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[StorrZerg]

Well, if falko is town as he claims, then it looks like town is pretty close to losing. If you are town, storr, then why lynch all claimed vanilla town?

Vt"s are low risk targets. Storr doesnt trust me and thinks it likely that I may shoot a valuable role based on a gut feeling they are scum. If my gut feel is wrong the cost is great. He has a point.

With great power comes great responsibility. A vig should never shoot just because he can.

yes, since he attempted to shoot 2 nights in a row.... with poor reasoning imo...

[StorrZerg]

Well, if falko is town as he claims, then it looks like town is pretty close to losing. If you are town, storr, then why lynch all claimed vanilla town?

Vt"s are low risk targets. Storr doesnt trust me and thinks it likely that I may shoot a valuable role based on a gut feeling they are scum. If my gut feel is wrong the cost is great. He has a point.

With great power comes great responsibility. A vig should never shoot just because he can.

I dunno. We orl tink it is okay fer Town to linch just becorse it can - becorse just about evrywun agrees a linch is better than no linch, even D1 wen their is not mutch to go on. Why is it diffrunt fer vigs?

think man THINK!

its possible because a lynch is done with the people. As in people have to put reasons and say to why they want someone dead. This gives information to look into the latter the game goes on. A vig doesn't have to say these things, they could be quiet about it. They alone make the choice. Thing is, there are other roles like vig too, that are not so good for town... Mafia fake claiming vig, SK, and more.

Additionally lynching someone generally forces the lynched person to claim. This gives more information. Wing did not do this, sure he "said you should claim in fear of a vig" But he never hard claimed it. and i don't buy his "softing to kill" and not claiming. It doesn't match the play style imo. If you don't want to claim vig, you don't usually hint about it.

[StorrZerg]

following up that last point.. you don't hint about it because we had just had a huge discussion about if the vig should claim. If he had claimed early, he would have been pretty believable. Thing is, he didn't. He was forced to claim latter, AND we have a real dead vig, and people seem to be ok with his killing. To me his kill targets are people that wouldn't be targeted by other powers at night, as in no watch/track/doc so it reeks more to me of a SK who is trying to stay hidden while accomplishing his goals. Secondly sk generally has to shoot, they don't have the option to shoot.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Well, if falko is town as he claims, then it looks like town is pretty close to losing. If you are town, storr, then why lynch all claimed vanilla town?

Vt"s are low risk targets. Storr doesnt trust me and thinks it likely that I may shoot a valuable role based on a gut feeling they are scum. If my gut feel is wrong the cost is great. He has a point.

With great power comes great responsibility. A vig should never shoot just because he can.

I dunno. We orl tink it is okay fer Town to linch just becorse it can - becorse just about evrywun agrees a linch is better than no linch, even D1 wen their is not mutch to go on. Why is it diffrunt fer vigs?

I know if I'm suspicious of someone and I'm vigilante especially early in the game I will shoot. Late in the game not as much unless it's necessary.

[AladdinSane]

Additionally lynching someone generally forces the lynched person to claim. This gives more information.

I'm not seeing dis. Fer a start, it's kinda irelevent if teh linchee claims or not; dey get linched, dey flip, and we know wit sertanty wot dey were. And if teh vig kills sumwun, likewize dey flip and we get eggsackly teh same info as if dey were linched.

[AladdinSane]

following up that last point.. you don't hint about it because we had just had a huge discussion about if the vig should claim. If he had claimed early, he would have been pretty believable. Thing is, he didn't. He was forced to claim latter, AND we have a real dead vig, and people seem to be ok with his killing. To me his kill targets are people that wouldn't be targeted by other powers at night, as in no watch/track/doc so it reeks more to me of a SK who is trying to stay hidden while accomplishing his goals. Secondly sk generally has to shoot, they don't have the option to shoot.

So, are you going to be pushin fer a Wing linch on D4? We need to elimminate SKs just as mutch as we need to elimminate Mafia, rite?

And if you reely tink Wing is SK, shoodent we ask Rish to jail him agin tonite, to stop him frum NKing?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Additionally lynching someone generally forces the lynched person to claim. This gives more information.

I'm not seeing dis. Fer a start, it's kinda irelevent if teh linchee claims or not; dey get linched, dey flip, and we know wit sertanty wot dey were. And if teh vig kills sumwun, likewize dey flip and we get eggsackly teh same info as if dey were linched.

Then you dont understand mafia. And you also cant justify voting Falko because he voted PTLowe if the strength of a claim has no bearng on your judgement.

[StorrZerg]

following up that last point.. you don't hint about it because we had just had a huge discussion about if the vig should claim. If he had claimed early, he would have been pretty believable. Thing is, he didn't. He was forced to claim latter, AND we have a real dead vig, and people seem to be ok with his killing. To me his kill targets are people that wouldn't be targeted by other powers at night, as in no watch/track/doc so it reeks more to me of a SK who is trying to stay hidden while accomplishing his goals. Secondly sk generally has to shoot, they don't have the option to shoot.

So, are you going to be pushin fer a Wing linch on D4? We need to elimminate SKs just as mutch as we need to elimminate Mafia, rite?

And if you reely tink Wing is SK, shoodent we ask Rish to jail him agin tonite, to stop him frum NKing?

o absolutely not. wing if he is a sk HAS to find and hit a mafia. in order for us to believe he is really town sided.

[AladdinSane]

Additionally lynching someone generally forces the lynched person to claim. This gives more information.

I'm not seeing dis. Fer a start, it's kinda irelevent if teh linchee claims or not; dey get linched, dey flip, and we know wit sertanty wot dey were. And if teh vig kills sumwun, likewize dey flip and we get eggsackly teh same info as if dey were linched.

Then you dont understand mafia. And you also cant justify voting Falko because he voted PTLowe if the strength of a claim has no bearng on your judgement.

You are twisting my werds agin - delibrately, I suspeckt. I dident say teh strenth of a claim has no baring on my judgemint. I said if sumwun get linched - i.e. dey are ded - it dozent matter wot dey claimed, becorse den we KNOW wot dey were. Same if dey get killed by a vig - wunse dey are ded, we KNOW wot dey were - woodent matter wot dey had previusly claimed.

e.g. Suspose X claims - oh, I don't know - "CPR Doc". And then he gets linched and flips "3P SK". It dozent matter wot he claimed, becorse we wood KNOW he was ackshually "3P SK". But suspose dat instead of getting linched, he got taken out by a vig: Same, he flips "3P SK" and we have eggactly teh same info about him.

[StorrZerg]

eah i agree with wing regarding you. you don't understand mafia

[degaston]

A person who is lynched may reveal valuable information that is then verified by third flip. This can't happen with a vig kill.

[degaston]

Third = their

[AladdinSane]

A person who is lynched may reveal valuable information that is then verified by third flip. This can't happen with a vig kill.

^^ third = their

My point is, enyting dey reveel dat is verified wit there flip, we get wit their flip enyway. Even if dey had kept silent, we wood get dat wen dey flip. Maybe if sumwun gave me an eggsample, I wood see wot yer orl drivin at...

[Metsfanmax]

A person who is lynched may reveal valuable information that is then verified by third flip. This can't happen with a vig kill.

^^ third = their

My point is, enyting dey reveel dat is verified wit there flip, we get wit their flip enyway. Even if dey had kept silent, we wood get dat wen dey flip. Maybe if sumwun gave me an eggsample, I wood see wot yer orl drivin at...

Well it's easy enough to see if we start with the original question: what does forcing someone to claim do? Well, an obvious example is, suppose they're mafia. If we force them to claim, they might have to burn a mod-provided fakeclaim. If we just lynch them without a claim at all, then that fakeclaim can be saved for later, which improves mafia's chances (since it is likely that some fakeclaims are much better than others).

[dakky21]

As last week, Streaker is AWOL and will return some time during this week. He does the VC's so... let's wait for him, though I also believe Falko is lynched.

can you just do a vote count. its not that hard....

Why be a co mod instead of playing if you can't even perform an official vote count?

Because this is his game. I'm learning the modding process. Before the game started I had another idea in my mind and he said that wouldn't be "mafia" but an ordinary forum game. Totally unbalanced or something like that. So he is the host, I'm just a spectator. In case he doesn't return soon, I may continue the game on my own, but as on last day, most of you said wait for him.... so we're waiting.

[StorrZerg]

As last week, Streaker is AWOL and will return some time during this week. He does the VC's so... let's wait for him, though I also believe Falko is lynched.

can you just do a vote count. its not that hard....

Why be a co mod instead of playing if you can't even perform an official vote count?

Because this is his game. I'm learning the modding process. Before the game started I had another idea in my mind and he said that wouldn't be "mafia" but an ordinary forum game. Totally unbalanced or something like that. So he is the host, I'm just a spectator. In case he doesn't return soon, I may continue the game on my own, but as on last day, most of you said wait for him.... so we're waiting.

vote count, start at day phase, look for who votes who, record it post result.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Yes we can wait but you can do a simple vote count for the day. All it requires is starting at the start of the day list anyone that was voted and who voted them. If they Unvote then you remove the vote until they place it elsewhere. You can say it's unofficial but this is honestly not how to run a mafia game as mod. You should give a vote count as often as possible withsximin time being 24 hours approximately or have someone else not in the game at least doing a count when can't be there.

[Metsfanmax]

Yes we can wait but you can do a simple vote count for the day. All it requires is starting at the start of the day list anyone that was voted and who voted them. If they Unvote then you remove the vote until they place it elsewhere. You can say it's unofficial but this is honestly not how to run a mafia game as mod. You should give a vote count as often as possible withsximin time being 24 hours approximately or have someone else not in the game at least doing a count when can't be there.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

If I wanted to leave I would exit stage left. I don't choose to do I'm here til mafia or town chooses to kill me. I informed dally how to do a vote count as well as how often it should occur since he is trying to learn how to mod. I've modded enough games in the past successfully to know when a very te count is needed especially when at a time deadline. If known ahead mod could always extend the day period to a time when they know they will be around

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Dally should be dakky. Spell check changed it as I typed on my phone.

[dakky21]

both me and Streaker have some IRL issues and 3rd mod Epitaph1 isn't cooperating as well, so just wait, that's all I can tell you at the moment

[Metsfanmax]

Well, if falko is town as he claims, then it looks like town is pretty close to losing. If you are town, storr, then why lynch all claimed vanilla town?

Vt"s are low risk targets. Storr doesnt trust me and thinks it likely that I may shoot a valuable role based on a gut feeling they are scum. If my gut feel is wrong the cost is great. He has a point.

With great power comes great responsibility. A vig should never shoot just because he can.

yes, since he attempted to shoot 2 nights in a row.... with poor reasoning imo...

This has been gnawing at me. Wing has to be smart enough to realize that a vig shot N1 is most likely to kill town, without really learning a whole lot from it. That leads me to agree that he's 3P SK rather than CPR Doc.

[StorrZerg]

@met scould be mafia cpr doc too
@met lsu has a valid concern. People modding should be doing basic things... Vote counts, ending day / starting day on time.

@dakky, obviously we would like to wait for big important things, but vote counts are doable by you, the amount of time you have taken to read and respond to comments in thread could have done a vote count 2x over.

This game really needed a separate vote thread.

[Falkomagno]

Town in this game deserve to lose. I still find it amazing that you are lynching me because a really attempt of a case, based in that I voted for ptlowe in D2, as if there is not enough claims, night actions, apples, jesters, and lies to have a more educated vote.

Scum, in the other hand, is doing quiet a good job.

I think after this game, I probably would not play mafia anymore...really frustrating to try to keep up with this shit for 70 something pages, take a longhaul plane, and after a jetlag nap, find myself lynched because the town is so lazy to try to see a decent case, and go for "yeah, im happy lynching falco or x..." without any further substance....shameless bandwagon...really frustrating.

[Iron Butterfly]

Town in this game deserve to lose. I still find it amazing that you are lynching me because a really attempt of a case, based in that I voted for ptlowe in D2, as if there is not enough claims, night actions, apples, jesters, and lies to have a more educated vote.

Scum, in the other hand, is doing quiet a good job.

I think after this game, I probably would not play mafia anymore...really frustrating to try to keep up with this shit for 70 something pages, take a longhaul plane, and after a jetlag nap, find myself lynched because the town is so lazy to try to see a decent case, and go for "yeah, im happy lynching falco or x..." without any further substance....shameless bandwagon...really frustrating.

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