MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

[Marvaddin]

Yes... in fact, theres no doubt about 2 mafia families... The case is, houssam was probably the last one of his group, he seemed deseperated... talking about lose, etc...

Whats strange is, why were we having just one death in the previous nights? Did they miss the night deadline? Or do we have another doctor, or something?

Andy is no more clean, I think, and mainly after continuously accusing me without a reason.

Plus, we should look in the previous pages and see if we can connect someone to wicked or houssam... Although I doubt we can connect wicked to someone, she usually plays in a completely erratic way. Im too busy to do that, however.

I suggest we all share our opinions about the alive people, so we can get a tip, maybe, or at least choose someone to lynch.

[AK_iceman]

Vote Count

• [8] Not Voting, Everyone Else

5 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch


Day Deadline: 09 Mar 2007 02:19 GMT.

[vgmmaster]

Looking back at the posts, this is what I'm currently thinking.

First of all, I don't think Houssam would have multiple kills. A mafia terrorist only has one kill. (unless the mod changes the rules).

Because of that, I think it's possible we may have a day SK.

Concerning the Nyvek nightkill, I believe that the mafia may be trying to frame me, which would actually be a smart play on their part if it works. Considering how we had the disagreement near the end of the previous day, I'm leaning toward that.

Now, the question is, who would do something like that.


AndyDufresne
Dussle
Marvaddin
moz976
Senfive
sully800
trestain
vgmmaster


From the information we have, it is basically known that vgmmaster, Sully, and Andy are townies.

Dussle is inactive, so I doubt he is mafia. Mainly for the fact that he isn't here, and I doubt he's even paying attention.

I doubt Marv would do it either because I have a feeling that he feels I'm trying to protect him to an extent.

That leaves moz, Senfive, and Trestain. Providing that there are 8 total mafia (seven are currently dead), I'm thinking it's one of these three is a mafia member. Also, there may be a day serial killer. That is unknown because we don't know if the mafia terrorist is normal, or if AK added some sort of twist to it. I would assume it would be normal.

What I'm believing though, is this. Moz may not be mafia, due to the fact that he is never around on the weekends many times to my knowledge. I believe an eye should be kept on him though.

That leaves Senfive and Trestain. I'm not sure about Senfive, but I have a strong gut feeling that Trestain is mafia. Trestain and myself have had our disagreements concerning his roleclaim, and he saw Nyvek and myself disagreeing as well. He also accused me of pointing my finger at everybody. That, and going by the x-men theory (his name is Pyro, so he's likely to be scum), the evidence is pointing against Trestain. I believe Trestain tried to frame me last night, and because of this, I believe he is mafia.

VOTE: Trestain

[trestain]

vgm we have already worked out that the x-men names are given out randomly, someone posted earlier a list of names that we know were in the game and half of them were on the wrong side. Why are you continuing this theory when it has been proved wrong.

[trestain]

I'm seeing inconsistencies with your theory. I'm not a big X-Man guru so I had to go online to check their bios. These are the named roles we have to analyze.
Beast – Protown Day Cop, correct
Cannonball – Protown Cop, correct
Husk – Protown Vanilla Mutant, correct
Iceman – Neutral Instigator, wrong
Magneto – ProTown Insane Doc, wrong
Marrow – Mafia Cop, correct
Psylocke – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Pyro – Protown Psychiatrist(claimed), wrong
Thunderbird – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Wolverine – Mafia, wrong

QFE

[vgmmaster]

vgm we have already worked out that the x-men names are given out randomly, someone posted earlier a list of names that we know were in the game and half of them were on the wrong side. Why are you continuing this theory when it has been proved wrong.

Perhaps the vote was a bit hasty.

Unvote: Trestain

SFOS: Trestain

I was on a roll, and while I meant to FOS you, I voted for you instead when I didn't intend to do so immediately.

Also, my theory has only been proven wrong with one or two names. (Mainly Thunderbird and the Iceman thing is currently an unknown). Look back at one of my recent posts, and you'll see information which may prove my theory to be correct many times. The problem is, when people look at names such as Magneto or Wolverine, they think good guy or bad guy like it's an instinct. In most cases, they would be correct, but not in all cases, which is the main reason why my theory can be backed up in most cases.

So I do view my theory as fairly accurate if that's what you're thinking. I only wish we knew the names of the most recent deaths so we could test my theory more to see if I'm still correct or if something does prove my theory wrong.

However, due to our disagreements, I do view you as the main suspect of wanting to frame me if that is the situation that happened last night. I'll let the others input their opinions though and see what they think before I revote you or vote for somebody else.

[vgmmaster]

Trestain, this is the info I'm talking about.

While this may or may not be 100% accurate, I did a little studying recetnly.

With the exception of RK and Sam Jam (role names unknown), all of the other mafia member's x-men names are or were villains of the x-men group. Trestain has claimed Pyro as his name. Pyro's affiliation is with the Brotherhood of Mutants and the Freedom Force. Both groups contain x-men villains.

However, Puff's name (Magneto) doesn't make any sense. According to my philosphy, he should be a mafia member. However, he was an insane doctor. (Take that however you want). Also, Red Bull's name was never revealed.

But, as the other mafia members have x-men villains as their name, and how Trestain's name is Pyro (an x-men villian), I believe that Trestain is mafia.

VOTE: Trestain

I'm seeing inconsistencies with your theory. I'm not a big X-Man guru so I had to go online to check their bios. These are the named roles we have to analyze.
Beast – Protown Day Cop, correct
Cannonball – Protown Cop, correct
Husk – Protown Vanilla Mutant, correct
Iceman – Neutral Instigator, wrong
Magneto – ProTown Insane Doc, wrong
Marrow – Mafia Cop, correct
Psylocke – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Pyro – Protown Psychiatrist(claimed), wrong
Thunderbird – Vanilla Mafia, wrong
Wolverine – Mafia, wrong

Is this list accurate?
Beast, Cannonball, Husk, Iceman, Psylocke, Thunderbird and Wolverine are supposed to be good guys right?
Magneto, Marrow and Pyro supposedly the bad ones?

I'm not sure what an instigator is, but I don't think he is Anti-Town. So, Iceman being innocent fits with my theory. For the others, I can prove that you're wrong.

Psylocke was a good guy for a long while, but she was evil for a short period of time. During that time, she was known as Lady Mandarin who became the Hand's assassin. Also, she was a member of the Hellfire club, a group of villians.

Wolverine normally is good. He was evil for a short period of time however. At one time he was a member of the Horsemen of the Apocolypse. During his stint there, he was the incarnation of death. Also, the HotA, was a supervillain group.

Thunderbird is a bit diffucult to place. He was a member of the Marine Corps at one time. While they aren't super villains, they were a faction of the government. And unless I'm mistaken, the government wanted to eliminate the x-men.

Magneto, was mainly evil, but a good guy for a short period of time. The time where he was an ally with the x-men was against some alien beast called the beyonder.

For Pyro, he was a villian. You say I'm wrong, but you're not correct in your statement either. Trestian claimed Psychiatrist, but he is not a confirmed Psychiatrist. Therefore, he could be lying. Moz caught my hint to that as well.

Also, my x-men theory is based off the information at wikipedia.

If you're interested in the entire post (it's a long read), you can find it on page 96.

[trestain]

yes vgm i see but all the good guys who were bad in this game that you say fit your theory have been called by there good guy names. They all had different names when they were evil and to fit your theory they would have to be called by the names they were when they were evil.

[vgmmaster]

yes vgm i see but all the good guys who were bad in this game that you say fit your theory have been called by there good guy names. They all had different names when they were evil and to fit your theory they would have to be called by the names they were when they were evil.

That is a good point, but is it necessarily true?

Even if that is how it is set-up, you have to agree on one thing. Pyro was always against the x-men. (Providing that I didn't miss some information somewhere)

[trestain]

What i am trying to show is that this theory of yours is not the way to go it has been proved wrong and you are making me suspicious by continuing to push it. Are you mafia with a good guy as your role and hoping to get everyone to believe this theory so that you won't be in the spotlight yourself

[vgmmaster]

What i am trying to show is that this theory of yours is not the way to go it has been proved wrong and you are making me suspicious by continuing to push it. Are you mafia with a good guy as your role and hoping to get everyone to believe this theory so that you won't be in the spotlight yourself

I'm not trying to say that my theory is 100% correct. I have mentioned before that one or two guys don't add up. Also, I'm using my theory mainly as a last resort. However, there is one thing I will mention. To protect him from the mafia, I won't say his name. However, one person claimed a name. According to his name and his supposed roleclaim, he is telling the truth about everything. It involves putting 2 and 2 together, but it does make sense in his situation.

[trestain]

ok then.

While we are both here what are your thoughts on what happened today?

[wicked]

I think it sucked!

[vgmmaster]

What i am trying to show is that this theory of yours is not the way to go it has been proved wrong and you are making me suspicious by continuing to push it. Are you mafia with a good guy as your role and hoping to get everyone to believe this theory so that you won't be in the spotlight yourself

I mentioned most of them already. I believe that the remaining scum killed Nyvek in an attempt to frame me providing that the kill wasn't random. If I am being framed, I believe the mafia consists of a smart player, somebody who has played before.

Concerning the terrorist, I doubt he had multiple daykills. If the daykills were a role and not just random events, then I believe it may possibly be a Day SK.

That's basically the summary of my earlier post.

[dussle]

Ok, now why do you think Houssam would kill wicked? I'm not seeing much discussion on this, now that I have room ot talk about little discussion. What happened, here?

[vgmmaster]

Ok, now why do you think Houssam would kill wicked? I'm not seeing much discussion on this, now that I have room ot talk about little discussion. What happened, here?

I'm not sure why he targeted wicked over Sully or anybody else, but him using his terrorist kill makes sense. I was in a similar situation in another game last month. Basically, Houssam more or less knew that he was going to be lynched today most likely. However, he wanted to take somebody out and die "honorably" you could say, instead of being lynched and not being helpful to his mafia team (providing he wasn't the last remaining member).

What doesn't make sense though is, why didn't he try to kill Sully (claimed doctor). My assumption is, Houssam made a noob mistake, thought the doctor couldn't be daykilled, and went for wicked. That, or he may not have been aware of Sully's claim. I don't know if that's possible though, because it's basically been annouced everywhere by everyone at this point in the game.

Also, he mentioned two evils (where Wicked was apparently one of them). Who do you think the other person was that he mentioned. I think he was referring to Andy, but I'm unsure.

[trestain]

He was accusing Andy of being the other evil, in his post where he told us he was going to kill wicked he said that Andy is a corrupt mayor.

[vgmmaster]

He was accusing Andy of being the other evil, in his post where he told us he was going to kill wicked he said that Andy is a corrupt mayor.

I noticed that after my post.

Looking back at it, it may be possible that Houssam may have a grudge against Wicked (which explains why Wicked is dead) and possibly Andy (the other evil as he mentions)

[dussle]

He was accusing Andy of being the other evil, in his post where he told us he was going to kill wicked he said that Andy is a corrupt mayor.

I noticed that after my post.

Looking back at it, it may be possible that Houssam may have a grudge against Wicked (which explains why Wicked is dead) and possibly Andy (the other evil as he mentions)

Maybe he knows. The question is how.

[trestain]

I think the question should be if he knows why would he want to help the town, we know now that he was mafia

[trestain]

how would doing what he has done help his cause to win this match?

[vgmmaster]

how would doing what he has done help his cause to win this match?

If there are 4 members for each mafia group, my guess is that Houssam's mafia group is now dead. The only reason why I'm thinking that, is because of his post where it seems like he's trying to help the town.

Perhaps, he wants to help his enemy (Town) beat his greater enemy (Wicked's mafia). A crazy idea, but a possibility.

[trestain]

I thought that, but that is just dumb and Houssam is a much better player than that. I'm not sure if he would intentionally ruin a game just to get at Wicked

[AndyDufresne]

Haha, well I've just caught up on the chaos.

So lets see. Houssam--Mafia. I thought he was for the longest time, but all his randomness made it seem like maybe he was just a confused townie.

Wicked...I didn't really think she was mafia. But I did say:

Hm, the death of Nyvek, not entirely surprising. As I thought earlier, I figured they would go for someone not so active. Nyvek did have an interesting number of recent posts, where he mostly pointed fingers at VGM, (and if you recall earlier in the thread, myself also).

Could be the death happened to make it look like he was onto something, in regards of VGM, or perhaps they thought we would think that (and thus he really was onto something). Hm, or it could've been just a safer bet, since the Mafia may have figured that we would be squabbling among each other, the more active people?

Also, take note at the interesting names that are still around, namely:
Myself (I'll include it for argument's sake)
Sully
Wicked
Moz
Houssam
Marv (perhaps)

Perhaps they are trying to keep the high profile people in, so we keep our eyes on each other, or one or more are mafia. I don't really know.


--Andy

Now I figure I was left around, because Houssam figured he toss some heat onto myself, as he's been pushing me as a Corrupt Mayor for some time. And if Wicked is not apart of his mafia, she most likely kept me around, because I kept pointing the finger at Marv and a few others, and never really suspected her until I started to see who was all left.

So right now, I think a lot of my suspicion of Marv is gone, mostly because wicked seemed to be thumbs up for it.

It is also interesting to note, I recall a few people earlier in the thread were 'sure' there wasn't more than 6 mafia in this game. I remember reading that, and I'll have to go back and find that...

I'll have a few more random thoughts soon most likely.


--Andy

[AndyDufresne]

Also AK, I want to make sure I don't miss the next vote deadline (like I did in the previous day). How long do we have?

Active Players
AndyDufresne
Dussle
Marvaddin
moz976
Senfive
sully800
trestain
vgmmaster

Hm, it'll be interesting to see the Lynch for this day, and what information it will yield. But I think the night kill will be the most interesting, as to who gets rubbed off, and why.

If I do not get lynched, I don't think I will die in the night. Because I think I may look the scummiest simply because of all the recent events about Corrupt Mayor and such. The mafia will want to keep me in most likely, as a target for the town...otherwise who else even has a hint of dirt on their character?


--Andy