Does the rest of the world really hate America?

[Dariune]

But then from the nature of your posts, your view can be, to an extent, discredited by the fact that you seem to have a problem with the uk in general.

take it from me the kettle, pot, you are so very black ...

To the contrary. I have made it very clear from start to finish of this debate and in my more recent post about pride in your country that i have no issues with Americans or America. I have issues with people like Viper for their failing grasp on reality and "We are better than you" attitude.

Perhaps you should take the time to read my posts?

Perhaps you should take the time to write posts worth reading?

And when all else fails insult the person you are debating against. That really is pathetic.

[saxitoxin]

Perhaps you should take the time to read my posts?

Perhaps you should take the time to write posts worth reading?

And when all else fails insult the person you are debating against. That really is pathetic.

Hey Dariune!

*Saxi Waves at Dariune*

If you ever got a bad mark on a paper in grade school did you jump to the top of your desk and scream loudly at the teacher "stop insulting me you old bitch!"?

You're a bit of an off-kilter one, aren't you?

Thanks, Dariune!
Uncle Saxi
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[tzor]

Reading this thread is like watching two troupes of chimpanzees fling 60 year old feces at each other.

Now really saxi, we're talking about fine, well aged, organic fertilizer here.

[saxitoxin]

Reading this thread is like watching two troupes of chimpanzees fling 60 year old feces at each other.

Now really saxi, we're talking about fine, well aged, organic fertilizer here.

*tickle tickle*

*Saxi tickles Tzor*

Tzor - ol' Sax uses only organics on his tomato garden ... have you been peeping-tom ol' Sax!!! ACK! *Sax grabs his robe to cover up* LMAO!

[jefjef]

We are the “ugly Americans” we’re always told. But to whom do you come running when you need help? Italy, France, Germany, canada or England? Hardly. Still you love to condemn and blame the US for all your problems and failures.

Perhaps the next time you need Humanitarian aid or military security you should...

[Timminz]

JefJef: an unfortunate by-product of the american empire.

[saxitoxin]

But to whom do you come running when you need help? Italy, France, Germany, canada or England?

Historically, in Germany, we would do the opposite.

Instead of waiting for people to run to us for help, we would run to people to provide help.

Often, in fact, they wouldn't even know they needed help when we started showing up. Sometimes our offers of help would take people by surprise; occasionally they'd try to resist us giving them help. But, when that happened, we'd just give them a big ol' bear hug and shoot them full of love! That's how we'd roll, gang.

PS - JJ, I thought you had everyone in this thread on ignore?

[ViperOverLord]

JefJef: an unfortunate by-product of the american empire.

It's AMERICAN EMPIRE to you. But no we are not an empire. I wish. My gas would be cheaper. I wish we did in Iraq what we are accused of. And also China and the rest of the world owns like a third of us last time I checked. It's pathetic.

[jefjef]

But to whom do you come running when you need help? Italy, France, Germany, canada or England?

Historically, in Germany, we would do the opposite.

Instead of waiting for people to run to us for help, we would run to people to provide help.

Often, in fact, they wouldn't even know they needed help when we started showing up. Sometimes our offers of help would take people by surprise; occasionally they'd try to resist us giving them help. But, when that happened, we'd just give them a big ol' bear hug and shoot them full of love! That's how we'd roll, gang.

PS - JJ, I thought you had everyone in this thread on ignore?

LOL. Very accurate portrayal of past Germany assistance. No saxi only a couple in this thread are foed.

BUT I am injured that YOU failed to notice I did not deem canada worthy of a capitalization like one would give, say, Mexico.

[the.killing.44]

As an American, I apologize for the two posters above me.

[jefjef]

As an American, I apologize for the two posters above me.

Foed. You took Vipers place. An Americans place...

And to reiterate how one stands up for his country.

We are the “ugly Americans” we’re always told. But to whom do you come running when you need help? Italy, France, Germany, canada or England? Hardly. Still you love to condemn and blame the US for all your problems and failures.

Perhaps the next time you need Humanitarian aid or military security you should...

[joecoolfrog]

We are the “ugly Americans” we’re always told. But to whom do you come running when you need help? Italy, France, Germany, canada or England? Hardly. Still you love to condemn and blame the US for all your problems and failures.

Perhaps the next time you need Humanitarian aid or military security you should...

Seriously , why on earth do you think constantly recycling the same old garbage constitutes debate

PS You stated some time back that I was foed , nice to note that you are consistent in posting crap

[Baron Von PWN]

BUT I am injured that YOU failed to notice I did not deem canada worthy of a capitalization like one would give, say, Mexico.

some of that jealousy others have been mentioning?

[joecoolfrog]

BUT I am injured that YOU failed to notice I did not deem canada worthy of a capitalization like one would give, say, Mexico.

some of that jealousy others have been mentioning?

Dunno about jealousy but all his mindless jingoism does display a glaring insecurity

[Uncle Death]

I blame the British for everything. Most of the wars the USA have been involved in were due to the British dragging us in to it because of their imperial practices. The Middle East and Muslim conflicts were brought on by British creation of borders and nations there, their manipulation of Eisenhower and the CIA to get us to depose the secular elected leader of Iran and put the Shah in his place, and their influence and support of Zionism going back to the late 1800's. Rhodes had a plan to ship all the Jews in Britain to Palestine so they would have a puppet government to control. Now they have taken a great big dump in the Gulf. The British have screwed up the world everywhere they have been and the USA has been duped in to helping them over and over.

Yes, that includes both world wars. The Brits are clever evil bastards and we Americans have been chumps.

[jefjef]

I blame the British for everything. Most of the wars the USA have been involved in were due to the British dragging us in to it because of their imperial practices. The Middle East and Muslim conflicts were brought on by British creation of borders and nations there, their manipulation of Eisenhower and the CIA to get us to depose the secular elected leader of Iran and put the Shah in his place, and their influence and support of Zionism going back to the late 1800's. Rhodes had a plan to ship all the Jews in Britain to Palestine so they would have a puppet government to control. Now they have taken a great big dump in the Gulf. The British have screwed up the world everywhere they have been and the USA has been duped in to helping them over and over.

Yes, that includes both world wars. The Brits are clever evil bastards and we Americans have been chumps.

Superb analogy and plain blunt truth! But do not forget the probs and deep hatreds French imperialism has also wrought upon the planet.

And WOW. Of the 5 posts above Uncle I only see mine. LOLOL!!!!!

[stahrgazer]

Now, the inhabitants of USA, if a generalization is “necessary” , have been characterized as a herd tending to the self indulgency, ignorance, and close eyes regarding the rest world.

Yes, but interestingly, the USA is accused of each of those at different times, depending on its present policy. for example, its initial refusal to enter WWII was self-indulgent, ignorant, and close eyes. Its entry into Korea and Vietnam were hardly self-indulgent, but could be considered ignorant... either way, it certainly wasn't close eyes. Entry into Afghanistan was similarly not self-indulgent or close-eyes, but could be ignorant. Entry into Middle East affairs (current and prior conflicts) were self indulgent to the extent that they were primarily intended to protect U.S. oil interests, but only close eyes if you disliked the effect on "innocent" people in the Middle East - which often depends on your own political or social leanings. For example, refusal to assist Israel is viewed one way, refusal to assist Gaza viewed another way, bombing Pakistan to get at probable terrorists viewed another way. And going back further and to a different part of the world, the US built the Panama Canal for its own interests; later, the political climate 'required' us to deed it back to Panama. Fair? Unfair? Smart? Depends on individual, political, and social perspectives.

Here's another example... we're "detested" for not wanting illegal immigrants (well, some of us don't) or for not just throwing open our borders to those who feel they want or need what the US has. Meanwhile, places like the Netherlands Antilles are even more selective about who is allowed in (Bon Aire, for example... you can only stay there 90 days in a year, unless you apply for permanency, which you can only get after a ton of paperwork, forking over a bond, proof of adequate health insurance and income to support yourself for at least 12 months.) I don't hear "latinos" griping about the Netherlands Antilles.. why? Because they aren't trying to GO to the Antilles.

So, if the US is being "self indulgent" in wanting to protect US citizens... so be it. If we're close eyes to the rest of the world's plight (despite 90% of our manufacturing is now over in other countries) so be it. I think it would be more ignorant to think one country can save the entire world...and as my previous lengthy post tried to indicate, the suggestion that the US did save the entire world is why the accusation of "arrogance" was merited.

[saxitoxin]

I blame the British for everything. Most of the wars the USA have been involved in were due to the British dragging us in to it because of their imperial practices. The Middle East and Muslim conflicts were brought on by British creation of borders and nations there, their manipulation of Eisenhower and the CIA to get us to depose the secular elected leader of Iran and put the Shah in his place, and their influence and support of Zionism going back to the late 1800's. Rhodes had a plan to ship all the Jews in Britain to Palestine so they would have a puppet government to control. Now they have taken a great big dump in the Gulf. The British have screwed up the world everywhere they have been and the USA has been duped in to helping them over and over.

Yes, that includes both world wars. The Brits are clever evil bastards and we Americans have been chumps.

While I am satisfied that the United States provided support to the Soviet Union to liberate my former country, Germany, I will note you are correct about the criminal bloodlust of the UK.

The Hohenzollerns and Hapsburgs had proffered surrender terms to the UK well before the US entry into WWI. The UK rejected them hoping to engineer a more thorough defeat so that they could seize German colonial possessions and so kept on fighting while using every diplomatic tactic in their arsenal to goad the US into war so that, by the time the Lusitania was sunk, there was already tinder box ready to blow.

In the inter-war period it was British enabling, cheerleading and tacit support of the Nazi cult that helped them seize power in Germany and subjugate the German people. They got a rude awakening when the dog went off its leash and attacked the master and were left running begging, hat in hand, to the United States to come save them from their "Big Mistake."

The UK has done such serious damage to the US over the centuries it is amazing the latter country tolerates Britain's continued existence now that the shoes are reversed. During the US civil war it was Britain who was on the verge of giving diplomatic recognition to the slave-owning Confederate States - only when the US activated their alliance with Russia and Emperor Alexander notified the slack-jawed Britons that he would unleash the Cossack hordes on the UK to deflower the plump pig Victoria did the dim-witted islanders back down.

Britons are a terrible, evil people reviled by everyone. Now left with nothing more than a tiny little island, where they are all crammed together shoulder-to-shoulder, they continue engineering their crimes against humanity in also-ran munchkin fashion, unleashing their criminal bloodlust on Ireland, the only country still remaining in their grip.

Thanks, gang!
Uncle Saxi
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[tzor]

Reading this thread is like watching two troupes of chimpanzees fling 60 year old feces at each other.

Now really saxi, we're talking about fine, well aged, organic fertilizer here.

*tickle tickle*

*Saxi tickles Tzor*

Tzor - ol' Sax uses only organics on his tomato garden ... have you been peeping-tom ol' Sax!!! ACK! *Sax grabs his robe to cover up* LMAO!

Why I would never do that but I do grow my tomatoes upside down (actually this is my first year so we will see what happens, the young shoots still haven't gotten the grow upside down message yet).

[saxitoxin]

Reading this thread is like watching two troupes of chimpanzees fling 60 year old feces at each other.

Now really saxi, we're talking about fine, well aged, organic fertilizer here.

*tickle tickle*

*Saxi tickles Tzor*

Tzor - ol' Sax uses only organics on his tomato garden ... have you been peeping-tom ol' Sax!!! ACK! *Sax grabs his robe to cover up* LMAO!

Why I would never do that but I do grow my tomatoes upside down (actually this is my first year so we will see what happens, the young shoots still haven't gotten the grow upside down message yet).

LOL! Everyone wants to catcha glimpse of ol' Saxi's hot bod it seems.

Annywho, I got an upside-down grow kit about a year ago but I found it difficult to manage as I have some mild arthritis in my fingers. LMK how it works out for you!

Saw this on Reuters: Britons are continuing to use the Gulf of Mexico as their personal toilet, now their rainbow prince - David Cameron - is promising he will help them flush.
http://3ara.sl.pt

I say dump it all on Milton-Keynes. It would improve the look of the place.

[Titanic]

I blame the British for everything. Most of the wars the USA have been involved in were due to the British dragging us in to it because of their imperial practices. The Middle East and Muslim conflicts were brought on by British creation of borders and nations there, their manipulation of Eisenhower and the CIA to get us to depose the secular elected leader of Iran and put the Shah in his place, and their influence and support of Zionism going back to the late 1800's. Rhodes had a plan to ship all the Jews in Britain to Palestine so they would have a puppet government to control. Now they have taken a great big dump in the Gulf. The British have screwed up the world everywhere they have been and the USA has been duped in to helping them over and over.

Yes, that includes both world wars. The Brits are clever evil bastards and we Americans have been chumps.

Looking post war: Korea (not Britain fault), Vietnam (not Britains fault), Grenada (not Britains fault), Panama (not Britains fault), Gulf War (not Britains fault), Somalia (not Britains fault), Kosovo (Blair persuaded Clinton into this, rightly), Afghanistan (not Britains fault), Iraq (definitely not Britains fault, you dragged us into this).

Strong arguament there. Btw, Britain has supported Zionism for over 100 years? You aware that there was deep anti-semitism in Britain in the early 20th century and the British government disowned the Balfour Declaration in favour of the Sykes-Picot agreement directly after WWI.

[saxitoxin]

I blame the British for everything. Most of the wars the USA have been involved in were due to the British dragging us in to it because of their imperial practices. The Middle East and Muslim conflicts were brought on by British creation of borders and nations there, their manipulation of Eisenhower and the CIA to get us to depose the secular elected leader of Iran and put the Shah in his place, and their influence and support of Zionism going back to the late 1800's. Rhodes had a plan to ship all the Jews in Britain to Palestine so they would have a puppet government to control. Now they have taken a great big dump in the Gulf. The British have screwed up the world everywhere they have been and the USA has been duped in to helping them over and over.

Yes, that includes both world wars. The Brits are clever evil bastards and we Americans have been chumps.

Looking post war: Korea (not Britain fault), Vietnam (not Britains fault), Grenada (not Britains fault), Panama (not Britains fault), Gulf War (not Britains fault), Somalia (not Britains fault), Kosovo (Blair persuaded Clinton into this, rightly), Afghanistan (not Britains fault), Iraq (definitely not Britains fault, you dragged us into this).

Strong arguament there. Btw, Britain has supported Zionism for over 100 years? You aware that there was deep anti-semitism in Britain in the early 20th century and the British government disowned the Balfour Declaration in favour of the Sykes-Picot agreement directly after WWI.

Titanic's right about the last part - former British cabinet member Lord Oswald Mosley was leading the fight against Zionism as far back as the '30's. Here's a great clip of some of his courageous campaigning from back when Britain was fronting the Nazis (before that dog bit them and they had to put it down) that exemplifies the British spirit in everything they do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeK1sCgv ... re=related

(after watching this it's only the most pedantic who would be able to say Britain is anything but the sickest, depraved, once-dangerous island in the world; this is why they are universally hated to such a searing degree that they have themselves convinced they're actually loved; the British insect is a dangerous bug that all freedom-loving peoples who yearn for a world absent racism, jingoism, nationalism and violence must ally to quash - that was ever my one hope that the EU might act as a hedge against the endemic national insanity that plagues Britons but they have allowed themselves to be infected by a country that is as "European" as Turkey)

BTW - the barbaric massacre of Serbians by the forces of global imperialism was not "right."

Thanks, gang!
Uncle S.
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[Titanic]

Titanic's right about the last part - former British cabinet member Lord Oswald Mosley was leading the fight against Zionism as far back as the '30's. Here's a great clip of some of his courageous campaigning from back when Britain was fronting the Nazis (before that dog bit them and they had to put it down) that exemplifies the British spirit in everything they do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeK1sCgv ... re=related

(after watching this it's only the most pedantic who would be able to say Britain is anything but the sickest, depraved, once-dangerous island in the world; this is why they are universally hated to such a searing degree that they have themselves convinced they're actually loved; the British insect is a dangerous bug that all freedom-loving peoples who yearn for a world absent racism, jingoism, nationalism and violence must ally to quash - that was ever my one hope that the EU might act as a hedge against the endemic national insanity that plagues Britons but they have allowed themselves to be infected by a country that is as "European" as Turkey

He was never a cabinet member. Just have to ask, why do you have such a grudge against the UK?

[tzor]

Saw this on Reuters: Britons are continuing to use the Gulf of Mexico as their personal toilet, now their rainbow prince - David Cameron - is promising he will help them flush.
http://3ara.sl.pt

Cameron, who took office in May and is under pressure domestically to stand up for the British company, is due to talk to Obama by telephone this weekend.

I would say "lots of luck." So far the great "O" has not even bothered to call the CEO of BP, do you think he will really have time to talk to some conservative chump from the has been nation of the UK? He's got his already passed healthcare agenda to promote so that his party can win in November!

[joecoolfrog]

Saw this on Reuters: Britons are continuing to use the Gulf of Mexico as their personal toilet, now their rainbow prince - David Cameron - is promising he will help them flush.
http://3ara.sl.pt

Cameron, who took office in May and is under pressure domestically to stand up for the British company, is due to talk to Obama by telephone this weekend.

I would say "lots of luck." So far the great "O" has not even bothered to call the CEO of BP, do you think he will really have time to talk to some conservative chump from the has been nation of the UK? He's got his already passed healthcare agenda to promote so that his party can win in November!

Obama Im afraid is looking like a shallow popularist , he is starting to get some bad press over here because of his xenophobic comments about BP . It has been pointed out to him that it was the greed and incompetence of US financial institutions that plunged us all into financial meltdown, so he might well be advised to stop the mud slinging.