Nostalgia Mafia ~ Commander wins!

[Streaker]

Yeah, what does Vio think about the doc outing himself?
Or a more general question to y'all: What happens if the doc get's killed this night? Chances are pretty good for that happening. Wouldn't we be better off with his claimed results from Night 1?

[VioIet]

I didn't ignore it edoc, in fact my two previous posts addressed that I didn't think the doctor should claim. At least not during Day 2- perhaps Day 3 would be the best time. I'm sure this game will go to Day 4 at the longest- it will most likely end after Day 3.

Let's say that hypothetically Bob is the doctor, and he protected streaker last night, and the mafia targeted streaker. Bob still doesn't know for sure that the mafia targeted streaker, because there always is that shred of doubt that the mafia might not have made a kill.

I have no idea why the mafia wouldn't have made a kill last night- unless the mafia is Fir, and he just happened to be offline during the night.
You might say that it wouldn't be likely for Fir to miss an action, but he missed pretty much every action in San Francisco, so I wouldn't put it behind him.

The mafia could have made a mistake and targeted Mandy. Mandy is not in the game, thus it would be a no kill. Now this might be far fetched, but it happened in Storytime by a very skilled mafia player.

Basically what I am trying to say is that there could have been some mistake, or inactivity to result in the mafia not killing anyone last night. And if that was indeed the case- the doctor could have even protected the mafia. Its all done at random.

Also there still is no guarantee that there is even a doctor in this setup. We have a strong hunch that there is; because of no deaths last night. But I still can't be 100% sure. There could be a cop, or both a cop and doctor.

Also lets say there is a doctor and he protected Billy, whom the mafia targeted. Then the doctor would have an idea of billy's innocence. The best thing for the doctor to do in that scenario, is to not place a vote on Billy, or try to ensure somehow that Billy is not a topic of the next bandwagon. If Bob does come out and say that Billy is a townie- then either Bob or Billy will die the next night- so it wouldn't have done much good to begin with.

Day 3 would be the perfect time for the cop and doctors to come out- because we'd most likely be in a lylo situation and/or we would have enough leads, voting patterns, etc.

[Streaker]

I think we should assume that mafia sent in a kill. There are 2 of them, and I consider it higly unlikely they both slept through the night.

On Day 1, cena managed to divert a lynch from edoc to nag. Resulting still in a TOWN casualtie. I can see cena playing a role to protect 1 townie and get another one lynched, in order to gain town's trust. That obviously worked.

Something has to happen, but for now we have some time left until Mr.Squirrell sets our new deadline.

In my mind, I see Fir and cena the 2 scummers. Fir is laying way too low, and cena hasn't even been here the entire day (after a pretty active Day 1).

IF we can't agree on hanging cena, we could switch to pressuring Fir. Any objections/remarks?

[edocsil]

I didn't ignore it edoc, in fact my two previous posts addressed that I didn't think the doctor should claim. At least not during Day 2- perhaps Day 3 would be the best time. I'm sure this game will go to Day 4 at the longest- it will most likely end after Day 3.

Let's say that hypothetically Bob is the doctor, and he protected streaker last night, and the mafia targeted streaker. Bob still doesn't know for sure that the mafia targeted streaker, because there always is that shred of doubt that the mafia might not have made a kill.

I have no idea why the mafia wouldn't have made a kill last night- unless the mafia is Fir, and he just happened to be offline during the night.
You might say that it wouldn't be likely for Fir to miss an action, but he missed pretty much every action in San Francisco, so I wouldn't put it behind him.

The mafia could have made a mistake and targeted Mandy. Mandy is not in the game, thus it would be a no kill. Now this might be far fetched, but it happened in Storytime by a very skilled mafia player.

Basically what I am trying to say is that there could have been some mistake, or inactivity to result in the mafia not killing anyone last night. And if that was indeed the case- the doctor could have even protected the mafia. Its all done at random.

Also there still is no guarantee that there is even a doctor in this setup. We have a strong hunch that there is; because of no deaths last night. But I still can't be 100% sure. There could be a cop, or both a cop and doctor.

Also lets say there is a doctor and he protected Billy, whom the mafia targeted. Then the doctor would have an idea of billy's innocence. The best thing for the doctor to do in that scenario, is to not place a vote on Billy, or try to ensure somehow that Billy is not a topic of the next bandwagon. If Bob does come out and say that Billy is a townie- then either Bob or Billy will die the next night- so it wouldn't have done much good to begin with.

Day 3 would be the perfect time for the cop and doctors to come out- because we'd most likely be in a lylo situation and/or we would have enough leads, voting patterns, etc.

Honey, we are already at lylo, assuming we lynch. And the doc could easily be killed tonight, completely ruining the chance we have to find one innocent.

Streaker, I would be perfectly fine with pressing Fir. Either that or a Vio wagon. My pseudo statistics are pretty strait forward, and while they are hinged on the assumption that the mafia sent a kill, it would be foolish to assume that it didn't happen because both of them slept through the night / couldn't be bothered to read the player list. I smell intentional misdirection on her part.

[Commander9]

WTF @ Vio. That post... doesn't make any sense.

To be fair, I can see reasons to pressure both cena, vio and Fir.

Cena - defended one townie (assuming Edoc is a townie), so the other one would be lynched and disappeared later.
Vio - hammered a townie on day 1 a bit prematurely and generally hasn't contributed much.
Fir - barely ever heard and not contributing anything.

All 3 have had quite a bit of faults and I'm generally fine with pressuring any of the 3. Probably leaning towards Cena the most, thought.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Safariguy is replacing cena. Deadline is monday. If you guys want I can prod fir too.

[Commander9]

And generally speaking, doctor has already said enough not so subtle hints so the only thing that I'd be interested in finding out is who he protected.

[Fircoal]

Fircoal was online today, and still didn't bother to make a post.

FOS Fircoal plus the Vote.

Ok yea you can look that thinnly or you can took at my activity and notice I only made 1 post everyday, and that several of my games are going into an hour to the next turn. Do suppose I'm scum in POTC also because I'm not posting anything there? I mean if I was active elsewhere on the site you'd have a case but calling me out on a day that I didn't do much of anything here. That seems like grasping.

[safariguy5]

Confirm.

Also, just looking back at Vio's post, how is this not LyLo? 6 alive, 2 scum. We mislynch, there are 5 left. Now, assuming they were paying attention and knew who claimed doctor, then nking him guarantees a win. I don't know whether this was a mistake in calculation or something worse.

Still, I'm more interested in getting chu to talk. Talking is better than submarining.

vote Fircoal

[Fircoal]

The math is pretty simple guys, you could go through it easily on your own... 6 players, 2 are scum and wont hang one of their own, and I won't hang Cena without a more substantial case then you have against him. If he is scum there are 3 people who wont vote for him, me His scum mate and himself. It take 4 to lynch. Come on now.

As for him being the reason I am alive, this one is even worse. Who were you going to hang yesterday? Me. If Cena hadn't come along and got things started on Nag I would have been dead. There really shouldn't be any question to that at all. Perhaps you would have waited till deadline, but you would have hung me if not for the wagon getting turned around on Nag.

Ok first off let’s just point out that your statement reeks of misdirection. You are one of the better players in the game. I think you know as well as I that sacrifice is a big part of playing Mafia. A Mafia team that doesn’t vote their own members ever is a pretty n00by team. If all teams did that it would be too easy to find out who the mafia are. With such a small pool of people it’s pretty likely that the scum will jump ship onto the wagon of their mate in appearance to look town-like. If they’re the only one off of it, it’d be suspicious as anything.
I’m surprised no one called you out on it yet. I guess it doesn’t affect much, but it does tell me that you are willing to go a bit beyond the truth to try to get to a desired outcome. And for that I must wonder why.

Also Cena isn’t town for helping you out. Really it just paints more of an idea that you are Cena are scum together. Maybe that’s why you’re so protective of him. Since you seem to think that scum would protect their buddies, maybe that’s what the two of you are doing. ;3

I didn't ignore it edoc, in fact my two previous posts addressed that I didn't think the doctor should claim. At least not during Day 2- perhaps Day 3 would be the best time. I'm sure this game will go to Day 4 at the longest- it will most likely end after Day 3.

Let's say that hypothetically Bob is the doctor, and he protected streaker last night, and the mafia targeted streaker. Bob still doesn't know for sure that the mafia targeted streaker, because there always is that shred of doubt that the mafia might not have made a kill.

I have no idea why the mafia wouldn't have made a kill last night- unless the mafia is Fir, and he just happened to be offline during the night.
You might say that it wouldn't be likely for Fir to miss an action, but he missed pretty much every action in San Francisco, so I wouldn't put it behind him.

The mafia could have made a mistake and targeted Mandy. Mandy is not in the game, thus it would be a no kill. Now this might be far fetched, but it happened in Storytime by a very skilled mafia player.

Basically what I am trying to say is that there could have been some mistake, or inactivity to result in the mafia not killing anyone last night. And if that was indeed the case- the doctor could have even protected the mafia. Its all done at random.

Also there still is no guarantee that there is even a doctor in this setup. We have a strong hunch that there is; because of no deaths last night. But I still can't be 100% sure. There could be a cop, or both a cop and doctor.

Also lets say there is a doctor and he protected Billy, whom the mafia targeted. Then the doctor would have an idea of billy's innocence. The best thing for the doctor to do in that scenario, is to not place a vote on Billy, or try to ensure somehow that Billy is not a topic of the next bandwagon. If Bob does come out and say that Billy is a townie- then either Bob or Billy will die the next night- so it wouldn't have done much good to begin with.

Day 3 would be the perfect time for the cop and doctors to come out- because we'd most likely be in a lylo situation and/or we would have enough leads, voting patterns, etc.

First off unless there is a ton of No Kills, and/or No Lynches, then this game isn’t gonna get to Day 4. With 7 players, none of which with bulletproof, that seems ridiculous. Second of all the reasons that you give for why there would be no kill seems half baked and really seems like you’re trying to get us to doubt the innocence of the doc. I really see no reason for anyone to try to do this but scum. Honestly a better explanation for no kill than the one you gave above is that the mafia thought they would be protected and purposely decided to do a no kill so they could do some WIFOM. That seems plausible but risky to me. However your ideas? Very unlikely.

I think we should assume that mafia sent in a kill. There are 2 of them, and I consider it higly unlikely they both slept through the night.

On Day 1, cena managed to divert a lynch from edoc to nag. Resulting still in a TOWN casualtie. I can see cena playing a role to protect 1 townie and get another one lynched, in order to gain town's trust. That obviously worked.

Something has to happen, but for now we have some time left until Mr.Squirrell sets our new deadline.

In my mind, I see Fir and cena the 2 scummers. Fir is laying way too low, and cena hasn't even been here the entire day (after a pretty active Day 1).

IF we can't agree on hanging cena, we could switch to pressuring Fir. Any objections/remarks?

I’m laying low? May I point out the above post, which notes I HAVE NOT BEEN HERE. I mean look at my overall activity; I’ve been kinda busy with stuff. All you have to do is look at my recent posts to find this out.

WTF @ Vio. That post... doesn't make any sense.

To be fair, I can see reasons to pressure both cena, vio and Fir.

Cena - defended one townie (assuming Edoc is a townie), so the other one would be lynched and disappeared later.
Vio - hammered a townie on day 1 a bit prematurely and generally hasn't contributed much.
Fir - barely ever heard and not contributing anything.

All 3 have had quite a bit of faults and I'm generally fine with pressuring any of the 3. Probably leaning towards Cena the most, thought.

You may have posted more but have you really contributed much. It seems like you’re posting sweet nothings, while Edoc tries to come up with what to do. I know I haven’t done that much but I’m not confident that you have either. I mean if you think about it, this game hasn’t gone that far really. We seem to be stuck in the main ideas. Our main arguments are based off of SCUMARINING. Only Vio is getting voted for something she DID rather than something she didn’t do. Can anyone here bring a reason why someone is scummy BESIDES scummarining? I think it’d be best if we’d take it from there.

[Fircoal]

Confirm.

Also, just looking back at Vio's post, how is this not LyLo? 6 alive, 2 scum. We mislynch, there are 5 left. Now, assuming they were paying attention and knew who claimed doctor, then nking him guarantees a win. I don't know whether this was a mistake in calculation or something worse.

Still, I'm more interested in getting chu to talk. Talking is better than submarining.

vote Fircoal

Did you not read the post I made above you? Although really that doesn't matter since while you were posting that I was preparing the big post you see above.

Also it is LyLo. Considering her statement about the doc I have a feeling that it isn't a mistake and that she's trying to trick people. I mean really in both of the scenarios she brings up it leads to something that is better for the scum if believed.

[edocsil]

Ok first off let’s just point out that your statement reeks of misdirection. You are one of the better players in the game. I think you know as well as I that sacrifice is a big part of playing Mafia. A Mafia team that doesn’t vote their own members ever is a pretty n00by team. If all teams did that it would be too easy to find out who the mafia are. With such a small pool of people it’s pretty likely that the scum will jump ship onto the wagon of their mate in appearance to look town-like. If they’re the only one off of it, it’d be suspicious as anything.
I’m surprised no one called you out on it yet. I guess it doesn’t affect much, but it does tell me that you are willing to go a bit beyond the truth to try to get to a desired outcome. And for that I must wonder why.

Let me say that 90% of the time I totally agree with you, throw your scummate under the buss to look town and kill of the town during the night. That builds the towns trust and you pick them off one by one. Te thing is we are here at lylo with no investigative roles and no dead scum. All they have to do is keep their heads down to win. For now it is just going on my gut feelings with cena/safari but things could always change.

[safariguy5]

Looking back at the action from Day 1, I come to many of the same conclusions as nag, edoc, and Commander did.

Yes, nag was being very pushy for a lynch, but this is understandable given the hard deadlines.

Yes, edocsil was being very defensive, but that's mainly because he was under the gun as well.

Yes, there were personal attacks.

However, I'm not seeing where cena defended edocsil to the point where the wagon changed from him to nag. To me it seemed more like Commander applied more defense than cena did. Really, I think nag could have warranted more discussion than just the three of them + Streaker until Vio came in with what I thought seemed a pretty opportunistic hammer with some disconnected logic about being suspicious of Fircoal. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

unvote vote VioIet

[edocsil]

Unvote, My eye is still on Vio, but we can afford no quick scum lynches.

[edocsil]

The doc needs to claim NOW so we can have at least a 50/50 shot at killing the scum we need to. This would be so much easier if we could just have some confirmed townies.

[VioIet]

Everyone is saying that this game is at lylo, and I don't really get it.

I think the fact that no one died last night, buys us more time.

4 townies, 2 scum left.

Lets say we lynch a townie- so thats 3 townies and 2 scum let- and then mafia kills a townie- then...oh okay that is lylo..nevermind.
Only way the game would continue is if the mafia once again didn't make a kill.

I think that if the doc hasn't claimed by now, he/she is not going to.
Did any of you guys ever consider that the doc may have protected him/herself, and the mafia targeted the doc, and that is why there was no kill last night? Therefore the doc doesn't have anymore information than anyone else right now.
Gosh- things really have to be spelled out.

I'm not sure what it is in my post that doesn't exactly make sense to people, as everything I mentioned in that post HAS happened before. I am not making something up out of thin air.

[safariguy5]

Everyone is saying that this game is at lylo, and I don't really get it.

I think the fact that no one died last night, buys us more time.

4 townies, 2 scum left.

Lets say we lynch a townie- so thats 3 townies and 2 scum let- and then mafia kills a townie- then...oh okay that is lylo..nevermind.
Only way the game would continue is if the mafia once again didn't make a kill.

I think that if the doc hasn't claimed by now, he/she is not going to.
Did any of you guys ever consider that the doc may have protected him/herself, and the mafia targeted the doc, and that is why there was no kill last night? Therefore the doc doesn't have anymore information than anyone else right now.
Gosh- things really have to be spelled out.

I'm not sure what it is in my post that doesn't exactly make sense to people, as everything I mentioned in that post HAS happened before. I am not making something up out of thin air.

I'm pretty sure docs cannot protect themselves in most games including C9, and I seriously doubt the mafia would WIFOM forgo a nightkill given the number of people left in the game.

[Streaker]

3 of the best suspects are Vio, Fir and cena (safari).

Cena diverted attention from edoc to Nag on Day 1. The wagon shifted, and it was Vio to hammer but only after giving a speech on keeping her vote on Fir.

In my mind, Cena (safari) and Vio are the scum. They worked together, starting a wagon and hammering all under the cover of the deadline. Also, I think they diverted attention from edoc to Nag, only to try and get edoc nightkilled .

I can also add that Vio is now playing the same strategy as Day 1. Voting on Fir, without an actual case (just the inactivity).
Then safari (previously cena) jumps on the wagon Vio is trying to get started. Again tag-teaming. safari also uses inactivity for backing his vote up.

FoS on Vio and safari
I will vote any of these 2, whichever has must chance of getting lynched.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count
vio (1) - safariguy
fircoal (1) - vio
safariguy (2) - streaker, commander

6 alive, 4 to lynch
deadline monday

[edocsil]

3 of the best suspects are Vio, Fir and cena (safari).

Cena diverted attention from edoc to Nag on Day 1. The wagon shifted, and it was Vio to hammer but only after giving a speech on keeping her vote on Fir.

In my mind, Cena (safari) and Vio are the scum. They worked together, starting a wagon and hammering all under the cover of the deadline. Also, I think they diverted attention from edoc to Nag, only to try and get edoc nightkilled .

I can also add that Vio is now playing the same strategy as Day 1. Voting on Fir, without an actual case (just the inactivity).
Then safari (previously cena) jumps on the wagon Vio is trying to get started. Again tag-teaming. safari also uses inactivity for backing his vote up.

FoS on Vio and safari
I will vote any of these 2, whichever has must chance of getting lynched.

Vio it is. Vote Vio For me it is a process of elimination. Commander has done nothing scummy. Fircoal hasn't either, except for not talking much, similar to his actions in other games. Safari/Cena saved my ass yesterday. That leaves vio.

This puts her at L-2.

[Commander9]

Vio it is. Vote Vio For me it is a process of elimination. Commander has done nothing scummy. Fircoal hasn't either, except for not talking much, similar to his actions in other games. Safari/Cena saved my ass yesterday. That leaves vio.

This puts her at L-2.

I won't vote just yet, as we've still got enough time and we don't want a quick hammer. Vio, it may be a good time for you to claim.

[edocsil]

Vio it is. Vote Vio For me it is a process of elimination. Commander has done nothing scummy. Fircoal hasn't either, except for not talking much, similar to his actions in other games. Safari/Cena saved my ass yesterday. That leaves vio.

This puts her at L-2.

I won't vote just yet, as we've still got enough time and we don't want a quick hammer. Vio, it may be a good time for you to claim.

Let me do it for her first. VT.

[Commander9]

Let me do it for her first. VT.

lol. Comon Doc, it's worth at least a shot

[edocsil]

Let me do it for her first. VT.

lol. Comon Doc, it's worth at least a shot

Whats with calling me Doc? It's like me calling you Derp (p=/= 9 but w/e) also given that it is a role here, it can be a bit confusing.

[Commander9]

Whats with calling me Doc? It's like me calling you Derp (p=/= 9 but w/e) also given that it is a role here, it can be a bit confusing.

Well, I was thinking doing that as a reference to Looney Toons, but if you don't like it, I'll stop.