.

IT's supposed to be: I'm willing to listen but I think there needs to be more of a case for TWO to be lynched here.

[The Weird One]

To respond to James's confusion, I already gave my reasons for not trusting it...it just seemed too convenient. That being said, I doubt that that shall be enough to magically get anyone off of my bandwagon if you weren't able to let that sink in the first time...Yes, I've been rather noncommittal the whole game with my votes, but that's because I didn't see any strong enough cases, and I didn't want to have wasted lynches. I am the Town Cop. Night one, I investigated Nark. Reasoning being that he seemed like a scummy bastard at the end of day one. No dice.

[JamesKer1]

Then let's hammer this.

Vote IB

[JamesKer1]

And I will give my explanation tomorrow... There is a good one I promise.

[Fircoal]

I think that might have been too soon....

[Anarkistsdream]

I think that might have been too soon....

[spiesr]

The people of Waterdale were in a rage. The blood of one of their had been spilled, and now they would settle for no less in return from the monsters responsible. Of course determining exactly who that was turned out not to be so straightforward. Accusations were thrown and arguments made. As the day drew to a close two men were placed up against a wall. The people were divided, which of the pair would they exact their justice upon? Eventually one man broke the deadlock. With a shout of "trust me" he grabbed one of the men and led the assembled crowd the river were they bound Iron Butterfly and tossed him in. Was his decision wrong? Well, it wasn't right.

Final Vote Count:
Iron Butterfly (4): new guy1, Fircoal, The Weird One, JamesKer1
The Weird One (2): Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly

4 Votes required for a lynch. Iron Butterfly, Town Roleblocker has been lynched.
Night 2 has begun, all action must be in by November 5 14:20 MST.

[spiesr]

The townspeople emerged from another terrifying night. A quick headcount revealed the were down another person. Fearing the worst the survivors set out to search for the absentee. What they found was quite a mess. In the town park they discovered the the public restroom blown to bits. Sifting through the wreckage they found the remains of Fircoal, who apparently chose the wrong place the seek shelter.

Fircoal, Vanilla Townie, has been killed.
With 5 alive 3 votes are required to lynch.

[new guy1]

Alright james, what was your reasoning for hammering so fast? And TWO, what were your results? I find it strange that with 2 power roles revealed, you did not die last night, but that might just be because I felt there would be max 2 power roles in this game, so it wouldnt make sense to fear a doc.

[Anarkistsdream]

James... what the hell? And to the townies on IBs wagon... I told you not to do that!

Jesus, you people suck.. now, as I have said since the damn first day...

VoTe TWO

[new guy1]

James... what the hell? And to the townies on IBs wagon... I told you not to do that!

Jesus, you people suck.. now, as I have said since the damn first day...

VoTe TWO

I would have withdrawn my vote, but by the time I was back to the game, he had been lynched.